Formed DPTS-MS-TS-MC-DPTF; HV transformer carried by the TS vehicle, gensets on the others.
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Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets
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themiller
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If the vehicle has a motor, shouldn’t the T in the vehicle code change to an M?
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
It doesn't, just a transformer.
themiller
Member
Doesn’t the T refer to a trailer rather than a transformer with M designating a vehicle with traction motors?
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Yes, correct. That's why it's a T.
themiller
Member
So, to correct the code in post#181, it should read DPTS - MS - MS - MS - DPTF unless one of the MS has changed to a MC.
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Bletchleyite
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Does the middle vehicle have traction motors, then? I thought it didn't.
themiller
Member
I assume so as all of the non-driving cars on the 8xx 5-car fleet are motored. The extra diesel genset was to increase the acceleration rate so dropping the number of driven axles may have had an adverse affect on that.
It was to increase the acceleration rate on diesel. 2 vehicles with motors on (especially if the motors are uprated as reported waaaay back in the 810 thread, where these posts probably should be!)) may still be more than enough to put down all the power that can be gotten out of the genset, especially when considering that the original 80x design was designed around a 140mph max speed (and with an abundance of caution, from which learnings could have been made)
No, only the second and fourth cars carry traction motors on the 810s, hence only those cars having M codes. There's no special code for a vehicle that carries an engine but doesn't use it to drive the wheels of the vehicle carrying it.
The T is code for trailer, defined as having unpowered axles - which for EMUs and DEMUs will be vehicles without traction motors. The position of the transformer is ignored, so it's just a co-incidence that the the TS vehicle has the transformer in it.
An especially pertinent observation!
themiller
Member
Sorry, all. I was misled in my comments - I didn’t read the quote properly in #181. I answered for class 805s. Must try harder in observation.
A reminder that this thread is for the discussion of the Class 805/807. For discussion of the class 810 please use this thread :
Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
Looks like the new Hitachi AT300's based on the IET platforn for EMR are going to be called the Class 804. These are going to be bi-mode trains and should be capable of running at up to 140mph, even if 125 is all they see in service. We're looking at 33, 5-car long sets, with 23m long coaches...
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The first Hitachi class 805, 805001 is booked to Move to Asfordby Test Centre (Old Dalby) on Tuesday to commence testing.
Path is shown below from RTT:-
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Path is shown below from RTT:-
Realtime Trains | 5Z61 0920 Merchant Park Sidings to Old Dalby | 01/11/2022
Real-time train running information for 5Z61 0920 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Old Dalby on 01/11/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
50002Superb
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I’m guessing this isn’t happening?The first Hitachi class 805, 805001 is booked to Move to Asfordby Test Centre (Old Dalby) on Tuesday to commence testing.
Path is shown below from RTT:-
Realtime Trains | 5Z61 0920 Merchant Park Sidings to Old Dalby | 01/11/2022
Real-time train running information for 5Z61 0920 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Old Dalby on 01/11/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
It doesn’t appear to have been activated on RTT
Jacob Porrett
On Moderation
It has been cancelled today.
Cancelled from the WTT for today. According to Richard Clinnick on Twitter, it’s due to move next week now:
Jacob Porrett
On Moderation
Hopefully get some miles under it's belt before moving to Old Dalby for further testing.
A video below from YouTube of 805001 on the Hitachi test track at Newton Aycliffe, believed to be first time out on the track:-
To note, the path to move 805001 to Old Dalby, is now in the system for Tuesday next week:-
5Q61 Merchant Park - Old Dalby
66 + 1 x 5 car 805
Retimed for next Tuesday
Approx Dep 11:21 Merchant Park via ECML to donny, Lincoln, RR Peterborough NY, Melton Mowbray, Old Dalby Arr 19:09
*providing nothing changes*
To note, the path to move 805001 to Old Dalby, is now in the system for Tuesday next week:-
5Q61 Merchant Park - Old Dalby
66 + 1 x 5 car 805
Retimed for next Tuesday
Approx Dep 11:21 Merchant Park via ECML to donny, Lincoln, RR Peterborough NY, Melton Mowbray, Old Dalby Arr 19:09
*providing nothing changes*
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Seems from the video that the 805 hasn't got the headlights seen in the advert, might be early days tbh, I'd assume the real headlights could be easily put in come the final paint etc. But from what I've seen so far looks pretty stock:
The headlights are the ones that are in the train now!
Bare in mind in the picture the train is an 802.
Don’t take too much of a artists impression.
hexagon789
Veteran Member
Surely it's more likely that it's the other way around - that those are the headlights they will have full stop and those in the adverts were simply artistic licence?
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Looks to me like 8 tables per intermediate - that's not bad by modern standards (though the 76 seat Mk3 had 10). If aligned to windows the legroom will be excellent - the 80x windows are First Class bay sized. Should be a bit Chiltern-Mk3-esque by the looks of it!
I'm fairly surprised they're not shouting loudly about this kind of upgrade - TPE did of the 397s.
Also looks like there will be a buffet (from the two blanked out windows on one of the intermediates).
Actually looks to me like everything the "long distance" GWR ones should be (other than that they should be 9 car).
Buffet is same size as the LNER type, although they have glass displayed counters.
TT-ONR-NRN
Established Member
Which really is what the 805s should be numbered as
Buffet same as LNER with a few subtle changes
hexagon789
Veteran Member
I thought the same thing a while back seeing as the 802's are all with First Group, but I think the 805's have enough differences underneath that perhaps justify a separate class altogether.
hexagon789
Veteran Member
Different engines for one