Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[800001]

That's rather odd, 002 was only delivered to Oxley recently, and I wouldn't have imagined it would be able to be accepted within such a short timescale.

It won’t be accepted by Avanti, none are yet.
It is still part of Hitachi’s test/mileage accumulation runs.
Bear in mind these go straight from factory to testing on mainline, so that’s no different to it been sent to Oxley and starting testing.

Although why todays run is under an Avanti headcode is anyone’s guess.

Another unit due to move from Merchant Park to Oxley this morning, departing at 11:25. Potentially 805004.
Path from RTT attached:-

Realtime Trains | 5Q13 1125 Merchant Park Sidings to Oxley Car. M.D. | 31/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q13 1125 departure from Merchant Park Sidings to Oxley Car. M.D. on 31/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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805004 is the unit on the move.

 

[Welshguy1048]

It won’t be accepted by Avanti, none are yet.
It is still part of Hitachi’s test/mileage accumulation runs.
Bear in mind these go straight from factory to testing on mainline, so that’s no different to it been sent to Oxley and starting testing.

Although why todays run is under an Avanti headcode is anyone’s guess.


805004 is the unit on the move.

Could this be the unit that will come down the North Wales Coast on this path?

Dave

Realtime Trains | 5Q39 1312 Crewe to Llandudno Junction | 31/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q39 1312 departure from Crewe to Llandudno Junction on 31/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Narrowboatboy]

Don’t think this is running either, I’m at Beeston Castle and Tarporley old station (I live here), and it doesn’t appear to be on any diagrams yet

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

805 002 was in P4 at Crewe when I passed through around 1315.

 

[Meyrick]

It won’t be accepted by Avanti, none are yet.
It is still part of Hitachi’s test/mileage accumulation runs.
Bear in mind these go straight from factory to testing on mainline, so that’s no different to it been sent to Oxley and starting testing.

Although why todays run is under an Avanti headcode is anyone’s guess.


805004 is the unit on the move.

Avanti have accepted it, however it is still subject to fault free running which will be done alongside driver training. It's a fairly new method, but Avanti aren't the first to do it like this I believe
.

 

[AJDesiro]

Avanti have accepted it, however it is still subject to fault free running which will be done alongside driver training. It's a fairly new method, but Avanti aren't the first to do it like this I believe
.

That's a rather peculiar method, but it sounds promising. I guess you can do all the checks etc needed for acceptance. Presumably it speeds up the process?

 

[Meyrick]

That's a rather peculiar method, but it sounds promising. I guess you can do all the checks etc needed for acceptance. Presumably it speeds up the process?

I imagine so, I assume there must be Hitachi representatives on board during the runs.

 

[800001]

Avanti have accepted it, however it is still subject to fault free running which will be done alongside driver training. It's a fairly new method, but Avanti aren't the first to do it like this I believe
.

Ah right fair enough! That sounds different to how previous operators have done it.
All 4 units that have left Aycliffe are covered in stickers which are quality control issues that need fixing. I would of thought Avanti would not accept any unit unless it was fit for traffic to the standard they need.

I would have thought this was maybe still an unaccepted unit, that Hitachi were allowing Avanti drivers use, I didn’t realise that Avanti actually had any drivers that were trained on them.

 

[Pumbaa]

Avanti have accepted it, however it is still subject to fault free running which will be done alongside driver training. It's a fairly new method, but Avanti aren't the first to do it like this I believe
.

Most TOCs moved away from it because it always meant trouble - an issue or delay with FFR would impact training or vv. I’m guessing that Avanti have a level of confidence in the 80x as a mature platform rather than a new design that they’ll be able to work round it.

 

[E6007]

According to realtimetrains, 805002 out again today on:
5Q45 07:09 Oxley to Euston via Stafford,
5Q46 11:02 Euston to Crewe and
5Q47 13:16 Crewe to Oxley
Same as yesterday but with 5Q headcodes vice 3B90, 3U91 and 5G92

 

[Boodiggy]

Strange they were not running under a Q headcode as they are not cleared for all routes yet.
A Q code means everyone is more vigilant.

 

[E6007]

Strange they were not running under a Q headcode as they are not cleared for all routes yet.
A Q code means everyone is more vigilant.

Looks to me that not using Q codes on Monday was a mistake. Yesterday and today they appear to be using Q codes. Given the WTT has B, U and G for the "as required" services, it was probably a mistake of omission (not making a change) rather than anything else

An 805 was also being tested between Rugby and Coventry last night with more runs planned for tonight. Starts and finishes at Oxley

 

[Boodiggy]

Mistake considering it went via Alsager for where it is not cleared yet

 

[E6007]

Mistake considering it went via Alsager for where it is not cleared yet

What did when?

 

[sprinterguy]

What did when?

805002 working 5G92 13:10 Crewe - Oxley went via Alsager on Monday:

Realtime Trains | 5G92 1310 Crewe to Oxley Car. M.D. | 31/07/2023

Real-time train running information for 5G92 1310 departure from Crewe to Oxley Car. M.D. on 31/07/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Boodiggy]

And that’s why it is back to a Q….

 

[800001]

Avanti have accepted it, however it is still subject to fault free running which will be done alongside driver training. It's a fairly new method, but Avanti aren't the first to do it like this I believe
.

Announced Internally at Avanti yesterday that 805002 has been accepted.
Announced externally tomorrow.

805008 visible outside Hitachi Factory this afternoon

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Announced Internally at Avanti yesterday that 805002 has been accepted.
Announced externally tomorrow.

When will they put a livery on them as currently they are plain white?

 

[The_Train]

805008 visible outside Hitachi Factory this afternoon

Thanks for the update. I just have 009-013 having not been sighted as of yet

 

[800001]

Thanks for the update. I just have 009-013 having not been sighted as of yet

No, not sighted as yet,

 

[matt]

Here is what an 805 might look like when they receive the Avanti livery.

(A 00 gauge 805 model as seen at Making Tracks 3 at Chester)

 

[pokemonsuper9]

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Here is what an 805 might look like when they receive the Avanti livery.

(A 00 gauge 805 model as seen at Making Tracks 3 at Chester)

Looks great! The Avanti livery is a great one in my opinion (although I can't name any liveries I don't like )
It's also nice to have another look at the livery compared to the 1 art of it I've seen (attached for reference)

 

[rdlover777]

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Here is what an 805 might look like when they receive the Avanti livery.

(A 00 gauge 805 model as seen at Making Tracks 3 at Chester)

When the 805s and 807s were shown via the concept image, i made a side view of both of them

 

[jagardner1984]

When the 805s and 807s were shown via the concept image, i made a side view of both of them

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Surely if DfT’s accountants get a whiff of this …. Those big sticker sections seem awfully expensive, perhaps we can elongate the nice free white sections a bit

 

[rdlover777]

Surely if DfT’s accountants get a whiff of this …. Those big sticker sections seem awfully expensive, perhaps we can elongate the nice free white sections a bit

i just tried to make it resemble how the Avanti livery looks on the 390s

 

[43055]

View attachment 140418
Here is what an 805 might look like when they receive the Avanti livery.

(A 00 gauge 805 model as seen at Making Tracks 3 at Chester)

I like it. I wonder if this could a pre production model as Hornsby were going to announce the 805 this year but it got pulled.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Morning

Any news on any more planned test runs of the 805 along the North Wales Coast please?

Dave

 

[RobShipway]

Not sure if it is class 805, but there was Crewe South Yard at 06:34 to Holyhead as 3Q70, which seems to return as 3Q71 travelling from Holyhead at 10:59. You then have 3Q74 from Crewe at 15:29 which gets to Holyhead 17:55 then leaves Holyhead at 1804 as 3Q75 and arrives Crewe at 2036. Then as 3Q76 from Crewe 2120 arriving Llandudno Junction at 2238. Then returns as 3Q77 at 2244 arriving Crewe South Yard 0028.

However, details state pathed as class 158/168/170/175.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Not sure if it is class 805, but there was Crewe South Yard at 06:34 to Holyhead as 3Q70, which seems to return as 3Q71 travelling from Holyhead at 10:59. You then have 3Q74 from Crewe at 15:29 which gets to Holyhead 17:55 then leaves Holyhead at 1804 as 3Q75 and arrives Crewe at 2036. Then as 3Q76 from Crewe 2120 arriving Llandudno Junction at 2238. Then returns as 3Q77 at 2244 arriving Crewe South Yard 0028.

However, details state pathed as class 158/168/170/175.

197s they'll be.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The clue last week for 805 workings Crewe-Llandudno Jn was the timing path being for a class 221.