LNW-GW Joint
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You would need a 125mph version for Avanti (90mph on diesel), which is not on Stadler's shelf for the UK, unlike Hitachi's.
And a small fleet like that wouldn't be "built" in the UK.
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And a small fleet like that wouldn't be "built" in the UK.
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Stadler does make a 125mph version of the FLIRT for foreign markets, it could be done very easily by them so that is not an issue if an operator got DfT permission for a new Stadler intercity order(very unlikely).
g_m_h_redwood
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Moved under their own power so the 56 wasn't starting in advance of the signal when it coupled
themiller
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Why couldn't the 56 couple then push back?
RailWonderer
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Back in 2016 when GA won the long term franchise they approached Stadler directly without the DfT under a pure franchise system and back then they had all the season ticket revenue and an increasing number of passengers with predictions set only to rise so it was a right place right time kind of order. The DfT if anything were only asking for modernisation in light of the increase in demand and that was that.
LNW-GW Joint
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That was in the far-off days when DfT were "hands off" on franchise rolling stock procurements, other than the big 800/801 and 700 fleets which they fronted.
However Northern had to get specific SoS permission to go for a new CAF fleet, in order to eliminate the Pacer fleet, as their business case was initially rejected.
I'm not sure if Stadler has delivered a 125mph version of the Flirt, and even if they could it might need re-engineering for UK standards.
hexagon789
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A few now. Norway has some for instance.
QSK19
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I believe that Stadler put in a FLIRT-based bid for EMR’s new-IC fleet (which, as we know, was awarded to Hitachi). If that’s true, then such a version could presumably be viable for the UK.
Trainbike46
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The way I understand it, Stadler offered something for the new EMR IC fleet, but it may have been a UK version of the SMILE, a faster FLIRT or some hybrid between the two
There was an image somewhere (think in a Stadler document) and it looked like a SMILE. The SMILE is heavily based of the FLIRT.
g_m_h_redwood
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I'm not entirely sure, but they appeared to have trouble with getting it to couple the first time. Once they'd moved further along the platform the second attempt worked fine.
william.martin
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So when will testing/ training begin?
Am I correct that for test and training runs they will be based at Oxley?
Am I correct that for test and training runs they will be based at Oxley?
Jammy Dodger
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I believe I read somewhere during the initial rollout of the 745's in 2020 that they are 200kph capable, up from the current 160kph, all with some minor modification to the power train (motors, gearbox, etc.). This was done to safeguard the potential for line speed increases on GEML in the future. Discussion for anther time, I feel...
Are the 805s running up to Glasgow on this?
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Realtime Trains | 5Q30 0838 Oxley Car. M.D. to Glasgow Central | 06/02/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q30 0838 departure from Oxley Car. M.D. to Glasgow Central on 06/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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I don't know for sure, but the return path is pathed as 80X on electric (presumably changing to diesel for the non-electrified curve to the salop), so it's likely that it could be.Are the 805s running up to Glasgow on this?
Realtime Trains | 5Q30 0838 Oxley Car. M.D. to Glasgow Central | 06/02/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q30 0838 departure from Oxley Car. M.D. to Glasgow Central on 06/02/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
william.martin
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By non-electrified curve to the salop do you mean shrewsbury?
Oxfordblues
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Yes, that's the Grand Junction-Great Western curve between Stafford Road and Bushbury.
william.martin
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According to RTT they will not pass through shrewsbury.
The Planner
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They can't get back to Oxley without using the chord. Its nothing to do with Shrewsbury.
It’s a shame they never electrified that chord.
The Planner
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Always rears its head as a project to be looked at, but never gets anywhere. The view is just "why do it if you can just reverse at Wolves".
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5Q30 running today, just passed the Railcam Bushbury camera. Will be on the Crewe cameras about 9.40. Not sure if 001 or 003.
805001
Found a post on twitter, showing that the seats in first class are FISA LEANs, not surplus pendolino seats from the coach G conversions. Will be interesting to see if this is a better variant (perhaps wider?) than that used on a 745 or not.
TT-ONR-NRN
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They just look so budget.
RailWonderer
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None of the ambience and premium feel of the Pendolinos in first here. Seats are the same FISAs as the 745s in first but even those feel more premium with the fake wood, grey panels and dark fabrics in the coach. The cushion will be the same but only a more confortable moquette than the one on the 745s might make a difference.
Bletchleyite
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To be fair these units are for secondary services which will likely carry cheaper ticket prices (the Brum semifast and the second, slower Liverpool) so is this actually out of kilter?
TT-ONR-NRN
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I’d personally see them as a downgrade for Chester from Voyagers, but seeing as Liverpool’s fast, Manchester and Scotland will be thoroughly Pendolino operated, I’m less fussed.
One thing is, in my opinion, pictures of the refurbished pendolino interior don't seem to catch the ambience anywhere near as well as in person, but that's just my opinion. I for one want to wait until I actually see it for myself, which hopefully shouldn't be too soon living on the Euston-Brum semifast. It’ll be nice to have a choice of a 390 (Manchester service) or an 80X.
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Bletchleyite
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Offset, I'd say, by the VERY significant capacity increase. 5.80x has about a third more seats again than 5.221.
Debatable, though. Worse in some ways but better in others. Probably averages out.
Yeah, 2 of MKC's 3 Avanti trains should be these. I'm looking forward to it - other than the seats in most of them I like 80x, they certainly have bigger windows and a more spacious feel than Pendolinos, and I already know I like the seats in the refurbs a lot.