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I see Ripley based Derbyshire Community Transport have taken over a number of local DCC routes from Monday 2nd October.

They've also acquired two buses from Littles who were the former operator.

Source : bustimes.org
 
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I see Ripley based Derbyshire Community Transport have taken over a number of local DCC routes from Monday 2nd October.

They've also acquired two buses from Littles who were the former operator.

Source : bustimes.org
Yes, Littles and TM Travel are now things of the past in the Amber Valley area on the routes from Nether Heage to Alfreton via Belper and Crich, and Matlock to Alfreton via Crich (now extended to the East Midlands Designer Outlet). I gather DCT’s route learning took place last Saturday ahead of the takeover on Monday, with reports of at least one vehicle going the wrong way / getting lost on the first service day! There is also currently confusion over the timetables, which differ between the council version and the operator’s! Tuesday there were a former Littles vehicle and a blue and silver Solo on the Matlocks while Belper had another blue and silver Solo. These services carry significant school loads in the morning and late afternoon, and are thus not suitable for DCT’s minibuses.
 

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First electric buses for Nottingham City Transport have completed production. They should be getting delivered soon

NCT prepares for first electric buses​

Nottingham City Transport is preparing for the arrival of its first electric buses by the end of the year

Nottingham City Transport’s first new electric buses are nearing completion and are expected to be carrying passengers on the city’s streets by the end of the year, the operator says, once driver and engineering training, along with the final infrastructure work take place at its Trent Bridge Garage, where they will be based, are all completed.

A total of 24 electric single-deckers have been ordered in the first batch, which will be split into two deliveries – 12 before Christmas and 12 more by the end of March 2024. Alongside the standard-fit air-conditioning, the buses will feature a re-positioned visual next stop screen, including a rear facing screen which can be seen from the wheelchair bay, extra leg room between seats, a bigger buggy bay, a hearing loop system, and full colour destination displays. Additionally, no tip up seats will be fitted in the wheelchair bay to help reduce conflict over use of the space.

With an expected range of over 250 miles, the operator says the buses will be able to manage a full day’s service without recharging.

The total cost of the first phase of NCT’s electric bus project, which includes both the buses and infrastructure, is £34m, of which £15.2m comes from the Department for Transport’s Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas (ZEBRA) fund. The remaining £18.8m is investment by the operator.

In a thorough and well-researched introduction to the new buses on its website, Nottingham City Transport said that it chose the Yutongs as they were the ones which best met its needs, and that having trialled other vehicles, it found some of those ‘disappointing.’ “NCT has a long track record of supporting bus building in the UK, although many are now owned by international companies. Our bio-gas buses were assembled and bodied in the UK, but their chassis was manufactured overseas. We undertook a rigorous public procurement process and operational trial of many electric buses. Some of those bus trials were disappointing and the buses just didn’t meet our needs and would likely have required more buses than we actually needed, as we’d have to swap and charge them during the day,” the operator explained.

“Yutong Bus & Coach were the clear winner, with tried and tested buses that are superior in terms of space and comfort for passengers, with air conditioning as standard. Their buses can do a full days’ operation on a single, overnight charge and come with advanced battery technology and safety systems.”

The plates are as follows, courtesy of buslistsontheweb.co.uk
Fleet - Reg
201 - YD73FSC
202 - YD73FSJ
203 - YD73FSE
204 - YD73FSF
205 - YD73FSG
206 - YD73FSK
207 - YD73FSL
208 - YD73FSO
209 - YD73FSP
210 - YD73FSS
211 - YD73FSU
212 - YD73FSV

It seems the batch does not have consecutive plates when you factorise the fleet code for 202?
 
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First electric buses for Nottingham City Transport have completed production. They should be getting delivered soon



The plates are as follows, courtesy of buslistsontheweb.co.uk
Fleet - Reg
201 - YD73FSC
202 - YD73FSJ
203 - YD73FSE
204 - YD73FSF
205 - YD73FSG
206 - YD73FSK
207 - YD73FSL
208 - YD73FSO
209 - YD73FSP
210 - YD73FSS
211 - YD73FSU
212 - YD73FSV

It seems the batch does not have consecutive plates when you factorise the fleet code for 202?
It's likely an anomaly arising from the fact the DVLA don't normally issue registrations with the second and last letters the same, preventing the use of YD73 FSD.
I'm guessing the bus's colour and possibly chassis number means it was destined to become 202 anyway, whatever the reg ended up being.

Though I don't know why the DVLA couldn't have had it as FSE, moved 203/4 down a letter and used FSJ on 205.
 

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"extra leg room between seats"

Much needed - the only seats I can fit in currently is the back centre, emergency door row and tip up seats!

Having long legs is a curse at times, hopefully nearer the EMR Meridians than the current buses in terms of leg room.
 

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Probably due to the flooding in Derby yesterday which included trentbarton's depot, both Harlequin solo's have been out today. 493 is on the Comet and 494 did 1 return on the villager this morning.
 

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Probably due to the flooding in Derby yesterday which included trentbarton's depot, both Harlequin solo's have been out today. 493 is on the Comet and 494 did 1 return on the villager this morning.
Were any of Derby's fleet damaged beyond repair? This is the last thing they needed after the recent reliability issues
 

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With the road works by Derby bus station, does the Notts and Derby U1/U1X still serve Morledge going to and from the rail Station? And is ENCTS valid on it?
 

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Were any of Derby's fleet damaged beyond repair? This is the last thing they needed after the recent reliability issues
There are some drone pictures of Derby city centre on the Derby Telegraph website, one of them showing the Trent bus garage - possibly most of the fleet was out when that was taken

Derby Telegraph page showing photos of flooding
 
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With the road works by Derby bus station, does the Notts and Derby U1/U1X still serve Morledge going to and from the rail Station? And is ENCTS valid on it?
Yes they are going via the bus station itself rather than under the car park to get to the Morledge. Can't tell you about the passes.
There are some drone pictures of Derby city centre on the Derby Telegraph website, one of them showing the Trent bus garage - possibly most of the fleet was out when that was taken

Derby Telegraph page showing photos of flooding
Oh dear I spot a villager in the photo. Probably explains why one of the diagrams is missing yesterday and today.
 

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Yes, Littles and TM Travel are now things of the past in the Amber Valley area on the routes from Nether Heage to Alfreton via Belper and Crich, and Matlock to Alfreton via Crich (now extended to the East Midlands Designer Outlet). I gather DCT’s route learning took place last Saturday ahead of the takeover on Monday, with reports of at least one vehicle going the wrong way / getting lost on the first service day! There is also currently confusion over the timetables, which differ between the council version and the operator’s! Tuesday there were a former Littles vehicle and a blue and silver Solo on the Matlocks while Belper had another blue and silver Solo. These services carry significant school loads in the morning and late afternoon, and are thus not suitable for DCT’s minibuses.
So are most DCT routes, including the former Littles and TM Travel routes, worked by DCT's minibuses?

The 140 Alfreton-Matlock now runs later than it did under Littles: the last buses are now at 19.05 from Alfreton (arr Matlock 20.01) and 20.06 from Matlock (arr Alfreton bus station 20.57). It also appears to have reverted to its original route via Matlock Bath and Cromford, rather than via Tansley.
 

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With most of the threes E200's now in service Versa 826 seems to have now made it's way to Notts and Derby and out on the 138 today.

 

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With most of the threes E200's now in service Versa 826 seems to have now made it's way to Notts and Derby and out on the 138 today.

Also seems 485 is with Notts & Derby on the 71/72
778/9/80 have also returned to Langley Mill and are temporarily allocated to the two until they are repainted into mango
 

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I notice Queens Drive park and ride has been underwater again

What happened to the two electric bus compounds they had there, so CT4N still have electric buses and are they still in use

At one time an extensive network of Link Buses, Medilink and the two park and ride routes were all electric and all based there
 

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I notice Queens Drive park and ride has been underwater again

What happened to the two electric bus compounds they had there, so CT4N still have electric buses and are they still in use

At one time an extensive network of Link Buses, Medilink and the two park and ride routes were all electric and all based there
As far as I know they still are largely based (or at least charged) there but I’m also curious about how it works with the site being so prone to flooding
 

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The evening service on Hulleys of Baslow route 257, introduced back in July with BSIP funding, is being withdrawn from 3 December.

The 257 runs from Sheffield to Yorkshire Bridge then via Bamford, Hathersage, Grindleford, Calver and Baslow to Bakewell.

I have to say in Sheffield awareness of the evening service introduction is very low, the South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority doesn't seem to have made much effort in promoting the improvements to services that are supported by Derbyshire County Council with the mayor and other local politicians seeming to be more interested in shouting loudly that buses are rubbish and wouldn't be if they were all publicly controlled by them! This contrasts the efforts made by Derbyshire County Council with press releases announcing improvements along with lots of marketing and PR jointly with bus operators and stakeholders for the likes of the Peak Sightseer, 218 evening service and 6.1 evening service.

Announcement: https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/trans...nges/forthcoming-changes-to-bus-services.aspx
 
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The evening service on Hulleys of Baslow route 257, introduced back in July with BSIP funding, is being withdrawn from 3 December.

The 257 runs from Sheffield to Yorkshire Bridge then via Bamford, Hathersage, Grindleford, Calver and Baslow to Bakewell.

I have to say in Sheffield awareness of the evening service introduction is very low, the South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority doesn't seem to have made much effort in promoting the improvements to services that are supported by Derbyshire County Council with the mayor and other local politicians seeming to be more interested in shouting loudly that buses are rubbish and wouldn't be if they were all publicly controlled by them! This contrasts the efforts made by Derbyshire County Council with press releases announcing improvements along with lots of marketing and PR jointly with bus operators and stakeholders for the likes of the Peak Sightseer, 218 evening service and 6.1 evening service.

Announcement: https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/trans...nges/forthcoming-changes-to-bus-services.aspx
This did seem a strange use of BSIP funding, the 257 is hardly a mainline trunk route during the daytime and besides there are late evening train services from Sheffield to Dore, Grindleford, Hathersage and Bamford

There is also a 218 bus at 2140 direct from Sheffield to Bakewell, providing an additional later 218 would be a better and probably cheaper option.

Alternatively as Hulley’s are so short of drivers they may have thrown this contracted bus back at Derbyshire County Council as I guess a duty ending back at Baslow Depot at 0035 May not be easy t9 cover on overtime?

If DCC have any BSIP money left they may be better subsidising a couple of evening journeys on the high profile Pronto route between Chesterfield and Mansfield as the last bus from Mansfield departs at 1925, and there are no train services between Mansfield and Chesterfield unless you travel via Nottingham!
 

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This did seem a strange use of BSIP funding, the 257 is hardly a mainline trunk route during the daytime and besides there are late evening train services from Sheffield to Dore, Grindleford, Hathersage and Bamford

There is also a 218 bus at 2140 direct from Sheffield to Bakewell, providing an additional later 218 would be a better and probably cheaper option.

Alternatively as Hulley’s are so short of drivers they may have thrown this contracted bus back at Derbyshire County Council as I guess a duty ending back at Baslow Depot at 0035 May not be easy t9 cover on overtime?

If DCC have any BSIP money left they may be better subsidising a couple of evening journeys on the high profile Pronto route between Chesterfield and Mansfield as the last bus from Mansfield departs at 1925, and there are no train services between Mansfield and Chesterfield unless you travel via Nottingham!
Within Sheffield the 257 provides a useful supplement to the 51 between City and Crosspool, otherwise its main purpose from Sheffield is providing a link to Yorkshire Bridge and Bamford. It is worth noting the 257 actually serves Bamford village, whereas the 272 and train stops at the bottom of the hill a walk away. Other than that the 257 seems to be more about providing local links within the Peak District rather than through journeys to Sheffield.

The 218, the more direct Sheffield-Totley-Baslow-Bakewell route, has also gained an evening service, although it is a more limited one bus in steam job. I also suspect many don't trust it to turn up given TM Travel's recent performance with driver shortages.

X17 has gained a new evening service between Sheffield and Chesterfield although rather frustratingly operates independently of the existing evening X17 service between Chesterfield and Matlock.

272 has gained a later trip from Sheffield to Castleton on Friday and Saturday nights, however much to the frustration of the locals it doesn't provide a later trip from Castleton back to the local villages, it runs all the way back out of service.

An ongoing observation with these things that does frustrate me living on the county boundary, the South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority seems to show no interest in being supportive and promoting cross-border services, most of these improved evening services between Sheffield and Derbyshire have almost zero awareness in Sheffield.
 

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Andrews of Tideswell bus T4 FEG burnt out on Monsall Road on Tuesday evening 28 November
Photos posted on line and on BBC but no other details seemingly available
I think that needed a log in

this link shouldn't be a problem I hope
 
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Do we expect NCT will end up sold to the private sector given the collapse of Nottingham City Council into de-facto bankruptcy?

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The Guardian article on the Section 114 Notice issued by Nottingham City Council, de-facto declaring itself bankrupt.

Nottingham city council has issued a section 114 notice, in effect declaring itself bankrupt, as experts warn an increasing number of councils are “reaching breaking point”.

In an announcement on Wednesday, the local authority said it had a significant gap in its budget and the council’s chief financial officer had decided it was not able to produce a balanced budget for this year
 
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Do we expect NCT will end up sold to the private sector given the collapse of Nottingham City Council into de-facto bankruptcy?
I hope not. Nottingham is a nice place to be and it's decent public transport is a big part of that.
 

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Do we expect NCT will end up sold to the private sector given the collapse of Nottingham City Council into de-facto bankruptcy?
Don't Transdev have a small ownership in it. Presumably in any sale they would be given first option - The Nottingham Bus Company.
 

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Don't Transdev have a small ownership in it. Presumably in any sale they would be given first option - The Nottingham Bus Company.

Who Owns NCT?
NCT was ‘privatised’ in 1986 and Nottingham City Council held 100% equity of the company until 2000, when Transdev PLC the UK arm of the French multi national transport operator acquired an effective 18% stake in the company.

Do we expect NCT will end up sold to the private sector given the collapse of Nottingham City Council into de-facto bankruptcy?
That was the first I'd heard about this.

For anyone else for whom this is news:


Nottingham City Council has declared itself effectively bankrupt, meaning it will stop all spending other than services it must provide by law.

A recent report said the Labour-run council was set for a £23m overspend in the 2023-24 financial year.

It has been beset by financial issues in recent years, and was already being monitored by the government.

The council's chief finance officer said the authority was unable to deliver a balanced budget.

Latest updates as council announces effective bankruptcy
The officer has issued a report under section 114 of the Local Government Finance Act 1988.

It emerged the council was considering issuing the section 114 notice earlier this month.

The authority cited increased demand for children's and adults' social care, rising homelessness and the impact of inflation as putting extra pressure on its finances.

In addition it said "past issues relating to financial governance which led to the appointment of an Improvement and Assurance Board" twinned with an overspend in the last financial year have also impacted on the it "financial resilience" and ability to draw on reserves.

The council has pledged to keep people in Nottingham updated on the situation
A meeting is due to take place within the next 21 days to discuss the situation and the authority said a dedicated page on its website would provide updates.

The council said in a statement: "Senior officers and members remain committed to continuing to work with the Improvement and Assurance Board and the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities to put the council on a stable financial footing for the future."

Nottingham City Council leader David Mellen has told the BBC he will not be stepping down following the news that the authority is effectively bankrupt.

"We will continue to pay our bills, we will continue to pay our staff," he said.

He added the council was not going to close its new £10m library - which officially opened on Tuesday - but said all non-essential spending "has to be considered".

When asked if he considered his position at the council, Mr Mellen said: "Today is not about my position. It is about the position of the jobs here at the council. It is about the people receiving services from the council."

In a joint statement, Nottingham's three MPs - Nadia Whittome, Alex Norris, and Lilian Greenwood - said the "government's failure to get a grip on unprecedented rising demand for social care and homelessness has now pushed the council over the edge, forcing it to issue a section 114 notice".

It read: "Our constituents should not be made to suffer further cuts to local services at a time when they face the biggest drop in living standards since records began.

"We will be working with local councillors to mitigate the impact that today's development has on residents, and in Parliament fighting for proper reform of the social care system, real action to tackle homelessness, and funding for local services."

It does sound like this is going to be a common story for quite a few councils.
 

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As an arm's length operator NCT should not be automatically affected by the Section 114 notice. Section 114 just means the council is set to spend beyond income and reserves, the possible side effects depend on the choices councillors make but could include:
- withdrawal of funding for supported bus services (they have already been reduce that to the detriment of CT4N)
- withdrawal of funding for any discretionary Concessionary Fare spend (though statutory duty for ENCTS will remain)
- sale of council assets to help build reserves / pay off debt which could include some or all of it's shares in NCT
 

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NCT is profitable so if anything I would hope that it would remain under council control as it helps thrm. They may however decided to sell for the short term boost to finances, a short sighted choice.
 

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As an arm's length operator NCT should not be automatically affected by the Section 114 notice. Section 114 just means the council is set to spend beyond income and reserves, the possible side effects depend on the choices councillors make but could include:
- withdrawal of funding for supported bus services (they have already been reduce that to the detriment of CT4N)
- withdrawal of funding for any discretionary Concessionary Fare spend (though statutory duty for ENCTS will remain)
- sale of council assets to help build reserves / pay off debt which could include some or all of it's shares in NCT
Notts County Council are currently reviewing whether to withdraw concessionary free travel on the tram network especially for ENCTS pass holders. I wonder if this is something Nottingham City Council may now do.
 

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It does sound like this is going to be a common story for quite a few councils.
I'm afraid so - the sector is really struggling under the combined weight of over a decade of funding cuts, rising costs of adult social care, homelessness and school transport. Asset sales, such as the example suggested above, are an obvious short-term fix and will no doubt be under consideration as part of councils' medium-term financial strategies (I work in local government and we are mandated to produce and publish these annually).

THC
 

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Nottingham city Council has started discussing the cuts it will have to make being the latest Council to go bust.
Further unspecified cuts to the link network are proposed as well as cutting funding to two bus park and ride sites and Victoria bus station.
 

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