New Scottish COVID-19 Restrictions 07/10/2020

[kez19]

It's been reported on the "Fife jammer locations" facebook page that "there are police pulling people before Queensferry crossing from Edinburgh to Fife."

Related to the new ban on travel between level 3 and level 4 areas I wonder?

It’s very like (description wise) N Korea/S Korea like! Yet you could argue the police should be dealing with more important issues than pulling traffic over! (I wonder if public transport too is inspected?)

 

[Scotrail12]

Police could be dealing with real crime, surely?

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Police could be dealing with real crime, surely?

Turns out it was a drugs bust and the vehicles were being forensically examined. My bad.

 

[Watershed]

Also, how can Scottish law make it illegal to remain in England, where by definition, Scottish law does not apply?

The new Scottish law says it's an offence to leave Scotland with the intention of travelling to/remaining within other parts of the CTA. So it is the act of stepping out of Scotland that they are claiming to criminalise. Rather alarming that Holyrood not only feels the need to involve itself in other countries' Covid responses, but that they are (effectively) introducing legislation infringing upon other Parliaments' sovereignty to do so.

Enforcement of this will probably be as thorough as that of previous restrictions.

 

[Journeyman]

It could be enforced, though. There's no way this legislation is even remotely acceptable, and as such I will absolutely not vote for the SNP and their pet project. I don't do authoritarianism.

 

[Mag_seven]

The new Scottish law says it's an offence to leave Scotland with the intention of travelling to/remaining within other parts of the CTA. So it is the act of stepping out of Scotland that they are claiming to criminalise. Rather alarming that Holyrood not only feels the need to involve itself in other countries' Covid responses, but that they are (effectively) introducing legislation infringing upon other Parliaments' sovereignty to do so.

Enforcement of this will probably be as thorough as that of previous restrictions.

It could be enforced, though. There's no way this legislation is even remotely acceptable, and as such I will absolutely not vote for the SNP and their pet project. I don't do authoritarianism.

As I pointed out upthread, I wonder if the Scottish Executive /Parliament actually have the powers to do this under the Scotland Act 1998?

I would love to know if the powers that have been exercised here are actually allowed for in the Scotland Act 1998. Is anyone up there prepared to mount a legal challenge to all these laws and restrictions (in relation to cross border travel)?

 

[Journeyman]

As I pointed out upthread, I wonder if the Scottish Executive /Parliament actually have the powers to do this under the Scotland Act 1998?

I don't think they do - border controls are reserved. Their argument will be that public health is devolved and that's why it's being done, but it just feels to me like the SNP seeing what they can get away with...after making sure Westminster would pay for it first.

 

[Scotrail12]

Apparently our good friend Wee Nippy wants a national lockdown if people don't obey her restrictions:

Sturgeon warns of national lockdown in Scotland if travel ban is ignored

Nicola Sturgeon said she would look at introducing nationwide measures similar to those in England if the travel ban proves ineffective

inews.co.uk

A fresh national lockdown covering the whole of Scotland will have to be considered if people ignore guidance about staying in their local area, Nicola Sturgeon has warned.

The First Minister said she would look at introducing nationwide measures similar to those in England if the travel ban now in place for around four million Scots proves ineffective.

This authoritarian excuse of a human being makes me sick.

 

[island]

As I pointed out upthread, I wonder if the Scottish Executive /Parliament actually have the powers to do this under the Scotland Act 1998?

For what it’s worth, the powers exercised purport to be under the Public Health etc. Scotland act 2008 and schedule 1 to the Coronavirus Act 2020, rather than the Scotland Act 1998.

I have not looked into the extent of those powers (and nor do I intend to do so; keeping on top of England is quite enough to keep me busy).

 

[Logan Carroll]

Apparently our good friend Wee Nippy wants a national lockdown if people don't obey her restrictions:

Sturgeon warns of national lockdown in Scotland if travel ban is ignored

Nicola Sturgeon said she would look at introducing nationwide measures similar to those in England if the travel ban proves ineffective

inews.co.uk

This authoritarian excuse of a human being makes me sick.

Boris did a similar thing before the first national lockdown

I don’t know if it was a genuine attempt at bargaining or to shift the blame.

 

[kez19]

Apparently our good friend Wee Nippy wants a national lockdown if people don't obey her restrictions:

Sturgeon warns of national lockdown in Scotland if travel ban is ignored

Nicola Sturgeon said she would look at introducing nationwide measures similar to those in England if the travel ban proves ineffective

inews.co.uk

This authoritarian excuse of a human being makes me sick.

I wonder if its actually to get more furlough money? On the other regarding restrictions and obeying them hasn't she looked in her own garden recently?

I think its a general thing people are tired of it all, the rules/regulations don't make sense hence people are trying to get on in life but at same time its her rules/regulations that are destroying peoples lives/livelihoods.


ummm yes OK...

“Do not, if you live in Glasgow as I do, travel to Edinburgh to go shopping,” she said.

However Ms Sturgeon you do travel to Holyrood though right? (sure whilst you are there you may "pop in" to a shop before you head home?), come on now stop telling porkies.... or if you are Pinnochio - your nose is growing!

 

[Logan Carroll]

I wonder if its actually to get more furlough money? On the other regarding restrictions and obeying them hasn't she looked in her own garden recently?

I think its a general thing people are tired of it all, the rules/regulations don't make sense hence people are trying to get on in life but at same time its her rules/regulations that are destroying peoples lives/livelihoods.

She’s out of her depth. it’s stuff like this which proves why devolution doesn’t work.

 

[kez19]

She’s out of her depth. it’s stuff like this which proves why devolution doesn’t work.

I admit on both counts here but she is a walking disaster... ie voted for devolution and SNP (no longer vote for them anyway).

Boris did a similar thing before the first national lockdown

I don’t know if it was a genuine attempt at bargaining or to shift the blame.

However both of them are as bad as one another regardless of rules. Why do we employ these idiots? They only care for themselves, the public are now slowly being thrown under a bus whilst this lot trot around without any bother (ie break rules).

 

[Calum1]

All these new restrictions on travel and home visits how can they actually be enforced, over xmas ill be going to my friends house regardless of what she says.

First lockdown got through it ok then after the summer as more restrictions are imposed again got to a point where i think is life even worth living. I dont know how nicola stuegeon can sleep at night knowing the loneliness and untold misery she's put people through this year. I just see her as a complete fascist now.

 

[Journeyman]

Apparently our good friend Wee Nippy wants a national lockdown if people don't obey her restrictions:

Sturgeon warns of national lockdown in Scotland if travel ban is ignored

Nicola Sturgeon said she would look at introducing nationwide measures similar to those in England if the travel ban proves ineffective

inews.co.uk

This authoritarian excuse of a human being makes me sick.

You can tell exactly what will happen when the initial 3 week level 4 period runs out - level 4 nationwide.

 

[Scotrail12]

You can tell exactly what will happen when the initial 3 week level 4 period runs out - level 4 nationwide.

I'm not 100% convinced on that one as she won't want to be remembered as the politician who cancelled Christmas, that would definitely taint her legacy and I bet my life that someone like her doesn't want that. January 2021 on the other hand is when I'd be worried.

 

[Journeyman]

I'm not 100% convinced on that one as she won't want to be remembered as the politician who cancelled Christmas, that would definitely taint her legacy and I bet my life that someone like her doesn't want that. January 2021 on the other hand is when I'd be worried.

Yeah, that worries me. Interestingly enough, an opinion poll in The Guardian today says 53% of people would prefer restrictions to remain in place over Christmas to avoid a tougher lockdown later on, with 33% wanting more freedom at Christmas. Certainly I'd prefer to ride this out rather than lift everything over Christmas, and without fixating on Christmas, level 4 restrictions probably wouldn't be necessary.

I always find January absolutely brutal on my mental health, so the thought of being stuck in the house with nothing to do for the whole month fills me horror.

The legacy she wants is the one Salmond wanted and didn't get - heroically delivering independence. I despair at how this issue seems to trump all others, and won't ever go away.

 

[Butts]

Will be interesting to see how they enforce that!

They won't and we will just ignore it like we did last time !!

 

[scotrail158713]

I hate to say it but Nicola Sturgeon is displaying her love of power again. After announcing last Tuesday that Midlothian, along with East Lothian, would be moving down to tier 2 she has basically confirmed that it might not go ahead tomorrow after all. My first issue was leaving a week between the announcement and it formally happening, but now, after giving residents a week of hope, to take it away, is the ultimate display of her love of the power she has. Why say they could go down, when there was a risk it might not be able to happen?
I’ll add that whilst I’m in East Lothian, so not directly affected, I know plenty people in Midlothian who will be annoyed by this. More relevant to me, this does impact football in the area, rather annoyingly.

Questions over whether Midlothian will move to level two tomorrow

The First Minister revealed there are now concerns over Midlothian being allowed to move into tier two tomorrow as was originally planned

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon has announced that there are now question marks over whether Midlothianwill be allowed to move into tier two tomorrow as was originally planned.
Midlothian and East Lothian looked set to move down from tier three, and while Sturgeon confirmed that East Lothian will be given the go ahead, she revealed that there are now concerns over Midlothian.
The First Minister said that she will confirm the decision tomorrow and while the 'overwhelming majority' of local authorities are to remain in their current level, East Lothian will move down and Midlothian is likely to remain in level three "until the situation stabilises".
The First Minister said: "You'll recall that last week we indicated that East Lothian and Midlothian, if there was no deterioration in their positions, would from tomorrow move down from level 3 to level 2."
"I can confirm that this will go ahead for East Lothian however the National Incident Management Team has expressed some concern this morning about a rise in cases and test positivity over the last few days in Midlothian.
"We'll be considering this further this afternoon and we'll confirm the position in relation to Midlothian later."
”It may be that Midlothian remains at level 3 for a bit longer, until the situation stabilises. While, if that is the decision, I know that will be disappointing, it is better than moving the area down a level only to possibly have to move it back up again in a week's time."

 

[Journeyman]

Agreed, the way this is all being handled is a nightmare. I'm furious that West Lothian was thrown into level 4 with no hint it was coming, and who knows how long we'll stay here?

 

[scotrail158713]

Agreed, the way this is all being handled is a nightmare. I'm furious that West Lothian was thrown into level 4 with no hint it was coming, and who knows how long we'll stay here?

The bit that confuses me most about it is the reasoning behind it is “infections have risen in the last week”. That happened in Glasgow for 2 months before action was taken, whilst Midlothian has followed Aberdeen in having action taken immediately after a small increase.

 

[Journeyman]

The bit that confuses me most about it is the reasoning behind it is “infections have risen in the last week”. That happened in Glasgow for 2 months before action was taken, whilst Midlothian has followed Aberdeen in having action taken immediately after a small increase.

Glasgow is an SNP stronghold. Aberdeen and Midlothian aren't.

 

[greyman42]

Glasgow is an SNP stronghold. Aberdeen and Midlothian aren't.

Let's hope the people of Aberdeen and Midlothian remember this.

 

[kez19]

Glasgow is an SNP stronghold. Aberdeen and Midlothian aren't.

It’s not political as she would say, I agree in regards of handling, I see for where I am still in level 3.

The bit that confuses me most about it is the reasoning behind it is “infections have risen in the last week”. That happened in Glasgow for 2 months before action was taken, whilst Midlothian has followed Aberdeen in having action taken immediately after a small increase.

If I remember correctly this was similar to what was said about the Tayside area, but nothing else has came to pass (apart from staying in level 3 as far as I can see from the Scot Gov site).

I noticed on there it seems the ones on the west coast to Stirling on Level 4 to 11 December

 

[scotrail158713]

Glasgow is an SNP stronghold. Aberdeen and Midlothian aren't.

Yep, I suppose sadly that’s all it comes down to.

Let's hope the people of Aberdeen and Midlothian remember this.

As I said earlier, I’m in East Lothian but I’ll still remember it next May. I hope others will as well.

 

[route101]

Anyone seen any or heard of enforcement of the travel restrictions in tier 4?

 

[Huntergreed]

Anyone seen any or heard of enforcement of the travel restrictions in tier 4?

I’ve travelled out of Central and Queen Street a few times since Friday. No issues whatsoever.

 

[Scotrail314209]

East Lothian being put down to Tier 2. Midlothian remaining at Tier 3. A particular watch is being kept on Clackmannanshire as well as Perth & Kinross, Aberdeenshire and Aberdeen City are also being watched but it is not a cause for concern.

Everywhere else, relatively no change

 

[packermac]

She’s out of her depth. it’s stuff like this which proves why devolution doesn’t work.

Obviously the public do not think so as last week it was reported from various polls that the percentage now in favour of independence has shot up off the back of her handling of the Covid issue.

 

[Journeyman]

Obviously the public do not think so as last week it was reported from various polls that the percentage now in favour of independence has shot up off the back of her handling of the Covid issue.

I find this profoundly depressing. Funny how she's only put anywhere up to level 4 after getting Westminster to pay for it. Try doing that if we were independent.