They'll use enhanced DBS checks. The only checks more advanced than this is one carried out by Police etc and even then they're using the PNC to check for criminal records so a Byelaw still wouldn't show up. This vetting is usually used for police officers and staff and also contains financial vetting. I have to fill these firms in every couple of years in my job and they check your family background, financial history as well as any links to political parties etc.
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The software will retain a certain amount of information when a ticket is used in the barrier. However, it will not be anywhere near enough to identify which ticket was used. Apart from anything else, the ticket number is not encoded on the magnetic strip.
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Same in our place. Pretty strict on security but a train ticket offence won't loose you your job. Not to make light of bunking on. I'd be surprised if someone wasn't allowed to practice as a midwife because of that.Our security is tighter and I know it wouldn't be an issue, not from anything I have done by the way.
Don't get me wrong, s5 RRA offences do show up and can affect your job. It's just Byelaws that don't. We had somebody fail vetting for this. To be honest it's more the integrity of her not declaring it when asked that was the issue, but the guidance notes do advise that such convictions may bar you from appointment.
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It's professionalism and honesty. Dishonesty offences are taken seriously. It's arguable whether a Byelaws offence is a dishonesty offence, as it is strict liability, but one needs to be careful. RoRA offences probably are. Accusing someone of racism without due cause would certainly be something that can affect your professional standing.
I work in a University with a large Midwifery programme, and I've seen students be declared unfit to practise after unfortunate Facebook slanging matches, never mind a criminal offence.
Absolutely mate. I didn't mean to say it's nothing and don't worry about it and apologise if it came across like that. More that when applying or what have you you should be honest about your past, it doesn't necessarily mean you won't get a/the job.
That's right. I know several people who have bene honest from the start of the recruitment process, and, as their DBS check has come back with only the offence they have mentioned and nothing else, it has not prevented them gaining employment.
Of course, that very much depends on the nature of the offence as well, but in my experience those who do not mention even a very trivial offence tend not to be taken on, due to the prospect of further dishonesty of 'forgetfulness'.
Quite. I had enhanced screening for Royal Train work and ticked yes to one of the questions [not relating to criminality!!
]. Nothing more was said, but I was told that if I'd ticked no and the matter had emerged I would have been in trouble.Thank you guys for all your messages, advice and wisdom.
Just to clear a few things up...
I did not accuse the guard of being racist. I asked him if he 'was' racist... as I said, I felt victimised and couldn't think of any other reason as to why he was picking on me. It may surprise you to know the guard was of asian origin. Anyone can be racist no matter what race they are from. But like I said I did not accuse him, I asked him, and as I said before, I regret it. It was not abusive language. I did raise my voice when demanding my ticket back but I never once swore or used offensive language. I have been accused of :
'Using threatening, absusive, obscene or offensive language'
'entering a train for the purpose of travelling without a ticket entitling travel'
The pen I used was actually one I have used on numerous occasions, and been checked by guards with no problems. I have however had problems in the past when using a biro which tends to scratch the shiny surface of the ticket and can look as though it has been tampered with. I thought the rollerball was better solution but alas not on this occasion.
Well, I have decided to write the letter, keeping it as factual as possible and not using emotive language. I still think the inspector and the cop were bang out of order and I will get a solicitor if necessary.
I will let you know how it all goes. I have worked for the NHS now for 14 years with exemplary references. Fingers crossed this matter will not mar anything I have worked hard to achieve.
Thanks again
Just to clear a few things up...
I did not accuse the guard of being racist. I asked him if he 'was' racist... as I said, I felt victimised and couldn't think of any other reason as to why he was picking on me. It may surprise you to know the guard was of asian origin. Anyone can be racist no matter what race they are from. But like I said I did not accuse him, I asked him, and as I said before, I regret it. It was not abusive language. I did raise my voice when demanding my ticket back but I never once swore or used offensive language. I have been accused of :
'Using threatening, absusive, obscene or offensive language'
'entering a train for the purpose of travelling without a ticket entitling travel'
The pen I used was actually one I have used on numerous occasions, and been checked by guards with no problems. I have however had problems in the past when using a biro which tends to scratch the shiny surface of the ticket and can look as though it has been tampered with. I thought the rollerball was better solution but alas not on this occasion.
Well, I have decided to write the letter, keeping it as factual as possible and not using emotive language. I still think the inspector and the cop were bang out of order and I will get a solicitor if necessary.
I will let you know how it all goes. I have worked for the NHS now for 14 years with exemplary references. Fingers crossed this matter will not mar anything I have worked hard to achieve.
Thanks again
Semantics. If you weren't thinking it, why ask the question?
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What was said to the RPI should not have ANY bearing on their behaviour. They have a job to do and they were not doing it properly.
That said, the OP didn't act properly but that's a public order offence rather than anything else.
Why is it surprising that he was of Asian origin?
And demanding a ticket back, that always remains the property of the railway, could be seen as aggression - especially if you made any attempt to actually get it back.
But I do agree about the pen and problems writing on the ticket.
And demanding a ticket back, that always remains the property of the railway, could be seen as aggression - especially if you made any attempt to actually get it back.
But I do agree about the pen and problems writing on the ticket.
WillPS
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Again, I'd emphasise it's probably important that it's made clear that this forum is for advice against ticketing issues, and accusations of abusive behaviour towards staff are probably best separated off entirely so we give our best advice in the area we actually have the knowledge. That's me attempting to be pragmatic rather than apologetic/sympathetic on that particular issue.
The key for a successful prosecution will be witnesses or recordings for this offence. The RPI's word against the OP word would not be sufficient for a successful prosecution alone as I understand.
The use of offensive language is subjective and down to interpretation, something that may innocently offend 1% of the population would not cause offence to the other 99% of the population for example.
I use FCC Carnets a fair amount and have not yet found a biro that will leave ink on the shiny surface of the boxes. Whenever one has been inspected the RPI has accepted that they can clearly see the date indented into the surface but its not good having boxes that need to be filled in but cannot be written in. If the OP wishes to challenge FCC I am happy to supply them with a batch of indentation dated carnets to demonstrate the point that they are very hard to date with a permanent marker.
If a permanent marker doesn't work what on earth should you use?
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These work well:
www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-pen-313-permanent-universal-pen-s
On a railway ticket, the ink takes two or three seconds to dry then you can rub it as hard as you like and it won't smudge.
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WillPS
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It's high time something was done about this. Why can't FCC print some boxes on the back of their stock or something?
Why not just print '"Write date on rear of ticket" or something similar on the front ? No need for any special printing on the rear.
The only systems that really work are those where 1-31, JAN-DEC and the years are all printed and then either punched out or scratched off to show a single date. (Neither would be easy to apply here.)
The only systems that really work are those where 1-31, JAN-DEC and the years are all printed and then either punched out or scratched off to show a single date. (Neither would be easy to apply here.)
And better still they leave no mark on the surface when you clean it off with an alcohol swab later in the day
tsr
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I usually use a Sharpie CD/DVD marker's fine tip when I need to write on tickets. That generally works fairly well.
WillPS
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And better still they leave no mark on the surface when you clean it off with an alcohol swab later in the day
If they're the ones we used on the deli counter at Sainsburys to write the use by dates on the labels (and they look like it!) then an eraser pen is available widely.
Not certain this is stuff we should be putting out.
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And better still they leave no mark on the surface when you clean it off with an alcohol swab later in the day
Is that a confession?
Hmmm, I'm not sure that you are right here.
I wouldn't be surprised if the oral evidence from an RPI _would_ be sufficient. Anyone?
My assumption was based on that a single police officers word, without back up is insufficient in court, so highly unlikely an RPI without a back up will be sufficient.
Although were BTP in attendance when said offence occurred,if so this will be the witness
This is incorrect. People can be (and have been) convicted for speeding based on oral testimony from a police constable alone - ie no camera records.
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