National Routeing Guide update

[paul1609]

Surely the revenue goes to the government.

Indeed but the way it goes determines who receives the management fee.

 

[infobleep]

Indeed but the way it goes determines who receives the management fee.

Interesting.

 

[kieron]

A Guilford to Southampton via Havant ticket would have to be a SWR plus connections ticket with a big revenue loss to Southern and Great Western.

I was just giving this as an example. In reality, I suspect most of the passengers (and the revenue) would go via Woking instead. There is one direct train a day via Havant (shown here* on nre.co.uk), so some may catch that instead.

While revenue distribution is a confidential matter, I wouldn't feel too bad if I knew Southern didn't get paid when someone caught a SWR train.

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[MikeWh]

Indeed but the way it goes determines who receives the management fee.

I thought the whole point of the management fee was to take away revenue risk. The fee is for running the trains and has no relation to how many people use them.

 

[Watershed]

I thought the whole point of the management fee was to take away revenue risk. The fee is for running the trains and has no relation to how many people use them.

Yes, management fees under EMAs, ERMAs and NRCs have generally been based on a percentage of overall costs, not revenue.

 

[adrock1976]

A Guilford to Southampton via Havant ticket would have to be a SWR plus connections ticket with a big revenue loss to Southern and Great Western.

I thought it would be possible to use 'SW Only" between Guildford and Southampton by changing at Hilsea (the apex of the inverted triangle - the right hand vertex is Havant, the left hand vertex is Cosham).

I think this would only work with every second train, as the Portsmouth - Southampton local all stations is every 60 minutes if I remember right.

 

[swt_passenger]

A Guilford to Southampton via Havant ticket would have to be a SWR plus connections ticket with a big revenue loss to Southern and Great Western.

In the pre-Covid timetable there was at least one Waterloo to Southampton via Guildford, Havant and Fareham though, this seems a hammer to crack a nut…

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were published in the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 29 Sep 2021 (356) to 01 Oct 2021 (357).

Easement changes:

Removed:

000008 (Local) Journeys from Hykeham to and via Newark Northgate or Newark Castle may double back from Lincoln. This easement applies in both directions.​

This easement dates back to 1997. Today, it's almost always quicker to wait for the next direct train.

Added:

700963 (Fare route) Due to rail replacement services operating between the 23 October and 01 November 2021, fares priced on (00381) VIA Todmorden will be valid on direct rail replacement services that avoid Todmorden and travel direct to Rochdale for onward train services.​

There are rail replacement buses between Burnley and Rochdale then. You don't need to travel as far as Rochdale to use a "via Todmorden" ticket on one of them, though.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were made to the routeing guide on Thursday.

Changes from 01 Oct 2021 (357) to 21 Oct 2021 (358).

Station Association changes:
Soham (SOJ) is now associated with Ely (ELY) and Stowmarket (SMK)​

Soham isn't associated with Cambridge, but that shouldn't matter as the shortest route between Soham and Cambridge by rail should be via Ely anyway.

Station link changes:
Ely (ELY) to Soham (SOJ) has been added with a distance of 4.93.
Kennett (KNE) to Soham (SOJ) has been added with a distance of 9.85.
Ely (ELY) to Kennett (KNE) has changed from 14.73 to 14.78.​

There's no distance listed in the passenger timetable between Ely and Kennet (hardly any trains stop at both), but subtracting the Ely-Bury St. Edmunds distance from the Kennett-Bury St. Edmunds one gives a distance of 15 miles.

Non-NFM64 station changes:
Soham (SOJ) now uses NFM64 fares for Kennett (KNE) (11/10/2021-)​

Trains are due to stop at Soham from 12th December, so these are steps towards enabling people to buy tickets for it. There are no fares as of yet, so there's sitll some way to go.

Easement changes:

Removed:

000017 (Manual) Journeys from Upper Warlingham and stations south of Upper Warlingham and South Croydon and beyond may go via Whyteleafe. This manual easement applies in both directions. It reflects the presence of a fixed walk time in timetable data between Upper Warlingham and Whyteleafe.​

Journeys with a walk between these two stations are still permitted, even without this easement.

700956 (Fare route) During engineering work diversions on Saturday 02 October 2021, tickets priced on fare route (00099) NOT VIA DARLINGTON, will be valid for travel on trains travelling via Darlington.​

This was a temporary easement for earlier this month.

Added:

700964 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling to Kennett from or via London Liverpool Street on tickets priced on route (00000) ANY PERMITTED may travel via Stowmarket. This routeing point easement will overcome NFM64 fares checking, and operate in both directions.​

Kennet has quite an infrequent timetable, so this enables you to change trains in Cambridge or Ipswich. Most stations in the southeast have an "any permitted" fare to Kennett, so the route restriction shouldn't cause a problem.

Soham may face a similar difficulty when that opens.

Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):

700351 (Doubleback) Customers travelling from or via Bedminster, or from or via Yate to Bromsgrove in possession of tickets routed (00000) ANY PERMITTED, (00439) XC & CONNECTIONS, (00817) VIA BRISTOL may double back via Birmingham New Street. This easement applies in both directions.​

Tickets from Bromsgrove to places southwest of Bristol tend to use "via Bristol" as a route rather than "any permitted", so that opens up a lot of the southwest. Adding journeys to Yate, and ones via Bedminster which don't go via Yate, also help.

I do notice that the "via Yate" part of this easement isn't included in the data for it.

Easement 700911 (AVANTI WEST COAST)
Customers travelling from or via Carlisle to Hunts Cross, Liverpool South Parkwa
y, Edge Hill, Liverpool Lime Street or via Liverpool Lime Street, on tickets pri
ced (00307) VIA LANCASTER, (00317) VIA PRESTON and (00452) AWC & CONNECTIONS may
travel via Crewe, Runcorn and Liverpool South Parkway. This map easement applie
s in both directions.
+ve map easement (07/05/2020-)
contain CAR CRE HNX LAN LPY OXN PNR PRE RUN WBQ WGN, do not go from to or via ACR CLY CTR HLD LPR NCL SHR SHT SOT STA SYB & go via CAR with route VIA LANCASTER (00307) VIA PRESTON (00317) AWC &CONNECTIONS (00452).

Stations:
Accrington (ACR)
Carlisle (CAR)
Chinley (CLY)
Crewe (CRE)
Chester (CTR)
Hellifield (HLD)
Hunt's Cross (HNX)
Lancaster (LAN)
Long Preston (LPR)
Liverpool South Parkway (LPY)
Newcastle (NCL)
Oxenholme Lake District (OXN)
Penrith (PNR)
Preston (PRE)
Runcorn (RUN)
Shrewsbury (SHR)
Shotton (SHT)
Stoke-On-Trent (SOT)
Stafford (STA)
Stalybridge (SYB)
Warrington Bank Quay (WBQ)
Wigan North Western (WGN)​

This is an easement where the text doesn't closely match the data provided for web sites and the like. This change means that it doesn't help with a variety of journeys which go east of Manchester or south of Crewe, and that it can't be used for journeys from or to Carlisle.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were made to the routeing guide this afternoon.

Changes from 21 Oct 2021 (358) to 03 Nov 2021 (359).

Map changes:
YL: Gain Sheffield to/from Swinton (South Yorkshire)​

I presume this is something to do with tram trains, although I don't know if they can be used as part of a rail route.

There are another 34 maps with Sheffield-Meadowhall-Swinton on them.

Easement changes:

Removed:

700947 (Map) Customers travelling to Edinburgh and beyond, whose normal route is via Newcastle and Berwick upon Tweed, may travel via Carlisle during engineering works on Saturdays between 18 September and 23 October 2021 and Sundays 19 September - 10 October 2021. This map easement applies in both directions

700957 (Map) During engineering work affecting the routes to South Wales on the weekends 09/10, 16/17, 23/24 and Sunday 31 October 2021. Customers travelling from Castle Cary, Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham to South Wales will be permitted to travel on trains via Swindon, Stroud, Gloucester and Lydney. This map easement will apply in both directions.

700963 (Fare route) Due to rail replacement services operating between the 23 October and 01 November 2021, fares priced on (00381) VIA Todmorden will be valid on direct rail replacement services that avoid Todmorden and travel direct to Rochdale for onward train services.​

These are temporary easements which only cover dates in the past.

Added:

700965 (Map) During engineering works closing the line between Sheffield and Manchester on Saturday 08 January 2022, and Sundays 09 - 23 January 2022, Trans Pennine Express services will be diverted via Swinton, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Stalybridge and Guide Bridge. This map easement will provide temporary permitted routes for journeys between or via Sheffield and Manchester that travel via Moorthorpe and Guide Bridge.​

This easement is only valid for journeys via Moorthorpe and Guide Bridge, so someone who (for instance) goes to Southport via Huddersfield and Manchester Victoria isn't covered.

It's too early for the diverted trains to appear in the timetable, so I don't know if this sort of thing will matter to anyone.

700966 (Doubleback) During engineering works closing the line between Sheffield and Manchester on Saturday 08 January 2022, and Sundays 09 - 23 January 2022, Trans Pennine Express services will be diverted via Swinton, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Stalybridge and Guide Bridge. This doubleback easement will allow doubling back through Swinton for journeys between or via Sheffield and Manchester that travel via Moorthorpe and Guide Bridge.​

This lets you double back between Swinton and Sheffield if you are using one of the diverted trains.

 

[lyndhurst25]

Some more changes were made to the routeing guide this afternoon.

Changes from 21 Oct 2021 (358) to 03 Nov 2021 (359).​

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Map changes:​

YL: Gain Sheffield to/from Swinton (South Yorkshire)​

I presume this is something to do with tram trains, although I don't know if they can be used as part of a rail route.

There are another 34 maps with Sheffield-Meadowhall-Swinton on them.

Could it be to do with the rare trains that travel from Swinton to Sheffield via Rotherham Central that also avoid Meadowhall?

e.g.

Realtime Trains - 1B97 2126 Cleethorpes to Sheffield

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[_toommm_]

Could it be to do with the rare trains that travel from Swinton to Sheffield via Rotherham Central that also avoid Meadowhall?

e.g.

Realtime Trains - 1B97 2126 Cleethorpes to Sheffield

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

That one doesn’t go via Swinton when they go via Thrybergh Jn. RTT is incorrectly adding it as a passing point. It’ll go via Swinton or via Thrybergh Jn. (Kilnhurst Loop).

 

[SargeNpton]

In the pre-Covid timetable there was at least one Waterloo to Southampton via Guildford, Havant and Fareham though, this seems a hammer to crack a nut…

Is that to retain route knowledge for engineering work diversions?

 

[Paul Kelly]

If you want to see only the passing points that are actually in the schedule data, one place to look is BR Times: https://www.brtimes.com/!train?uid=C96918&tips=on

 

[swt_passenger]

Is that to retain route knowledge for engineering work diversions?

It must help with that, but there’s always been a number of ECS moves in both directions to cover Woking/Guildford to Southampton via Havant in the Offpeak every weekday. Here’s one:

Realtime Trains - 5Y04 1032 Southampton Central to Guildford

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

There is also a Fareham starter to Waterloo via Havant in the afternoon:

Realtime Trains - 1P58 1644 Fareham to London Waterloo

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I think on the Portsmouth direct there’s been various Waterloo trains starting at Havant that came from Northam depot, rather than Fratton; (and vice versa at the end of the day):
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L57703/2021-11-04/detailed#allox_id=1

so as the above shows there’s a few other services that keep route knowledge going anyway.

 

[kieron]

Could it be to do with the rare trains that travel from Swinton to Sheffield via Rotherham Central that also avoid Meadowhall?

It's a good suggestion, but that train runs through Meadowhall as far as web sites are concerned. Tinsley South Junction is treated by web sites as if it was part of Meadowhall station, and trains which use the line which bypasses the station all pass through the junction.

Southbound tram trains leave the main line at Tinsley North Junction (which is north of Tinsley South), so wouldn't pass Meadowhall. They don't go to Sheffield station at all, so I don't think they actually are the reason for this.

As they treat trains which don't go through Meadowhall station as if they did, you probably won't be able to get an itinerary for a Doncaster-Meadowhall ticket where you use that train and then a Sheffield-Meadowhall one.

Incidentally, something similar happens with trains which don't go through Swinton, as Thrybergh Junction is treated as if it was part of the station.

 

[lyndhurst25]

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It's a good suggestion, but that train runs through Meadowhall as far as web sites are concerned. Tinsley South Junction is treated by web sites as if it was part of Meadowhall station, and trains which use the line which bypasses the station all pass through the junction.

Southbound tram trains leave the main line at Tinsley North Junction (which is north of Tinsley South), so wouldn't pass Meadowhall. They don't go to Sheffield station at all, so I don't think they actually are the reason for this.

As they treat trains which don't go through Meadowhall station as if they did, you probably won't be able to get an itinerary for a Doncaster-Meadowhall ticket where you use that train and then a Sheffield-Meadowhall one.

Incidentally, something similar happens with trains which don't go through Swinton, as Thrybergh Junction is treated as if it was part of the station.

Websites acting as if trains pass through stations that they do not do so in reality! Just shows that just because you can’t get a website to generate an itinerary, then the journey is not necessarily invalid. More importantly, that the human readable version of the NRG continues to be available for use.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were made to the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 03 Nov 2021 (359) to 05 Nov 2021 (360).​

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Permitted Route changes:​

Exeter Group (G12) to London Group (G01) gain PZ+WX​

For an any permitted ticket, this permits journeys via Wokingham and Basingstoke.

It has no effect on "via Honiton" tickets, as Honiton-London journeys already used this map combination. This isn't an option for (say) an Exmouth-London ticket.

Weymouth Group (G33) to London Group (G01) gain PZ+WX​

For an any permitted ticket, this permits journeys via Wokingham and Yeovil.

None of the tickets between Weymouth or Dorchester and London are valid on this route, but you can buy tickets to Shenfield which are.

Easement changes:​

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Added:​

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700967 (Fare route) During the Trans Pennine Express Club 55 promotion that will operate until 11 January 2022, customers with Club 55 FIRST and CLUB 55 STD tickets will be able to use the products for journeys via Manchester that normally are not permitted. For example York to Carlisle.​

The version of this easement web sites use gives this as applying to journeys which are from/to/via York and also from/to/via Carlisle. This means that it doesn't cover journeys such as Lancaster-Newcastle.

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Some more changes were made to the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 05 Nov 2021 (360) to 08 Nov 2021 (361).​

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Easement changes:​

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Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):​

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Easement 700965 (TRANSPENNINE EXPRESS)​

During engineering works closing the line between Sheffield and Manchester on Saturday 08 January 2022, and Sundays 09 - 23 January 2022, Trans Pennine Express services will be diverted via Swinton, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Stalybridge and Guide Bridge. This map easement will provide temporary permitted routes for journeys between or via Sheffield and Manchester that travel via Moorthorpe and Guide Bridge.​

+ve map easement valid on Sa (08/01/2022) or Su (09/01/2022-23/01/2022)​

contain DGT DHN GUI HUD MAN MCO MCV MIR SFD SHF SWN SYB WKF WKK & go via GUI MRP​

This means that you can use the Sheffield-Swinton-Wakefield-Huddersfield-Manchester route on the relevant dates so long as you go through Moorthorpe.

Easement 700967 (TRANSPENNINE EXPRESS)​

During the Trans Pennine Express Club 55 promotion that will operate until 11 January 2022, customers with Club 55 FIRST and CLUB 55 STD tickets will be able to use the products for journeys via Manchester that normally are not permitted. For example York to Carlisle.​

+ve fare route map easement (05/11/2021-11/01/2022)​

contain BON DGT DHN GUI HUD LDS MAN MCO MCV MIR PRE SFD SLD SYB, go from/to/via YRK & go from/to/via CAR with route TPE ONLY (00085), with ticket 55F 55S, with TOC TP​

This changes the easement from a "fare route" easement (which means that, in most respects, a "Club 55" ticket on one of the affected routes was treated as though the route was "TPE via Manchester") to a map easement (where you can travel through the listed places in addition to any a suitable map combination allows).

This adds Preston-Manchester-Leeds routes, which should be enough to permit a Carlisle-York journey. I haven't been able to find an itinerary for one of these tickets on the TPE Club 55 page, though. I don't know if they're available at booking offices or on their app.

Station list​

Bolton (BON)​

Carlisle (CAR)​

Deansgate (DGT)​

Deighton (DHN)​

Guide Bridge (GUI)​

Huddersfield (HUD)​

Leeds (LDS)​

Manchester Piccadilly (MAN)​

Manchester Oxford Road (MCO)​

Manchester Victoria (MCV)​

Mirfield (MIR)​

Moorthorpe (MRP)​

Preston (PRE)​

Salford Central (SFD)​

Salford Crescent (SLD)​

Sheffield (SHF)​

Stalybridge (SYB)​

Swinton (South Yorkshire) (SWN)​

Wakefield Westgate (WKF)​

Wakefield Kirkgate (WKK)​

York (YRK)​

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A change was published in the routeing guide this morning.

Changes from 08 Nov 2021 (361) to 11 Nov 2021 (362).

Permitted Route changes:

Dover Priory (DVP) to Stratford London Gp (G74) gain HS​

This journey previously only had mapped routes via London. It now has one which avoids London, only using HS1 between Ashford and Stratford.

This doesn't cover the shortest route to Stratford International, which is via Gravesend.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were published in the routeing guide this afternoon.

Changes from 11 Nov 2021 (362) to 18 Nov 2021 (363).

Easement changes:

Added:

700968 (Fare route) During engineering works on 20, 21, 27, 28 November 2021 and 4, 5 December 2021 impacting Lumo services, tickets priced on route (00523) LUMO & HULL TRAINS ONLY, will be valid on Lumo services to Newcastle and beyond. This fare route easement applies in both directions
+ve fare route easement valid on Sa Su (20/11/2021-05/12/2021)
contain YRK, go from KGX SVG & go to EDB MPT NCL with route LUMO & HULL ONLY (00523)
contain YRK, go from EDB MPT NCL & go to KGX SVG with route LUMO & HULL ONLY (00523)

Stations:
Edinburgh (EDB)
London King's Cross (KGX)
Morpeth (MPT)
Newcastle (NCL)
Stevenage (SVG)
York (YRK)

Route changes:

Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):

LUMO & HULL ONLY (00523) (4 records)
must not go via York (YRK)
must use Hull Trains (HT) or Lumo (LD) only​

Lumo are running to and from Doncaster rather than London on those dates. All of the diverted trains are scheduled to go through York station, whereas in the standard timetable some of them go through York Yard instead. The Hull Trains trains go via Lincoln, but this was already a permitted route.

These changes mean that customers can buy "Lumo & Hull only" tickets for any date, but will be unable to get reservations on some trains with them, and the reason for this is unlikely to be explained.

That said, there are "Lumo only" tickets at the same price. As the only places where both operators routinely stop are London and Stevenage, the lack of "Lumo & Hull only" tickets may not cause a problem for many people.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were published in the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 18 Nov 2021 (363) to 25 Nov 2021 (364).

Permitted Route changes:
Barnes (BNS) to New Malden (NEM) lose TW+WV
New Malden (NEM) to Richmond (RMD) gain SU lose WV
New Malden (NEM) to Twickenham (TWI) gain SU lose WV
Richmond (RMD) to Surbiton (SUR) gain SU lose WV
Surbiton (SUR) to Twickenham (TWI) gain SU lose WV​

These journeys now have mapped routes via Kingston.
They no longer have mapped routes via Chertsey.

Hounslow (HOU) to Surbiton (SUR) lose WV​

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Chertsey.

Twickenham (TWI) to Wimbledon (WIM) lose WX+SU​

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Hounslow, via Kingston or via London.
The only remaining mapped routes are via Clapham Junction. The shortest route from Twickenham to Wimbledon is via Kingston, so that remains a permitted route.

Map changes:
SU: Gain Kingston to/from Teddington
SU: Gain Richmond to/from Twickenham
SU: Gain Teddington to/from Twickenham
This map is used in 1860 routes.​

As things stood, SU included the line from London Waterloo to Woking, with a spur from New Malden to Kingston. This change extends the spur to Richmond.

This affects a few journeys which aren't listed above:

Barnes (BNS) to Motspur Park (MOT)
Barnes (BNS) to Raynes Park (RAY)
Barnes (BNS) to Surbiton (SUR)
Barnes (BNS) to Weybridge Group (G82)
Barnes (BNS) to Wimbledon (WIM)
Barnt Green (BTG) to Surbiton (SUR)
Motspur Park (MOT) to Willesden Junction (WIJ)
Weybridge Group (G82) to Willesden Junction (WIJ)
New Malden (NEM) to Willesden Junction (WIJ)
Raynes Park (RAY) to Willesden Junction (WIJ)
Surbiton (SUR) to Willesden Junction (WIJ)
Willesden Junction (WIJ) to Wimbledon (WIM)​

These journeys now have mapped routes via Kingston.

Brockenhurst (BCU) to Kingston (KNG)​

This journey now has mapped routes via Teddington which do not go via London.
This includes journeys via both Clapham Junction and Staines.

Kingston (KNG) to Tyseley (TYS)​

This journey now has mapped routes:
via Teddington and Chertsey; and
ones via Whitton and Hounslow which do not go via London.

Easement changes:

Added:

700969 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling to Putney from Basildon, Laindon, West Horndon, Upminster, Emerson Park, Ockendon and Chafford Hundred may go via Upminster and West Ham. This routeing point easement applies in both directions​

There is no NFM64 Upminster-Putney fare, so this provides a valid routeing point. The data has no effect on Upminster-Putney journeys as it doesn't provide a valid routeing point for Putney.

Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):

700960 (Local) (Manual) Customers travelling with tickets priced on routes (00498) AP TFW ONLYand (01000) route dot ANY PERMITTED, may not use the TransCymru bus services that operate between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth. This local easement applies in both directions​

My understanding is that changing this to a manual easement allows them to add restrictions which are not encoded in the data. I don't know if this change is responsible, but nre.co.uk now only shows a Fishguard-Machynlleth ticket as being valid on slower routes via Shrewsbury.

 

[g22]

Deleted.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were published in the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 25 Nov 2021 (364) to 01 Dec 2021 (365).​

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Easement changes:​

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Removed:​

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700513 (Local) Passengers traveling from Saxmundham and Wickham Market to Norwich may travel via Ipswich, Stowmarket and Diss. This easement applies in both directions.​

The tickets are all either "via Ipswich" or "via Lowestoft" now, so this wasn't needed.

Added:​

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700970 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling to Putney from Upminster may go via Clapham Junction. This routeing point easement applies in both directions​

This easement does for Upminster what 700969 was intended to do. It doesn't affect any routes which are permitted under the "shortest route" rule (of which there are a few), and doesn't affect Oyster or contactless journeys, but it has an effect.

700971 (Map) During weekend engineering works 8th/9th, 15th/16th, 22nd/23rd, 29th/30th January 20222 when the route between Didcot and Swindon is blocked. Customers from/via Didcot may travel via Reading and Pewsey to reach Bath Spa and beyond to Bristol and South Wales. This map easement will apply in both directions​

This creates a route from Didcot to Bristol via Reading and Newbury, but the data doesn't restrict its use to journeys from or to anywhere. That sad, the only flexible Didcot-Bath tickets are "via Swindon" ones, which wouldn't be valid this way.

700974 (Fare route) During engineering work disruption on the weekends of the 8/9, 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 January 2022. Fares priced on route (00810) NOT VIA READING from or via Didcot Parkway to Bristol and beyond are valid via Reading. This fare route easement applies in both directions​

This means that the "not via Reading" tickets offered for (say) Appleford-Bath are valid on the diverted route. In the data, this is shown as something which is valid for journeys which go via Newbury and also from/to/via Didcot.

700972 (Local) Customers travelling from Soham to Newmarket or Dullingham may travel via both Ely and Cambridge this Local easement operates in both directions​

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700973 (Doubleback) Customers travelling from Soham to Newmarket or Dullingham may travel via Bury St Edmunds. This doubleback easement applies in both directions​

Web sites treat the shortest route as being with a change at Kennett, but there's only one westbound train a day which stops at both. These easements permit you to use the better-served routes via Bury St Edmunds, and via Ely and Cambridge.

Having a look at a couple of web sites, greateranglia.co.uk only seems to show the journeys via Bury St Edmunds as being valid, whereas gwr.com only accepts those via Ely and Cambridge.

Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):​

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700964 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling to Kennett and Soham from or via London Liverpool Street on tickets priced on route (00000) ANY PERMITTED may travel via Stowmarket. This routeing point easement will overcome NFM64 fares checking, and operate in both directions.​

Tickets to Soham use the same NFM64 fares as Kennett, so they have the same limitations.

Easement 700116 (GREATER ANGLIA)​

Customers travelling from March, Manea, Kennett,Bury St Edmunds, Thurston and Elmswell to or via Ely, may travel via Cambridge. This positive local easement applies in both directions.​

+ve local easement (07/03/2011-)​

contain ELY, go from BSE ESW KNE MCH MNE SOJ TRS & go via CBG ​

contain ELY, go to BSE ESW KNE MCH MNE SOJ TRS & go via CBG​

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Stations:​

Bury St.Edmunds (BSE)​

Cambridge (CBG)​

Ely (ELY)​

Elmswell (ESW)​

Kennett (KNE)​

March (MCH)​

Manea (MNE)​

Soham (SOJ)​

Thurston (TRS)​

Soham has been added to the data for this easement, but not the text. Every train which calls at Soham also calls at Ely.

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An easement was changed today.

Changes from 01 Dec 2021 (365) to 02 Dec 2021 (366).​

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Easement changes:​

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Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):​

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700964 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling to Kennett and Soham from or via London Liverpool Street on tickets priced on route (00000) ANY PERMITTED may travel via Stowmarket. This routeing point easement will overcome NFM64 fares checking, and operate in both directions.​

Removing the route restriction means you can travel via Ipswich with "AP Greater Anglia Only" tickets to London, as well as a variety of tickets for longer journeys.

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Some more changes were made to the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 02 Dec 2021 (366) to 08 Dec 2021 (367).

Permitted Route changes:
Guildford (GLD) to New Malden (NEM) gain EF
Guildford (GLD) to Surbiton (SUR) gain EF​

These journey now has mapped routes via Claygate.

This is the shortest route from Guildford to New Malden or Surbiton, but may not be if you're travelling from Crowthorne.

Guildford (GLD) to Raynes Park (RAY) gain EF lose PD​

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Clapham Junction.

Guildford (GLD) to Wimbledon (WIM) gain EF lose PD PD+SC​

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Clapham Junction or via Sutton.

These changes made these routes more consistent with one another. Journeys from Guildford to Surbiton and New Malden now have mapped routes via Claygate and via Worplesdon, whereas ones to Raynes Park and Wimbledon also have a mapped route via Motspur Park.

Easement changes:

Added:
700975 (Routeing Point) Customers travelling from Kennett and Soham to Dullingham and Newmarket may travel via Ely and Cambridge. This routeing point easement will overcome NFM64 fares checking and apply in both directions​

For Soham, this is a "routeing point" version of the "local" easement 700972. I don't know if this easement is the reason, but greateranglia.co.uk now shows both this route and the one via Bury St Edmunds as being valid. Not every web site does, though.

700976 (Doubleback) During engineering work diversions between 27 and 31 December 2021 and Sundays 09 and 30 January 2022 Cross Country services will travel via Newport (South Wales) passing Severn Tunnel Junction twice. This doubleback easement will permit the doubleback and operate in both directions.​

The line through Bristol Parkway is closed then. A few trains will reverse just west of Severn Tunnel Junction (and so don't need an easement), but most reverse in Newport, and do. Unlike some previous easements, this is only shown as a valid route if you use Crosscountry to and from Newport.

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Easement 700971 (GWR)
During weekend engineering works 8th/9th, 15th/16th, 22nd/23rd, 29th/30th January 20222 when the route between Didcot and Swindon is blocked. Customers from/via Didcot may travel via Reading and Pewsey to reach Bath Spa and beyond to Bristol and South Wales. This map easement will apply in both directions
+ve map easement valid on Sa Su (08/01/2022-30/01/2022)
contain BPW BRI BTH DID FIT LWH NBY RDG RDW SRD TRO WSB & go from DID
contain BPW BRI BTH DID FIT LWH NBY RDG RDW SRD TRO WSB & go to DID
contain BPW BRI BTH DID FIT LWH NBY RDG RDW SRD TRO WSB & go via DID​

This restricts the data for the easement to journeys from/to/via Didcot.

700974 (Fare route) During engineering work disruption on the weekends of the 8/9, 15/16, 22/23 and 29/30 January 2022. Fares priced on routes (00810) NOT VIA READING and (00847 VIA SWINDON from or via Didcot Parkway to Bristol and beyond are valid via Reading. This fare route easement applies in both directions​

This change extends the easement to cover (for instance) Didcot-Bristol tickets.

 

[kieron]

Some more changes were published in the routeing guide yesterday.

Changes from 08 Dec 2021 (367) to 15 Dec 2021 (368).

Permitted Route changes:
London Group (G01) to Portsmouth Group (G23) lose BL+BB​

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Reading.

Easement changes:

Removed:

700968 (Fare route) During engineering works on 20, 21, 27, 28 November 2021 and 4, 5 December 2021 impacting Lumo services, tickets priced on route (00523) LUMO & HULL TRAINS ONLY, will be valid on Lumo services to Newcastle and beyond. This fare route easement applies in both directions​

This was a temporary easements, and the dates have passed.

Added:

700977 (Map) During engineering works on the 27 and 28 December 2021, customers travelling via the West London Line or starting from stations between Clapham Junction and Surbiton, travelling to destinations beyond Brockenhurst to Weymouth may travel via Effingham Junction and Havant. This map easement applies in both directions.​

There are no trains between Weybridge and Farnborough on those dates, so this gives a route which avoids the area.

One difficulty is that, if you're going from (say) Surbiton to Bournemouth, or even just to Portsmouth, the flexible through tickets all have routes of "via London", "via Clapham Junction" or "via Woking", meaning that any itinerary you get for this route would include an extra detour of some sort.

Changed (added sections in red, removed ones in green):

700971 (Map) During weekend engineering works 8th/9th, 15th/16th, 22nd/23rd, 29th/30th January 20222 when the route between Didcot and Swindon is blocked. Customers from/via Didcot may travel via Reading and Pewsey to reach Bath Spa and beyond to Bristol and South Wales. This map easement will apply in both directions​

This just corrects a typo.

 

[miklcct]

Permitted Route changes:
London Group (G01) to Portsmouth Group (G23) lose BL+BBThis journey no longer has mapped routes via Reading.

That's a shame that Paddington - Reading - Basingstoke - Portsmouth is no longer permitted.

However, searching such journeys on TrainSplit without split tickets will produce an outboundary travelcard, but the train does not stop anywhere between Reading and Paddington. How can I explain a route no longer valid to a London Terminal will be valid on an outboundary travelcard? Does the train not need to call when entering the zones?

 

[FenMan]

That's a shame that Paddington - Reading - Basingstoke - Portsmouth is no longer permitted.

However, searching such journeys on TrainSplit without split tickets will produce an outboundary travelcard, but the train does not stop anywhere between Reading and Paddington. How can I explain a route no longer valid to a London Terminal will be valid on an outboundary travelcard? Does the train not need to call when entering the zones?

The via Basingstoke - Reading route remains valid for for journeys from Portsmouth & Southsea to the BZ6 station on the line to Paddington, West Drayton, therefore the outboundary Travelcard continues to be valid travelling into Paddington. I'll leave it to the experts to advise whether the route is only valid if a call is made at West Drayton.

This route is also valid for travel from Portsmouth to Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3 (Rail Station only) via Hayes & Harlington i.e. without having to cross London or catch a bus, which will be a consideration for some travellers.

 

[Watershed]

This journey no longer has mapped routes via Reading.

Funny how this happens right after @Tazi Hupefi raises the issue of "prohibited" peak restrictions on SWR tickets between London and Portsmouth...

That's a shame that Paddington - Reading - Basingstoke - Portsmouth is no longer permitted.

However, searching such journeys on TrainSplit without split tickets will produce an outboundary travelcard, but the train does not stop anywhere between Reading and Paddington. How can I explain a route no longer valid to a London Terminal will be valid on an outboundary travelcard? Does the train not need to call when entering the zones?

The method of calculating valid routes for outboundary Travelcards was changed a couple of years ago; arguably, such a route wouldn't be valid if you just bought a ticket and then consulted the Routeing Guide to determine valid routes.

However with an itinerary from a booking engine, you are contractually permitted to follow that route.

There is never a requirement to stop at the boundary station with any kind of outboundary Travelcard. The validity of a route is not affected by whether or not you stop there.

 

[swt_passenger]

Funny how this happens right after @Tazi Hupefi raises the issue of "prohibited" peak restrictions on SWR tickets between London and Portsmouth...

It’s also odd that it only became available in recent memory, I’m fairly sure that long list that was online, that aimed to show all the relevant London Teminals for individual stations didn’t include Portsmouth Stations to Paddington.

 

[Tazi Hupefi]

The London to Portsmouth off peak return fare is regulated. The DfT instructed the SWR operator to amend the time restriction to make it compliant out of Paddington, and recognised it was a permitted route via Reading and Basingstoke only a few days ago.

If anyone is duly interested, I'd suggest one of you asks the DfT to confirm they have actually given consent for this otherwise valid route to be removed (they haven't as far as I know), because it sounds like a certain company is taking liberties with what the DfT actually told them to do.

 

[Haywain]

The London to Portsmouth off peak return fare is regulated. The DfT instructed the SWR operator to amend the time restriction to make it compliant out of Paddington, and recognised it was a permitted route via Reading and Basingstoke only a few days ago.

If anyone is duly interested, I'd suggest one of you asks the DfT to confirm they have actually given consent for this otherwise valid route to be removed (they haven't as far as I know), because it sounds like a certain company is taking liberties with what the DfT actually told them to do.

The DfT probably told SWR to sort out the problem, which they appear to have done. Don't be surprised that the DfT don't necessarily have the expertise to give clearer instructions.

 

[Tazi Hupefi]

The DfT probably told SWR to sort out the problem, which they appear to have done. Don't be surprised that the DfT don't necessarily have the expertise to give clearer instructions.

That's not correct. The DfT specifically told them to fix restriction code US to ensure departures from Paddington were compliant with fares regulation.

The DfT also, at the same time, confirmed the route was valid via Reading and Basingstoke.