Thanks, the route out to Balham from Victoria we're aware of (have got the nessessary data, just need to process it). However the Purley and Earlswood situation I was not aware of, think I know why, but will take a look.https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L45745/2023-04-19/detailed
Clapham Junction, Balham, Earlswood (Surrey), Purley all show as TRUST (Smart)
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I've re-checked now, and it's also showing that at Three Bridges. Other services don't seem to report TRUST (Smart) when passing Three Bridges, so might be an anomaly.
This Thameslink service (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L62673/2023-04-19/detailed) also reports it for South Croydon and Norwood Junction, Bricklayers Junction and New Cross Gate. Same also relayed with another TL service too: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L62840/2023-04-19/detailed.
Beginning to think there might be NR data feed issues today, but will take a look anyhow.
12LDA28C
Established Member
It's already possible to do this on RTT. You can do it by train, see which platform it arrives in at destination, then RTT will show the next train to depart that platform and its formation. I've used this feature before to find out where a particular unit will finish at the end of the day.
I believe they mean for RTT to do automatically without needing to do the legwork yourself. For instance this service has a helpful link telling you the next working from Darlington:
Realtime Trains | 2D45 1722 Saltburn to Darlington | 19/04/2023
Real-time train running information for 2D45 1722 departure from Saltburn to Darlington on 19/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Wheras at the Saltburn end you have to do it manually.
12LDA28C
Established Member
I believe they mean for RTT to do automatically without needing to do the legwork yourself. For instance this service has a helpful link telling you the next working from Darlington:
Realtime Trains | 2D45 1722 Saltburn to Darlington | 19/04/2023
Real-time train running information for 2D45 1722 departure from Saltburn to Darlington on 19/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Wheras at the Saltburn end you have to do it manually.
Fair enough. It doesn't take more than a couple of minutes 'legwork' so not really hugely inconvenient.
Well no it isn't (though it can be tricky for busy stations) but it would certainly be a nice quality of life improvement if it could be expanded.
This is my main issue, take Paddington for example, there are hundreds of workings an hour, with XR, GW and XC, and it is easy to miss a working at a platform and skip to the next one.
So - a platform number filter won't happen on any free version of RTT. Frankly, we get too many queries from TOCs for it wanting it on the public version: that alone puts me off from doing it. It will, when it turns up, appear in a paid-for ad-free version.
The QoL improvement we're intending to do won't do next workings as that's an enthusiast thing (so may turn up in a paid for version in future) but more akin to what the likes of FlightAware currently does.
The QoL improvement we're intending to do won't do next workings as that's an enthusiast thing (so may turn up in a paid for version in future) but more akin to what the likes of FlightAware currently does.
TT-ONR-NRN
Veteran Member
Without doubt I’d pay for a version that showed all TOC allocations if that became something in the future Greater Anglia allox would be invaluable.
Greater Anglia allox would be invaluable.
Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this but as I search various locations dated 26/27th April hundreds of services are missing! The below screenshot shows the results when searching all departures from Manchester Piccadilly on 26th April. Everything is missing between 0300 and 1530 (save for a couple), and this is happening everywhere I search! I can still access individual services by following the “service forms…” links.
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On the Exmouth-Paigntons, not only are services missing, but some services that were there have disappearred next time I look. For example, RTT now says only one service at Exmouth on 26/4, and none at all on 27/4. But at least some of them were there when I looked yesterday, and @SJ21 confirmed (in another post) that they were running.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
For comparison, this is 28/4 (until these also disappear
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Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 26/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 26/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 27/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 27/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
For comparison, this is 28/4 (until these also disappear
)Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 28/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 28/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Thanks
On the Exmouth-Paigntons, not only are services missing, but some services that were there have disappearred next time I look. For example, RTT now says only one service at Exmouth on 26/4, and none at all on 27/4. But at least some of them were there when I looked yesterday, and @SJ21 confirmed (in another post) that they were running.
Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 26/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 26/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 27/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 27/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
For comparison, this is 28/4 (until these also disappear
Realtime Trains | Departures from Exmouth all day on 28/04/2023
Train information at Exmouth all day on 28/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Thanks
I think the RTT team have posted on here multiple times before - this forum isn’t a support pathway actively monitored by them.
While the heads up to others is of course welcome; I trust you’ve followed up by contacting RTT about the issues you are having?
Yep, fair point, I've done that now.
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The issue mentioned above has been identified - it has been caused by a new TOC code appearing from the 25th causing slightly unexpected behaviour. The TOC code is #| and has appeared on a number of freight schedules operated by Colas.
Those of a technical nature will understand if I say that parameterised queries have caused it...
Those of a technical nature will understand if I say that parameterised queries have caused it...
Strat-tastic
Established Member
Oh those pesky parameterised queries 
Are you sure Realtimetrains have added this as custom data, or could it be in the open data feed?
Maybe Little Bobby Tables has grown up and started his own freight company
I think Little Bobby Tables has much to answer for in this instance - it’s actually highlighted an issue in the database driver for the DB engine in question, as I was handing it data designated as non-parameterised!
Deepgreen
Established Member
Just a small query. On Realtime Trains (RTT), some workings which reverse en route are shown as "Service Reverses Here", while others on the same route are not shown with that text. I have recently noticed several workings from the North Downs Line to Tonbridge, which reverse at Redhill, not showing the text, while others have done. Is there a rationale behind this or is it simply a data entry issue? Apologies if this is covered elesewhere - couldn't find it on a quick search.
Its a data entry issue on Network Rails side.
Deepgreen
Established Member
I suspected so - thanks.
william.martin
On Moderation
Why is crosscountry's 221128 showing to be on an Avanti service and is showing with an Avanti voyager 'know your train diagram'?
Is it a typo on NR's side?
Looks like a typo by whoever put the VSTP schedule in. It was an XC empty with a unit ex 1V49.
william.martin
On Moderation
Oh, ok - if 221128 was an Avanti unit I would of gone mad with my self for not knowing
It purely depends on whether the schedule has the RM activity code in the field for that location. It's not added automatically, so if both the TOC and Network Rail planners forget to add it, it won't be present. It's not crucial unless the service in question has actual, physical seat reservations - which GWR's Thames Valley Turbo services don't.