New Scottish COVID-19 Restrictions 07/10/2020

[HSTEd]

Well it will be fun running the Scottish elections under restrictions.

No doubt all political rallies and the like will be banned, but she will continue giving daily speeches that the BBC will be required to broadcast.

 

[johnnychips]

@bramling. Full masks to all the mystic megs who predicted Scotland’s system would just have to different to England’s. She just couldn’t bear to have something the same, could she?!

Excellent Freudian slip. If you did intend it, it made me laugh.

 

[bramling]

Excellent Freudian slip. If you did intend it, it made me laugh.

Wasn’t intended as it happens, but perhaps the predictive text was trying to raise a smile?!

 

[duncanp]

Yet thats all they holding out for.... a vaccine, clearly they have forgotten with other viruses out there life ran normal but with this lets put everything on hold.

I wonder at Christmas how many of her own politicians will break the law? Again expect a slapped wrist for politicians but expect a fine for the public (it needs to stop all this)

And if a Scottish Tory or Labour politician was caught out travelling on a train whilst waiting for the results of a test, or after having tested positive, you can bet that Saint Nicola would be all over the TV, newspapers and social media like a rash demanding that the politician be sacked or resign.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

And if a Scottish Tory or Labour politician was caught out travelling on a train whilst waiting for the results of a test, or after having tested positive, you can bet that Saint Nicola would be all over the TV, newspapers and social media like a rash demanding that the politician be sacked or resign.

Nicola Sturgeon HAS repeatedly demanded that Margaret Ferrier quits as an MP (as have several other SNP MPs and MSPs)
Margaret Ferrier is currently suspended by the SNP pending conclusion of their internal disciplinary procedure.

If Ferrier does not quit as an MP the only way to get shot of her is at the next UK General Election or my a recall petition from her cosntitustents

 

[kez19]

Nicola Sturgeon HAS repeatedly demanded that Margaret Ferrier quits as an MP (as have several other SNP MPs and MSPs)
Margaret Ferrier is currently suspended by the SNP pending conclusion of their internal disciplinary procedure.

If Ferrier does not quit as an MP the only way to get shot of her is at the next UK General Election or my a recall petition from her cosntitustents

I read supposedly she is standing as an independent so if I am right to say, she is suspended by SNP but is able to run as an independent? If that was the case I believe changes should be made about it but I doubt it won’t

And if a Scottish Tory or Labour politician was caught out travelling on a train whilst waiting for the results of a test, or after having tested positive, you can bet that Saint Nicola would be all over the TV, newspapers and social media like a rash demanding that the politician be sacked or resign.

Yet the media bark like dogs on other politicians but come SNP it’s let’s raise a little hell than the story disappears without a whimper

 

[317 forever]

I see Nicola has introduced a five tier system in Scotland and even more confusing they are numbered 0 to 4

She must have drawn inspiration from the railways, where at some stations a new platform has been numbered platform 0.

 

[duncanp]

She must have drawn inspiration from the railways, where at some stations a new platform has been numbered platform 0.

But I bet when it is announced next week which areas are going to go in which tier, there are no areas in Tier 0 or Tier 4.

So the system will, to all intents and purposes, the same as that for England, although Nicola Sturgeon would never admit that.

 

[Ian Cunningham]

But I bet when it is announced next week which areas are going to go in which tier, there are no areas in Tier 0 or Tier 4.

So the system will, to all intents and purposes, the same as that for England, although Nicola Sturgeon would never admit that.

Levels 1-3 are deliberately designated to be broadly similar to Tier 1-3 in England so there is some continuity with England.
Tier 4 is borderline full lockdown and no areas in Scotland are currently deemed to be needing that level of intervention.
The additional 2 levels at least give a structure for lower and higher restrictions and we know what these will look like - no clue what UKGov does outside of the 3 Tiers

 

[duncanp]

And now we see that the Scottish government has said that students in Scotland may not be allowed home for Christmas

Who on earth do they think they are that they can effectively imprison students when they have done nothing wrong.

I hope many people will stick two fingers up at Nicola Sturgeon if she tries to enforce this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54689273

Students could be told not to return home at Christmas if the spread of coronavirus has not been controlled, Scotland's deputy first minister has said.

John Swinney said it was a situation the government wanted to avoid but it was a "realistic possibility".

Speaking on the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme, he also said students may need to make a staggered return to university in January with more online learning for a longer period in the new year.

"We want students to be able to return home, but I have to be realistic with you, that if we have a situation where the virus has not been controlled, then we will have to look at other scenarios and other plans," he said.

We've taken a closer look at the issue of students going home for Christmas here

 

[Huntergreed]

And now we see that the Scottish government has said that students in Scotland may not be allowed home for Christmas

Who on earth do they think they are that they can effectively imprison students when they have done nothing wrong.

I hope many people will stick two fingers up at Nicola Sturgeon if she tries to enforce this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54689273

She’ll lose all student votes next May if she does this

 

[duncanp]

She’ll lose all student votes next May if she does this

I certainly hope so, you can send her homeward, tae think again.

 

[Richard Scott]

She’ll lose all student votes next May if she does this

To be honest I hope she loses the student (and everyone else for that matter) vote irrespective. I know she won't as many can't see through her and think she's shown good leadership, more likely her acting skills have be honed.

 

[kez19]

And now we see that the Scottish government has said that students in Scotland may not be allowed home for Christmas

Who on earth do they think they are that they can effectively imprison students when they have done nothing wrong.

I hope many people will stick two fingers up at Nicola Sturgeon if she tries to enforce this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54689273

Shouldn’t the Scottish Government be in control of the virus situation ... oh wait nevermind

 

[duncanp]

Shouldn’t the Scottish Government be in control of the virus situation ... oh wait nevermind

Never mind, you can always travel on the train from Glasgow to London and back again, even if you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have tested positive for it.

Apparently that is allowed, and the police will take no action against you.

And yet if a student who doesn't have any symptoms or has not tested positive for COVID-19 wants to travel home from Christmas, they could be prevented from doing so on pain of some unspecified punishment.

 

[kez19]

Never mind, you can always travel on the train from Glasgow to London and back again, even if you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have tested positive for it.

Apparently that is allowed, and the police will take no action against you.

And yet if a student who doesn't have any symptoms or has not tested positive for COVID-19 wants to travel home from Christmas, they could be prevented from doing so on pain of some unspecified punishment.

It’s the double standards of it all, students should be able to go home to spend time with family (personally not much into Christmas/New Year as I use too), but it’s the irony.. students stay where you are, MPs let’s go for a jolly!

I be surprised that this is the year (or closer to next year) trust in politicians have sunk, I don’t trust any of them be from UK and Scottish Governments they can all take a hike

You could also add especially in Scotland the media is also to blame regardless, be surprised if they are playing along and having a kick out of it (of course media forgets this with the public too) so be karma for them and politicians

 

[HSTEd]

She’ll lose all student votes next May if she does this

Doubtful.

They worship her and the SNP to stick it to the Sassenach.

 

[kristiang85]

Never mind, you can always travel on the train from Glasgow to London and back again, even if you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have tested positive for it.

Apparently that is allowed, and the police will take no action against you.

And yet if a student who doesn't have any symptoms or has not tested positive for COVID-19 wants to travel home from Christmas, they could be prevented from doing so on pain of some unspecified punishment.

Did the police drop their investigation of that? If they have, then surely any fines to members of the public can be appealed on the basis of precedent?

 

[computerSaysNo]

And now we see that the Scottish government has said that students in Scotland may not be allowed home for Christmas

Who on earth do they think they are that they can effectively imprison students when they have done nothing wrong.

I hope many people will stick two fingers up at Nicola Sturgeon if she tries to enforce this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-54689273

This is ridiculous. Some first years will have left home for the first time in September, have been told "you must remain in your (small) accomodation room and not socialize with others", have had 100% of classes online so will likely have not had any meaningful interaction with another person for weeks/months, been told "no you can't go home and see your parents/siblings/cat at the moment" (during term time), and now they're trying to say they can't go home during the New Year holidays either?!
There's either going to be a huge increase in health problems, or people are just going to travel home for the holidays anyway.
(Personally I couldn't care less about being able to travel for Christmas (specifically), what annoys me is the fact that it's a two week holiday from university and we're being told, effectively, "stay and home and be bored". If they can't let students home for the holiday then they should move the holiday to a time when they can let people home)
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[kez19]

Did the police drop their investigation of that? If they have, then surely any fines to members of the public can be appealed on the basis of precedent?

The only thing I remember reading last was that the Met Police dropped it but have passed it onto Police Scotland, but knowing what usually happens I’ll expect it to disappear without a trace.

Met will not charge MP Margaret Ferrier for travelling with Covid

Suspended SNP MP took test before self-isolating law came into force, Scotland Yard says

www.theguardian.com

The Metropolitan police has said it will not charge the MP Margaret Ferrier with breaching Covid travel restrictions, because her positive test took place three days before the legal requirement to self-isolate came into force.

The Met said it had investigated Ferrier’s decision to travel to Glasgow from London the day after receiving results saying she was positive for Covid-19...

 

[kristiang85]

The only thing I remember reading last was that the Met Police dropped it but have passed it onto Police Scotland, but knowing what usually happens I’ll expect it to disappear without a trace.

Ah OK, I bet it will just be swept under the carpet then...


On Sturgeon, I saw this quote attributed to her today: "It is not the restrictions that are harming the economy. They are harming the economy, but it is the virus that is forcing the restrictions that is harming the economy,"
If she actually said that, she's more insane than I thought.

 

[Huntergreed]

Ah OK, I bet it will just be swept under the carpet then...


On Sturgeon, I saw this quote attributed to her today: "It is not the restrictions that are harming the economy. They are harming the economy, but it is the virus my government, with the misguided belief that this virus can be eliminated, that is forcing the restrictions that is harming the economy,"
If she actually said that, she's more insane than I thought.

Fixed that one for her

 

[kez19]

Ah OK, I bet it will just be swept under the carpet then...


On Sturgeon, I saw this quote attributed to her today: "It is not the restrictions that are harming the economy. They are harming the economy, but it is the virus that is forcing the restrictions that is harming the economy,"
If she actually said that, she's more insane than I thought.

Say that again? (Sturgeon I mean... thats double dutch to me.), yet people make fun of Trump in the way he talks... did Trump and Sturgeon go to school together?

As for Ferrier ... you will be correct on that one, surprised she hasn't just blamed Westminster on that too!

 

[Scotrail12]

So Ms. Ferrier can test positive, travel a total of 900 miles on a train (round trip) and not be charged by police yet kids at uni can't travel home regardless of whether they have COVID or not and as a result, have to stay in some crappy cramped dorm.

I'm beginning to think that this isn't about a virus any more.

 

[DB]

We do seem to have reached a stage where all three governments feel the need to change he regulations at least once a fortnight.

By 'change' I do of course mean 'add more', because it's months since they've actually dropped any restrictions.

 

[Huntergreed]

We do seem to have reached a stage where all three governments feel the need to change he regulations at least once a fortnight.

By 'change' I do of course mean 'add more', because it's months since they've actually dropped any restrictions.

And guess what? Cases keep rising.

The virus doesn’t listen to laws and policies, the virus spreads because that’s what a virus does. Trying to change the course of nature to prevent (mainly) elderly people losing a few years from their live and committing economic suicide whilst doing so is utterly bizarre. There’s a reason no government has ever tried to “beat the virus” before now, it’s impossible. Viruses spread, and I absolutely fear what will happen in the future if a virus with a higher IFR comes across, given how draconian the response to a virus with <1% IFR has been.

 

[kez19]

So Ms. Ferrier can test positive, travel a total of 900 miles on a train (round trip) and not be charged by police yet kids at uni can't travel home regardless of whether they have COVID or not and as a result, have to stay in some crappy cramped dorm.

I'm beginning to think that this isn't about a virus any more.

Yet some people are realising this now.... I would just say it this way, look at things with an open mind - I don't read up on conspiracies (said this before) but I wonder if lets say if one of these theories was right, I wonder if people will drop the name calling of some and actually give credit

Also you can look at the media stance in all this.... they'll play more sympathy for a politician but be student/member of the public at wrong end of stick what happens? Media try to shame them/blame them (irony)

 

[kristiang85]

I absolutely fear what will happen in the future if a virus with a higher IFR comes across, given how draconian the response to a virus with <1% IFR has been.

This is what I've been concerned about too; not least that if it happens within our lifetimes, and by then people will know how OTT the COVID response was, then people might just well ignore it and assumed they've been lied to. And scores more will die.

On the other hand, a precedent has been set that every winter we should go into lockdown when the NHS looks vaguely going towards being overwhelmed. It's idiotic.

 

[kez19]

We do seem to have reached a stage where all three governments feel the need to change he regulations at least once a fortnight.

By 'change' I do of course mean 'add more', because it's months since they've actually dropped any restrictions.

Fixed that for you ... "goalposts"

 

[Domh245]

So Ms. Ferrier can test positive, travel a total of 900 miles on a train (round trip) and not be charged by police yet kids at uni can't travel home regardless of whether they have COVID or not and as a result, have to stay in some crappy cramped dorm.

Look at it the other way, if they can't (/won't) charge one person for travelling 900 miles whilst positive, what are the odds of them charging thousands of student who're almost certainly not positive for travelling significantly less distance