Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive - wanting fewer restrictions and wanting to enforce those you do have.Is this the same 'libertarian' who ordered not one, not two, but THREE water cannons expressly to use against his own citizens?
Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive - wanting fewer restrictions and wanting to enforce those you do have.Is this the same 'libertarian' who ordered not one, not two, but THREE water cannons expressly to use against his own citizens?
Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive - wanting fewer restrictions and wanting to enforce those you do have.
law which is easy to comply with, simple, understandable
Nothing like the assorted coronavirus laws, then...
Only the USA has a higher level of international travel than the UK.I think one theory is that we suffered due to a high level of international travel meaning that at the point it was taken seriously the UK was already riddled with Covid - ie there were far more individual outbreaks than Sweden had, which makes the lower level of restrictions less effective, and suppression far harder. I don’t know whether the right data even exists to confirm/deny that theory.
Only the USA has a higher level of international travel than the UK.
How many is a lot though - there aren’t that many Swedes and they have their own skiing!From what I've read, we had a lot of infected people come back from ski-ing holidays who started spreading it. But so did Sweden.
I would have thought this sort of thing rather messes up attempts to calculate R but maybe at that point we didn't have enough information to do so anyway.
Don’t post this on social media, for God’s sake.I've just discovered one incidental advantage of the rule of 6: the bottle of champagne I ordered for our birthday lunch today for a 90-year old friend neatly filled 6 flutes. It seems the over-70s are determined to get out and enjoy dining out while they can, as there were 3 other tables occupied besides ours (by 3 groups of 4 ladies), and to judge from appearances I think I was the youngest in the room at 72. Our table had a 92 year old, the 90 year old, an 89 year old, 84, 79 and 72. Who said anything about shielding?
Don’t post this on social media, for God’s sake.
You’ll get people screaming ‘They’re killing young people!!!’
How many is a lot though - there aren’t that many Swedes and they have their own skiing!
Apologies if this isn't necessarily the right topic but there's another interesting YouGov poll out relating to the rule of 6. What surprised me the most was that Conservative voters seem the most likely to report someone to the police for breaking the law, including almost 1 in 10 who would 'shop' immediate family. Context about online polls not being accurate apply but this was a full poll - fieldwork here
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What's the methodology of this poll? If it's online, then it's not worth the paper it isn't printed on.
It's online, but it's not a snap response one or anything like a Twitter poll. The polls where they put together a representative panel of a couple of thousand people like this are the modern equivalent of the old 1000-person telephone polls. In fact are probably more reliable than telephone polling can manage now, because so few people have landlines or are willing to answer the phone to unknown numbers generally.What's the methodology of this poll? If it's online, then it's not worth the paper it isn't printed on.
It's online, but it's not a snap response one or anything like a Twitter poll. The polls where they put together a representative panel of a couple of thousand people like this are the modern equivalent of the old 1000-person telephone polls. In fact are probably more reliable than telephone polling can manage now, because so few people have landlines or are willing to answer the phone to unknown numbers generally.
Possible suggestion for that result: this policy is being peddled by Tory politicians, especially Priti Patel, where because tribal politics is so embedded in the political landscape here there's a good chance the reason Tory voters are polling the highest is because some of them just like the politicians giving the order, so will do so on the basis they suck up to whatever is asked by those they "admire", regardless of any resultant consequences.Apologies if this isn't necessarily the right topic but there's another interesting YouGov poll out relating to the rule of 6. What surprised me the most was that Conservative voters seem the most likely to report someone to the police for breaking the law, including almost 1 in 10 who would 'shop' immediate family. Context about online polls not being accurate apply but this was a full poll - fieldwork here
I can't picture even the most ardent Tory voter actually liking Priti Patel. Her message to them may have been a bit undermined by Boris of course, who today suggesting that only people sharing hot tubs should be reported and that he didn't much like this "report everything" culture.Possible suggestion for that result: this policy is being peddled by Tory politicians, especially Priti Patel, where because tribal politics is so embedded in the political landscape here there's a good chance the reason Tory voters are polling the highest is because some of them just like the politicians giving the order, so will do so on the basis they suck up to whatever is asked by those they "admire", regardless of any resultant consequences.
How many are listening or paying attention anymore? Have the previous stipulations been communicated or enforced sufficiently for people to think there is a realistic chance of being caught? Hence the need for ever more draconian restrictions, headline grabbing fines (which are maximums for outrageous behavior only) and conversion of 'advice' to 'law'. The message changes frequently so it is difficult to keep up. Even the rule of six is muddled by families and bubbles.I went out for a few hours this afternoon on this pleasant warm day to make the most of this warm weather whilst it lasts just a few more days, before it turns more autumnal from Wednesday. And also we could well be within the last 2 or 3 days now before we go into a bloody national lockdown again!!
Anyway I went to Warleigh Weir, which is just past Bath. A pleasant place to relax, sunbathe and swim by the River Avon.
I was a little surprised though as a number of people were ignoring "The rule of six". Seen a number of groups of young people which were more than 6 people! Some were groups of about 8, some about 12 or so, and even one group of about 20 odd people!
This is more about authoritarianism vs libertarianism, not left vs right. The "political compass" is very complex!I'm actually surprised that the Tories are higher in all categories - it often seems to be the left wing which gets most het up about following restrictions.
That sounds like typical authoritarianism to me; they are very keen to impose their rules on others but not so keen to do it themselves. I'd never go back there!Rather depressing atmosphere in the whole place and fairly average food. Staff standing behind the bar gossiping not distancing. Also given a lecture on mask wearing and the tick-box one-way system before we sat down.
Needless to say the place was deserted (us and another couple). Won't be back in a hurry.
How many are listening or paying attention anymore? Have the previous stipulations been communicated or enforced sufficiently for people to think there is a realistic chance of being caught? Hence the need for ever more draconian restrictions, headline grabbing fines (which are maximums for outrageous behavior only) and conversion of 'advice' to 'law'. The message changes frequently so it is difficult to keep up. Even the rule of six is muddled by families and bubbles.
He doesn’t have a choice. Sounding ominous gets quite a few people to take current restrictions more seriously, and is politically free, whilst those who won’t change because he’s a bit threatening just aren’t going to change anyway - they have made their mind up and only enforcement will really change their behaviour.The threatening tone coming from people like Hancock doesn’t help get people on side.