Merseyrailfan
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Hopes up for 507001 last unit to go? Then?
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Well at the moment it's got the most remaining miles of the lot as far as I know. I'm sure the next one is in for overhaul now though, but off the top of my head can't remember which one it is. I am sure it was posted on this thread. 507 018 was done recently.
No more 508s to be overhauled, they'll just go to sims as and when their miles are up.
SuperLuke2334
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508111, is that still the unit expected to be preserved?
Merseyrailfan
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If any 507s/508 surprisingly get preserved(even just a vechicle), I think 507001 would be a good choice. Whilst not impossible, I think it unlikely.
Why 508111?
Is there a way to check the miles on units?
I'd take that with a pinch of salt.. it was posted somewhere online that 508111, carrying beatles livery, would be donated to the people of Merseyside if a home could be found.
No idea whether it was official, or if anybody would want to take it on and find a home for it. Seems unlikely to come to anything. Funny how its "donated" due to the livery, as I'm sure the first thing to do would be to peel it off and asses the bodywork behind it!
No idea whether it was official, or if anybody would want to take it on and find a home for it. Seems unlikely to come to anything. Funny how its "donated" due to the livery, as I'm sure the first thing to do would be to peel it off and asses the bodywork behind it!
Only for certain people in the industry who have access to those systems, I don't personally
Merseyrailfan
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507001 should be preserved.
Honestly why Does wearing a special livery get you preserved?
That not preservation.
It about heritage.
Well if you think one should be preserved, feel free to save up a few Bob to offer the leasing company for it. Then stump up another £50k or something daft to have it transported to its new home, and another few £10s of thousands to store it somewhere, and thats without upkeep/restoration costs.. plus there's not really much you can do with a preserved EMU - however this has been discussed at length elsewhere.
People keep suggesting one might end up in the proposed transport museum as part of the Dock branch regeneration, but again likely just rumours and unlikely to happen no matter how much I would love to see one saved. We are drifting off topic here though.
Merseyrailfan
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honestly a full unit is not gonna happen ,mabye a coach, even that unlikely. There is not much to honest. Take 502/503 restoration just sitting in open.
Is there a list anywhere of which ones have gone for scrap in which order? I do seem to have lost track. Bearing in mind that there were 59 units for the longest period of time, how many are left now?
Well there will shortly be an issue where with only 17 of the 53 strong 777 fleet being in the country, they will run out of new units to introduce, with new deliveries being subject to fault free running before entering service.
So it is therefore a race to get the 777s going faster than the 508s are lost. That will be interesting to watch.
Liverpool 507
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There is nothing to suggest that the 508111 preservation claims were anything other than overblown wibble. In fact, it will amongst the next few 508s to run out of miles; I believe 508111, 115, 122, 127, 128 and 138 are all candidates based on the overhaul cycle. 508111's ageing Beatles vinyls are very scruffy and it also rides terribly at present.
If one were saved, 507001 would be a much better candidate.
If one were saved, 507001 would be a much better candidate.
To be honest that hadn't even crossed my mind! Feels like they're everywhere looking at them in the sidings at Crewe and Kirkdale. This could be interesting to watch!
Vespa
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If you're going to preserve anything, it would be better to avoid what happened to some preservation organisations, try and own a warehouse building or land outright or alternatively with a large tent similar to East Anglia transport museum is using for their new tramshed, this way you won't be at the mercy of landords who wants to evict a preservation group from their property.
This will ensure long term stability of preserving if not restoration the units, rust once it sets in, is a pain to get rid of.
This will ensure long term stability of preserving if not restoration the units, rust once it sets in, is a pain to get rid of.
Merseyrailfan
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Has sims already scrapped 508123? They are very quick, seriously would not be shocked, if they have.
Was the mask vinyl an indication of next units to be scrapped. Hmmm only 508143 seem to last of mask vinyl on merseyrail trains
Was the mask vinyl an indication of next units to be scrapped. Hmmm only 508143 seem to last of mask vinyl on merseyrail trains
120 and 131 also have masks, both have been overhauled now though. 508143 was Scrapped last year.
Merseyrailfan
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Oh, I have not heard reports of 508143 being scrapped. Oh so 5 Merseyrail 508s scrapped. 1(If you don’t count 507022) 507s (507006), some more 508s to go soon I guess
Personally I wish they just retained the original headlights. Why did they get Electrostar style headlights?
They were in the past but no longer. Class 502 slowly being restored in an industrial unit in Burscough and the Class 503 finally indoors at LSL's Margate site.
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I would like to see 1 preseved in 4 coach formation ( as they were when they ended up on the southern network ) alongside 508111 which has been gifted to the people of Liverpool and will therefore survive the breakers call.
The 2nd of the trailer coaches will still be in 1 of the 455/7 units so even if they couldn't get the 2nd original trailer coach for whichever unit was selected for preservation as a 4 coach formation, a trailer coach from another unit could be added to the unit instead and the 2 driving coaches could either be used as a source of spares or vould be repaired and therefore be coupled to the trailer for when the driving coaches of the 4 coach are due for overhaul, for example if 508115 was selected to become a preserved 4 coach unit, when the driving coaches are due for heavy overhaul, the standby coaches would then become the driving coaches of the unit.
A bit of a long winded way to explain it but I got there eventually.
The 2nd of the trailer coaches will still be in 1 of the 455/7 units so even if they couldn't get the 2nd original trailer coach for whichever unit was selected for preservation as a 4 coach formation, a trailer coach from another unit could be added to the unit instead and the 2 driving coaches could either be used as a source of spares or vould be repaired and therefore be coupled to the trailer for when the driving coaches of the 4 coach are due for overhaul, for example if 508115 was selected to become a preserved 4 coach unit, when the driving coaches are due for heavy overhaul, the standby coaches would then become the driving coaches of the unit.
A bit of a long winded way to explain it but I got there eventually.
Merseyrailfan
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508111 is not guaranteed to be gifted. I rather not see it preserved. If any get preserved it will be a Class 507 likely 001.
I know they are being restored, but I mean 502 paintwork was especially rusty when it was at MoD Kineton.
Also which 508 will be next?
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Sam 76
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507004 appears to have left Southport this morning
Merseyrailfan
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Are Northern Line services biased in favour of 507s. And Wirral Line services 508s?
Sam 76
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I don’t believe so it seems to be a pretty even mix of both from experience
They used to be when the 507s were based at Hall Road, but not since that depot closed in 1997.
D821
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I'm glad you said that, I asked that question last year and was told I was talking nonsense.
Most of my Wirral line journeys nowadays are on 507s, though I did have a 508 this morning.
Statto
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Shame 508110 was scrapped & wasn't preserved, that was the unit featured in Merseyrail timetables & other stuff back in the day, here's a timetable from 1988 featuring 508110
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Merseyrail Wirral Line 031088.pdf
drive.google.com
childwallblues
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Burscough is more than just an industrial unit. It is the home of The Merseyside Transport Trust and the unit is surrounded by preserved buses.
Shame 508110 was scrapped & wasn't preserved, that was the unit featured in Merseyrail timetables & other stuff back in the day, here's a timetable from 1988 featuring 508110
Merseyrail Wirral Line 031088.pdf
IIRC 110 was the first up north, the first into Regional Rail livery, the first to be refurbished and the first to be scrapped.
It was the first to be refurbished but in fact 508142 and 143 were the first 508s to arrive from the Southern Region, whilst 508103 (IIRC) was the first 508 in Merseytravel/Reggie Rail colours; 507013 was the first of all in the new house colours in the autumn of 1991.
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