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Exactly, a hollow apology along the lines of “nothing to see here move on” :{
But it's notable that he felt that he had to offer something at all. Sure it's meaningless (and I note that he apologised but didn't claim responsibility, so er, what exactly is he apologising for anyway?) but Russia and Putin never normally apologise for their various atrocities. They usually either deny they happened or claim it was someone else who did it anyway (that was the approach taken with MH17, that it was rebel forces or maybe Ukrainians).

The fact that he's offered any apology at all, as empty as it may be, speaks a lot to how vulnerable he must feel with regards to his relations with states like Azerbaijan and the importance of trying to maintain them.
 

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Two wounded North Korean soldiers have been captured as prisoners of war by Ukrainian troops in Russia's Kursk Oblast, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Saturday.

Says one of them had fake identity documents provided by Russia (not exactly surprising), and that he was told he was going to Russia for training rather than to fight, so doesn't sound like he volunteered to go.
 

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Russia targeted and hit today the New Safe Confinement of Chornobyl NPP's Reactor #4.


Russian drone attack damages Chernobyl nuclear plant's protective shield, no radiation leak reported​

By Sasha Vakulina
Published on 14/02/2025 - 9:51 GMT+1, Updated 9:52


A protective shield over the destroyed fourth reactor of the Chernobyl nuclear plant has been struck overnight by a Russian attack drone carrying a high-explosive warhead, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

Chernobyl nuclear power plant was hit by a Russian attack overnight, striking a protective shield over its destroyed fourth reactor, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

The structure, known as the New Safe Confinement, was built through international cooperation to contain the remnants of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. It was designed to prevent radiation leaks and safeguard the site and the broader area from environmental hazards.

According to Ukraine’s president, the strike by a Russian attack drone carrying a high-explosive warhead damaged the dome, but the fire was extinguished, and radiation levels remained stable.

The situation is being monitored to assess any potential risks.

Zelenskyy posted a video of the explosion on social media showing the moment of impact, calling the attack "a terrorist threat to the entire world".

"The only country in the world that attacks such sites, occupies nuclear power plants, and wages war without any regard for the consequences is today's Russia."

The attack underscores Russia's continued disregard for global security, Zelensky added.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has confirmed the explosion and the resulting damage took place. A drone struck the roof of the shield, the organisation reported.

"Radiation levels inside and outside remain normal and stable. IAEA continues monitoring the situation," the agency said in a statement on X.

Chernobyl, the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster, remains a highly sensitive location. The explosion of the plant's reactor on 26 April 1986 contaminated a vast area spanning Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.

The site is located around 130 kilometres north of Kyiv. Russian forces briefly occupied it in the early days of the full-scale invasion.

Zelenskyy, who is in Munich to participate in the security conference and the first meetings with the US administration for a possible peace deal with Moscow, said, "Russia continues to expand its army and shows no change in its deranged, anti-human state rhetoric."

"This means that Putin is definitely not preparing for negotiations — he is preparing to continue deceiving the world."

The head of Ukraine's presidential office Andriy Yermak said on Telegram that Kyiv will pass on all the information about the Chernobyl attack to the US administrations at the Munich Security Conference.

“Today we will give a lot of information to our American partners about the Russian attack on the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, about how they are constantly flying drones over the Chernobyl zone, about the threats to the shelter and nuclear safety that they pose," Yermak said.

He added that "everyone is very angry about this news here in Munich."

“In the 80s, the whole world helped the Kremlin to eliminate this tragedy, when Moscow threw unprotected people into radiation. Then the whole world invested in the shelter”.
 

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Russia targeted and hit today the New Safe Confinement of Chornobyl NPP's Reactor #4.
Those poor Russians! Why does Ukraine want this war? First they forced Russia to invade, then they forced the Russians to bomb a theatre with a thousand children in it, then they forced the Russians to destroy the Kharkiv hydroelectric plant, then they forced the Russians to shoot down an airliner. Now they're making the Russians attack a nuclear power plant!

When will it stop? When will the Ukrainians leave these unfortunate, peaceful Russians alone?
 

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Those poor Russians! Why does Ukraine want this war? First they forced Russia to invade, then they forced the Russians to bomb a theatre with a thousand children in it, then they forced the Russians to destroy the Kharkiv hydroelectric plant, then they forced the Russians to shoot down an airliner. Now they're making the Russians attack a nuclear power plant!

When will it stop? When will the Ukrainians leave these unfortunate, peaceful Russians alone?
Apparently the wind is currently westerly, towards Russia...
 

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Those poor Russians! Why does Ukraine want this war? First they forced Russia to invade, then they forced the Russians to bomb a theatre with a thousand children in it, then they forced the Russians to destroy the Kharkiv hydroelectric plant, then they forced the Russians to shoot down an airliner. Now they're making the Russians attack a nuclear power plant!

When will it stop? When will the Ukrainians leave these unfortunate, peaceful Russians alone?
Great post ;)

Maybe ‘The Donald’ should invite Putin for afternoon tea & ask him along the lines of…..

“So Vlad as you & your people are so persecuted what do you want?

Whatever you want you take it Vlad especially from those nasty Ukrainians, then if you fancy move on & grab Georgia, Latvia, Estonia etc as so much to get your hands on, let’s not forget Poland Vlad, we can always meet up over a bowl of borscht & talk it through…….

Oh wait…..
 

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Those poor Russians! Why does Ukraine want this war? First they forced Russia to invade, then they forced the Russians to bomb a theatre with a thousand children in it, then they forced the Russians to destroy the Kharkiv hydroelectric plant, then they forced the Russians to shoot down an airliner. Now they're making the Russians attack a nuclear power plant!

When will it stop? When will the Ukrainians leave these unfortunate, peaceful Russians alone?

You've missed out that the poor Russians will have a massive bill to fit to pay for this unfortunately event and will also realise that the 'land' they will inherit from Ukraine will be mud death trap fields, blown out abandoned towns and mines/ old warfare everywhere which will cost a fortune to turn back into usable land and homes.
 

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You've missed out that the poor Russians will have a massive bill to fit to pay for this unfortunately event and will also realise that the 'land' they will inherit from Ukraine will be mud death trap fields, blown out abandoned towns and mines/ old warfare everywhere which will cost a fortune to turn back into usable land and homes.

Maybe Trump plans to buy that land, clear it and turn into a new Riviera on the Black Sea?
 

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Maybe Trump plans to buy that land, clear it and turn into a new Riviera on the Black Sea?

Development paid by the Europeans, who will also have to take in all the Ukrainian refugees without question, Ukrainians that will be forced out of their land because "it's currently uninhabitable".
 

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Any thoughts on how Trump and co's "concessions" to Putin are going to play out for Ukraine and Europe?
 

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Any thoughts on how Trump and co's "concessions" to Putin are going to play out for Ukraine and Europe?

It’s difficult to tell at this stage in my opinion.

The narrative is that Trump and Putin are buddies, and Trump wants to make a deal (a great deal, the best deal the world has ever seen etc. etc.). In the process, Ukraine (and Europe) will be sidelined and royally shafted.

The thing is though, Trump is completely unpredictable and has his own style of “diplomacy”. In the last couple of days he’s decided Ukraine will be invited to any peace talks after all, and Vance has stated that the US has military as well as economic “levers” which appears to have rattled the Kremlin.

I think it’s entirely possible that Trump intends to use the situation to Force Europe (and the rest of NATO) to step up or else, and if they agree to his demands he’ll offer Putin minimal concessions that he can either take or leave. Putin does look a bit of a loser after his failed SMO after all, surely?

To be clear, I’m as concerned as the next person when it comes to what happens next, however I don’t fully subscribe to the doom laden prophecies we’re being fed currently. Of course I may be being hopelessly optimistic, but Trump has form for doing the unexpected.
 

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JD Vance just came to Europe to tell in our faces that European countries are undemocratic, censoring and a bigger danger to themselves than Russia and China.

WE ARE OURSELVES MORE DANGEROUS TO US THAN F*dsaCN8 RUSSIA!?!?!?
 

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JD Vance just came to Europe to tell in our faces that European countries are undemocratic, censoring and a bigger danger to themselves than Russia and China.

WE ARE OURSELVES MORE DANGEROUS TO US THAN F*dsaCN8 RUSSIA!?!?!?
He sounds like someone that should be making that statement in a JD Wetherspoon, not the world stage!
 

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I agree that Trump is unpredictable.

His team is also made up with people with contradictory ideas and values. Plus, it seems to me, some of what Trump or one of his team says one day gets back peddled or amended later on by either another member of his team or by an official spokesperson. It makes it hard to know what to believe. Are some of the very public announcements just to play to his M.A.G.A. supporters? Or are they to intimidate everyone else?

The most important point though is that Ukraine doesn’t have to agree to the terms of a Trump peace plan. As long as the other countries that currently support them maintain or better yet, increase support, Ukraine may be able to hang on until Russian military resources drop to a level such that they, the Russians, can no longer make advances or continue to defend the current front line. Or until Russia experiences internal failure, either economic or political.

Having said that, Ukraine does have to try to stay in favour with Trump. And even if Trump gets annoyed, I don't think he will ban sales of U.S. made weapons to Ukraine. But they or a supporting country may have to buy or lease them.

Similarly, with regards to defence spending by N.A.T.O. member countries, I agree that given the threat from Russia and Trumps views, we (N.A.T.O. member countries) need to treat the U.S.A. as an unreliable N.A.T.O. member. And hence step up military funding and capabilities, including the development of our own weapons systems that don't need permission from the U.S.A. to be used and which can be manufactured outside the U.S.A.

JD Vance just came to Europe to tell in our faces that European countries are undemocratic, censoring and a bigger danger to themselves than Russia and China.

WE ARE OURSELVES MORE DANGEROUS TO US THAN F*dsaCN8 RUSSIA!?!?!?
JD Vance and some the other M.A.G.A. team members talk trash. Vance says this (as does Musk) because they don't like other countries standing up and defending themselves against U.S.A. companies. They don't care for or respect other peoples values. To them money and power is king. You only have to look at how Trump, Musk etc. are ignoring the U.S. constitution and that they are angry at the Judges and the courts that have ruled against them.
 

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One thing that's said about Trump is that he agrees with the last person he spoke to. So possibly after going through what Hegesth was to say in Europe he spoke to someone else and had second thoughts that he communicated to Rubio, thus explaining why they contradicted each other.
 

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One thing that's said about Trump is that he agrees with the last person he spoke to.
Or the last thing he saw on TV. That's why presenters on Fox News often talk directly to him.

It is, unfortunately, yet another sign of incipient dementia.
 

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Hesgeth was a Fox News presenter, not actually that highly qualified as a military man but obviously Trump gave him the top job anyway. He has been quite anti-Ukraine on Fox, but remember some of that would have been motivated by the fact Biden was supporting Ukraine and therefore due to the partisan nonsense that is US politics he was obliged to go against this support.


Some of the tech oligarchs adjacent to Musk (Sachs, Thiel) are also very onboard with the Russian narrative over Ukraine and it is them ultimately pulling the strings too.
 

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Some of the tech oligarchs adjacent to Musk (Sachs, Thiel) are also very onboard with the Russian narrative over Ukraine and it is them ultimately pulling the strings too.
That's something I don't completely understand. One would have expected them to favour a more pro-western regime in Russia - it's a market of a couple hundred million underserved consumers which they are largely locked out of.

The likes of Pepsi and McDonald's made a lot of money in the early 90s.
 

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And hence step up military funding and capabilities, including the development of our own weapons systems that don't need permission from the U.S.A. to be used and which can be manufactured outside the U.S.A.
Unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as that. A significant proportion of UK designed and manufactured weapons embody components and/or materials sourced or controlled by US manufacturers and are subject to 'End User' licensing under ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations). Where such components aren't available from non-regulated UK sources, the viability of developing alternative sources from non-US sourced itemsmaybe incompatible with supporting Ukraine in its current conflict.
 

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Unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as that. A significant proportion of UK designed and manufactured weapons embody components and/or materials sourced or controlled by US manufacturers and are subject to 'End User' licensing under ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations). Where such components aren't available from non-regulated UK sources, the viability of developing alternative sources from non-US sourced itemsmaybe incompatible with supporting Ukraine in its current conflict.
I don't believe that ITAR gives the USA any say over where weapons made with said components can be used.

Edit: Other than embargoed or sanctioned countries.
 

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That's something I don't completely understand. One would have expected them to favour a more pro-western regime in Russia - it's a market of a couple hundred million underserved consumers which they are largely locked out of.
The real enemy is the EU, mainly for consumer protection laws (GDPR etc.) and regulation of the tech giants. Big Data doesn’t like being told to behave. Russia being aligned against the EU and undermining it means they have a common enemy. See also the backing of Farage, AfD, Orban and so on.

I saw a succinct cartoon a couple of days ago which stated that Republicans want less government for the same reason criminals want less police. So they can get away with more. Think how Ryanair would behave with less regulation, think what the likes of Ticketmaster would do. That is exactly the sort of world they want. For all the faults of western capitalist/neoliberalism, there exists a kind of unspoken contract that you don’t completely take the ****. Even that is too much for some.
 

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I don't believe that ITAR gives the USA any say over where weapons made with said components can be used.

Edit: Other than embargoed or sanctioned countries.
Yes it does. Components that embody certain technologies that are designed into products for UK use require end user licensing. If those products are then offered to customers outside the UK, further licenses are required, (or may be refused) from the US).
 

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Yes it does. Components that embody certain technologies that are designed into products for UK use require end user licensing. If those products are then offered to customers outside the UK, further licenses are required, (or may be refused) from the US).
This appears to have been the reason Storm Shadow couldn't be used in recognised Russian territory until Biden gave permission for American weapons to be so used.
 

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This appears to have been the reason Storm Shadow couldn't be used in recognised Russian territory until Biden gave permission for American weapons to be so used.
Storm Shadow was restricted to attacking targets on Ukranian territory until Biden changed the terms of engagement for ATACMS - a US long range misile.
 

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The restrictions that prevented Storm Shadow from being used on Russian territory is the exact same reason why we need to develop our own technology or have a joint development with other selected European countries. I know the world has changed, but in the past we had a semiconductor industry in the U.K. for example.

Obviously this is going to take a considerable amount of time before any viable weapons reach pre-production status let alone enough become available for operational use. But we have to start somewhere. Otherwise we will be subject to partial control by whoever is in control in the U.S.A.
 

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I can remember not that long ago all the vitriol being vented against the idea of a European army. How much more appealing that concept now looks.

Trump wants Europe to increase its defence spending a) so that the US can decrease its spending (or redirect it elsewhere, to immigration control) and B) because he wants us to spend it on American arms products. But I think we need to make it clear that if he wants Europe to become more self sufficient, that will include becoming more self sufficient in where we get our arms from.

I wonder what the balance of trade is in arms? How many European arms does the US buy? If he wants parity in trade, surely it applies to arms too.
 

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