New S7 Underground stock

[Peter Mugridge]

This evening, both T207 & T214 were correctly S7 on the Circle Line.

Diagram 214 first became S7 on the 14.09 departure from Hammersmith; unit 21357/8 did the honours - I know, because I was bagging it for the haulage on that run!

There were two C Stock ecs runs being made; presumably to Neasden ahead of Wednesday and Friday's scrap runs? I did not see the units on the first one - only saw it crossing onto the Met at Baker Street from the westbound H&C platform - but the second one, running under diagram 704, was formed of 5536 + 5567 + 5520 roughly an hour later.

 

[Uzair]

Video I took of S7 Stock on the District line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CgZ9IsEu3Y

Video of an Circle line S7 departing South Kensington: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg8A5odaro

 

[Domh245]

I guess it's just another example of "The District line beats the Circle line. Always"

 

[Dstock7080]

What service did the S7s form on the district line I'd imagine it ran to tower hill or was it a wimbleware?

Olympia-West Ham.
Hopefully using Parsons Green very soon.

 

[superdrive1]

Interesting to see and hear about the S7 running in passenger service on the District Line, planning to go for a London run on Friday, in expectation all the S7s on the Circle and District will just magically disappear!

 

[315804]

I will miss the D78 stock when it does eventually go... but not the C Stock from the Circle / H&C though what's really needed is new stock for the Piccadilly Line :P The D78's were only refurbed in 2006/7 :roll:

 

[Manchester77]

It's coming in the from of the 'new tube for London'

However the 1973 stock is the most reliable on the network and when the refurbished units came out of bombardier they looked brand new!

 

[ChiefPlanner]

After a long and honourable career - good by to the C69/77 stock ! - with 27 degrees in London today , they are very , very welcome.

(C stock reminds me of a Cuban car - battered , rough and workmanlike - though the refurb job has lasted well after the graffiti nadir of the late 1980's)

 

[Dstock7080]

I will miss the D78 stock when it does eventually go... The D78's were only refurbed in 2006/7 :roll:

Cosmetically, to the passenger they were refurbished, very little mechanically was done and the project was delayed by 5 years and scaled back from that originally planned with the impending S Stock getting closer.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Cosmetically, to the passenger they were refurbished, very little mechanically was done and the project was delayed by 5 years and scaled back from that originally planned with the impending S Stock getting closer.

Rode one today , after a while , and I have to say I am impressed by how well they are looking - and spotlessly clean and chipper ....

 

[Nym]

Rode one today , after a while , and I have to say I am impressed by how well they are looking - and spotlessly clean and chipper ....

Must have been a new one, I've seen a fair few in a pretty poor internal and external condition.... Neasden does seem to keep on top of the multicleans quite well at the moment though.

 

[joeykins82]

I'm just happy that the seats are really comfy

 

[Julian G]

Some recent photos:
S7 stabled at Northfields Depot
S7 at High Street Kensington Pfm 1 working a Driver Confidence run on the Circle line
S7 at Sloane Square working a Driver Confidence Run on the Circle line
S7 at Kensington (Olympia) about to work a training run to West Ham
S7 at Earl's Court after working a service from West Ham
S7 on a Circle line service at South Kensington
S7 on a District line 'Training Run' service at South Kensington

 

[southern442]

Is the High Street Kensington bay still going to be in use?

 

[Dstock7080]

Is the High Street Kensington bay still going to be in use?

The places that cannot accept S7s are:
Mansion House bay
Putney Bridge bay
Parsons Green 29 siding

 

[southern442]

The places that cannot accept S7s are:
Mansion House bay
Putney Bridge bay
Parsons Green 29 siding

Will the bays be filled in to create wider platforms or just left there?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I would have thought these bays will be very useful for engineering trains during track works.

Therefore we can expect them to all be filled in...

 

[spinba11]

Wasn't the plan for the bay platform to become the east/westbound (cant remember which) platform and the existing platform to be decommissioned

 

[southern442]

Wasn't the plan for the bay platform to become the east/westbound (cant remember which) platform and the existing platform to be decommissioned

Yes I think I heard that from somewhere

 

[Domh245]

Yes, I remember hearing that the Putney Bridge bay might eventually be converted to through running, which would involve decommissioning the current through platform, which might at least allow a slightly faster approach into the station. I'd have though it might have been beneficial to keep the current through open, and turn that into a bay, as the S stock will be able to use it, and so in times of disruption, there can be a better turnaround, as once the Cs are gone, the only turnaround point during disruption will be Parsons Green, with a bus stop not exactly designed for coping with the large loads you find during disruption, unlike Putney Bridge

 

[southern442]

Yes, I remember hearing that the Putney Bridge bay might eventually be converted to through running, which would involve decommissioning the current through platform, which might at least allow a slightly faster approach into the station. I'd have though it might have been beneficial to keep the current through open, and turn that into a bay, as the S stock will be able to use it, and so in times of disruption, there can be a better turnaround, as once the Cs are gone, the only turnaround point during disruption will be Parsons Green, with a bus stop not exactly designed for coping with the large loads you find during disruption, unlike Putney Bridge

That wouldn't be so difficult

 

[simple simon]

Would be a shame if the Mansion House platform closed, although converting the bay to a through road would be logical. Especially if done during the resignalling!

Maybe though because of the position of this station with respect of the City area its not seen to be very useful as a terminating point for trains and LU would rather not use it for this.

If the bay was converted to a through road would it then be long enough to act as a bay - albeit double ended? If so then it would form an excellent emergency refuge point for a failed train, plus a useful reversing point in case of disruption - whether to the east or the west of here.

My film of the S7 on the District line, Weds 4th Sept 2013
http://youtu.be/8wt8JKp0Jz8

Simon

 

[MCR247]

Would be a shame if the Mansion House platform closed, although converting the bay to a through road would be logical. Especially if done during the resignalling!

Maybe though because of the position of this station with respect of the City area its not seen to be very useful as a terminating point for trains and LU would rather not use it for this.

If the bay was converted to a through road would it then be long enough to act as a bay - albeit double ended? If so then it wopuld form an excellent emergency refuge point for a failed train, plus a useful reversing point in case of disruption - whether to the east or the west of here.

My film of the S7 on the District line, Weds 4th Sept 2013
http://youtu.be/8wt8JKp0Jz8

Simon

It is being converted to a through road so that one platform can close, therefore giving 2 platforms. There won't be 3

 

[Dstock7080]

Wasn't the plan for the bay platform to become the east/westbound (cant remember which) platform and the existing platform to be decommissioned

Yes, I remember hearing that the Putney Bridge bay might eventually be converted to through running

It is being converted to a through road so that one platform can close, therefore giving 2 platforms. There won't be 3

I have mentioned elsewhere on this Forum that during resignalling:
- Mansion House bay is to become the new EB platform, no reversing facilities. Platform to be realigned at east-end for extra width. Current EB abandoned.
- Putney Bridge bay is to become the new WB platform, all reversing facilities removed. Current WB abandoned.
- Tower Hill bay to be (re-)connected at east-end to both EB & WB roads to provide run-around in both directions.
- reversing crossovers lost at: Hornchurch, East Ham (replaced with WB reversal at BKG2), Bromley, Aldgate East, Mansion House, Embankment (replaced with new W-E/E-W diamond between Westminster & Embankment), South Kensington, Gloucester Road, Putney Bridge, East Putney.

 

[Muzer]

That's a lot of crossovers lost. Will this affect the future ability to tweak the services/terminate short during disruption/engineering work?

 

[swt_passenger]

There's a TfL document (link below) that describes the SSR service frequencies post full resignalling (2018) that suggests there'll normally be no planned reversals at Tower Hill either, but I've also seen no evidence so far that the bay there will be removed, unlike at Mansion House. It's basically because with 32 tph available throughout they can send the whole District service towards West Ham, rather than having to thin a few out like they do at the moment.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/04-lines-Proposed-Service-Changes.pdf

Page 11 - End state (2018) service is the relevant diagram. So it would seem Tower Hill will allow for service perturbations, but not normally be used.

 

[OxtedL]

That's a lot of crossovers lost. Will this affect the future ability to tweak the services/terminate short during disruption/engineering work?

A fair few of those on that list wouldn't be very practical to turn round trains in disruption anyway, or are close enough to other places as to not offer huge benefit in their continuing existence.

Assuming the list is final (which it might not be) and accurate:

Aldgate East is close to the remodelled Whitechapel and the proposed Tower Hill alteration, Bromley-by-Bow is close to the recent addition at West Ham.

Gloucester Road (Circle line only, I believe) would surely only ever be useful as last resort, and duplicates stuff at High St Kensington. I would question the lack of replacement facility at Mansion House were it not for the significantly more useful sounding proposal at Embankment, together with potentially more options at Tower Hill.

South Kensington also can't be very practical to use in service, although I think it's useful during Engineering works.

Hornchurch is an interesting one, but I doubt this gets a great deal of use, as with Upminster having 3 platforms there's plenty of flexibility and opportunity to make up time there.

I feel less confident about the apparent lack of options on the Wimbledon branch, though.

 

[Muzer]

Fair enough - I don't really know much about many of the London Underground track layouts, so I don't know what else exists, how much various things are used, etc.

 

[Dstock7080]

Page 11 - End state (2018) service is the relevant diagram. So it would seem Tower Hill will allow for service perturbations, but not normally be used.

Page 11 shows the peak frequency, further along is the off-peak diagram still showing 6tph reversing at Tower Hill.

 

[jopsuk]

Page 11 shows the peak frequency, further along is the off-peak diagram still showing 6tph reversing at Tower Hill.

I think the diagrams further on are the schedules that have been implemented since that document; not the 2018 end state? Including that off-peak diagram. Eg there's a peak time diagram showing Tower Hill terminators.