Progress on Avanti West Coast's 805/807s Hitachi AT300 sets

[800001]

Any idea which Avanti unit it was?

Any of 805010 - 805013.

 

[sprinterguy]

Out of curiosity, would anyone happen to know which 805 was on 5Q90 Oxley - Crewe this morning?

Realtime Trains | 5Q90 0745 Oxley Car. M.D. to Crewe | 25/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q90 0745 departure from Oxley Car. M.D. to Crewe on 25/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Thanks in advance.

 

[Zeremony]

805008 was on the 5Q90 0914 Edge Hill Depot to London Euston.
Arrived into Euston at 1157

 

[Danfilm007]

805008 was on the 5Q90 0914 Edge Hill Depot to London Euston.
Arrived into Euston at 1157

Acceptance mileage?

 

[Jamesrob637]

Acceptance mileage?

Back on its way as the below, thereby freeing up Platform 8 at EUS for the Friday evening rush:

Realtime Trains | 5Q92 1403 London Euston to Oxley Car. M.D. | 26/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q92 1403 departure from London Euston to Oxley Car. M.D. on 26/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Danfilm007]

Back on its way as the below, thereby freeing up Platform 8 at EUS for the Friday evening rush:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:s07131/2024-01-26/detailed

Ta! I see they cancelled it at Crewe

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Wikipedia cites Page 9 of the January 2024 issue of Rail Express (issue number 332) as saying that the introduction into service of these trains is now planned for Summer 2024:

So the same First Group that got these into traffic on Lumo pretty quickly now want to drag this out but then they aren't taking any financial just sending the bill to DafT. This is the industries problem and it needs to set up a taskforce with the unions and the suppliers to sort out how long its taken to get new stock into service.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Back on its way as the below, thereby freeing up Platform 8 at EUS for the Friday evening rush:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:s07131/2024-01-26/detailed

Seems around 14:00 is a good time to see one leaving Euston - in my limited experience.

 

[steeevooo]

So the same First Group that got these into traffic on Lumo pretty quickly now want to drag this out but then they aren't taking any financial just sending the bill to DafT. This is the industries problem and it needs to set up a taskforce with the unions and the suppliers to sort out how long its taken to get new stock into service.

How do you know that it's FirstGroup specifically dragging it out? Also Lumo was an entirely new operation so would surely be easier to get up and running instead of having to deal with existing fleet, existing personnel and existing baggage (not the physical kind!).

 

[92002]

How do you know that it's FirstGroup specifically dragging it out? Also Lumo was an entirely new operation so would surely be easier to get up and running instead of having to deal with existing fleet, existing personnel and existing baggage (not the physical kind!).

As part of the construction process, each train needs to complete a pre-determined mileage accumulation process. If there are any problems the clock starts again at zero mileage.
Lumo is built to it's specification and is an electric only train. The 807 will be similar but not the same as a Lumo. Although the 807 is built to another specification and has more coaches.
The 805 is a dual mode train similar to the LNER Azuma but built to a Avanti specification.

During the acceptance process the trains are crewed by GBRF. Then Avanti needs to train their train crew on the new trains. So it is a conract thing that the trains will not be used in service till probably around June.

So much patience is necessary till trains are cleared to carry passengers and Hitachi are finally paid for construction.

 

[Welshguy1048]

Morning

Just spotted this STP path for an 805 to Holyhead on Monday morning - no return yet...

Could this be it is going to be left at Holyhead....?

Realtime Trains | 5Q48 0752 Oxley Car. M.D. to Holyhead | 19/02/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q48 0752 departure from Oxley Car. M.D. to Holyhead on 19/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Dave

 

[800001]

Morning

Just spotted this STP path for an 805 to Holyhead on Monday morning - no return yet...

Could this be it is going to be left at Holyhead....?

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:s06688/2024-02-19/detailed

Dave

Most likely the return path either hasn’t been submitted, or hasn’t yet been created/uploaded by NWR.

 

[DaveyJones]

Is this the return?

Realtime Trains | 5Q49 1411 Holyhead to Oxley Car. M.D. | 23/02/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q49 1411 departure from Holyhead to Oxley Car. M.D. on 23/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Welshguy1048]

Yes it is

I didn't look that far ahead!

 

[Carlisle]

During the acceptance process the trains are crewed by GBRF. Then Avanti needs to train their train crew on the new trains.

That’s what I thought too, but another poster claimed they’re actually being driven by Avanti Driver Managers.

 

[92002]

That’s what I thought too, but another poster claimed they’re actually being driven by Avanti Driver Managers.

Guess that will be the start of Avanti training. It needs to start shortly for a June roll out in service

 

[800001]

That’s what I thought too, but another poster claimed they’re actually being driven by Avanti Driver Managers.

There’s a mix of trains out and about.

Some are still Hitachi/Gbrf runs, others are operated and crewed by Avanti.

 

[GhostManDN91]

Where's the best place to see these new trains on test runs? Also are they out every day now?

 

[Carlisle]

There’s a mix of trains out and about.

Some are still Hitachi/Gbrf runs, others are operated and crewed by Avanti.

Ok thanks.

 

[DaveyJones]

Ok thanks.

You can tell by checking who the operator of the service is on RealTimeTrains

 

[Boodiggy]

I understand there is now an agreement to train drivers once sufficient instructors are ready.
I don’t know the full details but I believe the agreement will be reviewed regularly so I assume there are still risks about the passing out of enough drivers to be ready for the Voyagers being sent back on time.

 

[childwallblues]

I understand there is now an agreement to train drivers once sufficient instructors are ready.
I don’t know the full details but I believe the agreement will be reviewed regularly so I assume there are still risks about the passing out of enough drivers to be ready for the Voyagers being sent back on time.

Which depots train crews will need to be trained on the 805s?

 

[Mollman]

Where's the best place to see these new trains on test runs? Also are they out every day now?

Crewe always seems a good place to see new stock on test

 

[Boodiggy]

Which depots train crews will need to be trained on the 805s?

As far as I know it is only the driver managers and some instructors trained so far so I would assume a substantial number of drivers will need released to be trained in the coming months for all depots.

 

[800001]

As far as I know it is only the driver managers and some instructors trained so far so I would assume a substantial number of drivers will need released to be trained in the coming months for all depots.

Excluding Glasgow as they will not be diagrammed to go north of Preston, unless things have changed

 

[craigybagel]

Which depots train crews will need to be trained on the 805s?

Holyhead and Liverpool will have to sign them for Holyhead and Wrexham services, and 1 link at Wolverhampton for Shrewsbury. With 807s expected to run some West Midlands & Liverpool services you can probably add the other links at Wolverhampton and at least some Euston drivers to that. According to a Preston driver I spoke to recently one link there will be signing them as well.

 

[Boodiggy]

Holyhead and Liverpool will have to sign them for Holyhead and Wrexham services, and 1 link at Wolverhampton for Shrewsbury. With 807s expected to run some West Midlands & Liverpool services you can probably add the other links at Wolverhampton and at least some Euston drivers to that. According to a Preston driver I spoke to recently one link there will be signing them as well.

Must be for the Blackpool’s…

Excluding Glasgow as they will not be diagrammed to go north of Preston, unless things have changed

Of course. I should have made that clear.

 

[Welshguy1048]

19/02/24 - Avanti West Coast Class 805 - 805005 - Oxley Car M.D. to Holyhead - Test Run

 

[baker_06]

Holyhead and Liverpool will have to sign them for Holyhead and Wrexham services, and 1 link at Wolverhampton for Shrewsbury. With 807s expected to run some West Midlands & Liverpool services you can probably add the other links at Wolverhampton and at least some Euston drivers to that. According to a Preston driver I spoke to recently one link there will be signing them as well.

Avanti are withdrawing the Shrewsbury service from June (DfT request apparently).

 

[Bletchleyite]

Avanti are withdrawing the Shrewsbury service from June (DfT request apparently).

Not massively surprised; with 2tph of connections via Birmingham New St/International a one off through service isn't going to be very attractive to most unless the time really suits. The unit would be better used on getting Chester closer to hourly again.