Stagecoach East Scotland

[overthewater]

Some of the changes:

No19A: Will no longer operate to Ferrytoll, instead after Camdean will operate down Kings road direct to Dockyard. Passengers will have to travel though the dockyard to get to Crossroads.

No50: Both Afternoon journeys will now operate to Dunfermline, with the second journey running 10mins earlier.

 

[jamieintercity]

Strange to see 53718 - SP61ABK, which is one of Strathtay's X7 Coast Rider's on the Citylink M9 from Glasgow - Aberdeen yesterday.

I believe a arbroath based E400 worked an X7 service from dundee to aberdeen last week but only went as far as arbroath

 

[Kiewii]

I believe a arbroath based E400 worked an X7 service from dundee to aberdeen last week but only went as far as arbroath

It was 19653

 

[david16]

With the X27 and some of the X24's and X26's entering the Forth Valley hospital grounds from 25th November, will doing the X38 and X27 combo ftom Falkirk to Glasgow prove to be more popular than the X37 Falkirk to Glasgow?

 

[Liam]

Probably, although it will depend on the price of each service. The Stagecoach services will take about 35m from FVH, the X37 takes 1h20m

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Well I think Perth's E400 19368 is close to having some problems, was on it yesterday and the diff on it was near deafening. And I thought they E400's were in pretty good mechanical nick...

 

[overthewater]

Been wondering when these two would be appearing. I think its just the No17 going to Park n ride.

PM0000004/27 - FIFE SCOTTISH OMNIBUSES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN FIFE, OFFICES 47-51, EVANS BUSINESS CENTRE, JOHN SMITH BUSINESS PARK, KIRKCALDY, KY2 6HD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Halbeath park & ride and Kelty, Black Road given service number 17/17A/17B effective from 25-Nov-2013. To amend Timetable.

PM0000004/82 - FIFE SCOTTISH OMNIBUSES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN FIFE, OFFICES 47-51, EVANS BUSINESS CENTRE, JOHN SMITH BUSINESS PARK, KIRKCALDY, KY2 6HD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Perth bus station and Halbeath park & ride given service number 56/56A/56B effective from 25-Nov-2013. To amend Timetable.

PM0000004/104 - FIFE SCOTTISH OMNIBUSES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN FIFE, OFFICES 47-51, EVANS BUSINESS CENTRE, JOHN SMITH BUSINESS PARK, KIRKCALDY, KY2 6HD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Glenrothes bus station and Perth bus station given service number 36/36A/36B effective from 25-Nov-2013. To amend Timetable.

 

[Liam]

What is happening to the 36? Also, 36B? 36B used to be the current 66 extended to Glenfarg.

Noticed a Stagecoach Strathtay bus on the X42 yesterday, think it was an ALX300, is one on loan to Glenrothes? Or has Dundee started doing the X42? Or somethhing else?

 

[overthewater]

X42 has always been shared between Glenrothes and Dundee.

 

[robertclark125]

Each depot has 2 diagrams on the X42.

 

[Kiewii]

Dundee tends to use the 58-reg Enviro 300s on the X42 (usually 27550 and 27552)

 

[Stan Drews]

A summary of the changes from 25th Nov, is now on the company website.
http://www.stagecoachbus.com/serviceupdatedetails.aspx?Id=8669

Stagecoach East Scotland would like to advise passnegers that a number of key public transport improvements will be introduced from the above date, which will result in several routes and timetables being revised.

1) The new Halbeath park & ride site will open offering improved links to both Edinburgh and Glasgow, as well as more locally to Dunfermline, Kelty and many other Fife communities.

2) A new partnership agreement between NHS Forth Valley, Falkirk Council and Stagecoach to divert some of our popular Fife – Glasgow express services via Forth Valley Royal Hospital at Larbert, as well as introducing some new early morning journeys.

3) A further 8 new luxury coaches will be added to our fleet, which will allow all our Fife – Glasgow services to be operated by these 61 seat coaches which offer leather seating, air-conditioning and complimentary wifi.


Brief details of these changes are outlined below, and new timetables will be available online from late October, and in our Travel Shops from early November.

Service 7: Dunfermline – Dalgety Bay – Burntisland – Kirkcaldy
The 0713 Dalgety Bay – Dunfermline Monday to Friday journey will run 5 minutes earlier.

Service 17: Kelty – Cowdenbeath – Crossgates – Halbeath Park & Ride
The route of this service will be extended to serve Halbeath park & ride, with minor changes to the timetable as a result. In addition buses will operate via Springhill Brae/Mossgreen in both directions instead of the current one-way clockwise loop, providing new journey opportunities to both Halbeath P&R and Cowdenbeath.

Service 19/19A/19B: Rosyth – Dunfermline – Halbeath Park & Ride – Cowdenbeath – Ballingry
This route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath P&R, with adjustments to the timetable as a result, although the basic frequency will be unchanged. Service 19A will no longer extend to Ferrytoll Park & Ride and will follow a revised route within Rosyth, operating direct from Camdean to Rosyth Dockyard/Hilton Road via Kings Road instead of Queensferry Road and the crossroads, therefore Castle Road will once again benefit from up to 6 journeys per hour. The vast majority of journeys arriving at Rosyth (Hilton Road or Dockyard) as service 19, will depart a few minutes later as service 19A (and vice versa), thus maintaining the link between Camdean and Rosyth Crossroads.

Service 35: Cupar – Newburgh – Perth
There will be some minor timetable adjustments to this service in order to provide better co-ordination with services 36 and 56 between Newburgh/Bridge of Earn and Perth.

Service 36: Glenrothes – Newburgh – Perth
A revised timetable will be introduced with most journeys departing Glenrothes and Perth up to 10 minutes earlier than at present, in order to provide better co-ordination with service 56 between Kintillo/Bridge of Earn and Perth.

Service 50: Dunfermline – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Leith
In order to improve reliability, the 0635 Dunfermline to Leith journey will operate 5 minutes earlier. The 0810 Ferrytoll to Leith journey will be revised to depart Ferrytoll at 0805 with some slight adjustments to the intermediate timings. The 1625 Leith to Ferrytoll journey will be extended to Dunfermline, and the 1745 Leith to Dunfermline journey will run 10 minutes earlier.

Service 53/X53: Dalgety Bay – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Edinburgh
The 0700 Ferrytoll to Dalgety Bay and 1814 Dalgety Bay to Ferrytoll journeys will be withdrawn.

Service 56/56A/56B: Halbeath Park & Ride – Kelty – Kinross – Bridge of Earn – Perth
The route of this service will be revised to serve both Halbeath park & ride and Kinross park & ride. A revised timetable will be introduced as a result incorporating new peak time journeys between Kelty and Halbeath Park & Ride, providing new journey opportunities and connections via the new park & ride facility. Within Kelty the majority of journeys will operate in both directions via Maryburgh or Black Road, Main Street, Kelty Cross, Cocklaw Street and M90 to/from Halbeath, with a small number of journeys continuing to operate to/from Cowdenbeath bus depot via Station Road, Kelty Junction, and Cowdenbeath High Street.

Service 71: Kincardine – Crombie – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Inverkeithing
The 0732 Ferrytoll to Rosyth Europarc journey will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.


Service 73B: Halbeath Park & Ride – Duloch Park – Rosyth – Ferrytoll Park & Ride
This peak time service will be revised to operate between Halbeath Park & Ride and Ferrytoll Park & Ride via Duloch Park, providing improved journey opportunities and connections. The section of the route between Woodmill surgery and Dunlin Drive will no longer be served.

New service 73X: Halbeath Park & Ride – Amazon
This new service operating daily will comprise of two journeys in each direction around the Amazon shift start and finish times, enabling connections with other services at Halbeath Park & Ride.

Service 99: St Andrews – Leuchars – Dundee
A new Monday to Friday journey from Dundee to St Andrews will be introduced departing Dundee bus station at 0827.

Service 747: Halbeath Park & Ride – Inverkeithing – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Edinburgh Airport
The route of this service will be extended to serve Halbeath Park & Ride, with adjustments to the timetable as a result. The evening frequency will be revised to operate every 40 minutes every night, however the basic daytime frequency of every 30 minutes will remain largely unchanged.

Service K3: Kirkcaldy bus station – Glen Bruar Place
On Sundays the 2230 Kirkcaldy bus station – Glen Bruar Place journey will run 2 minutes later.

Service K5: Kirkcaldy bus station – Templehall – Chapel Level
The 0723 Monday to Friday journey from Kirkcaldy bus station will run 2 minutes later. On Sundays the 2205 journey from Kirkcaldy bus station will additionally serve Chapel Level at the retail park at 2218 and will run 3 minutes later between Birnam Road and the bus station as a result.

New service X8: St Andrews – Leven – Kirkcaldy
This new limited stop service will replace the section of service X27 between St Andrews, Leven and Kirkcaldy operating via the same route and stops as currently used, plus Aberhill bus depot, which will be observed as a stopping point. The service will connect with service X26 at Kirkcaldy facilitating connections to/from Dunfermline, Kincardine and Glasgow.

Service X24: St Andrews – Glenrothes – Halbeath Park & Ride – Dunfermline – Glasgow
The route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath Park & Ride, with adjustments to the timetable as a result. In addition certain morning and evening journeys will serve Forth Valley Royal Hospital in Larbert.

Service X26: Kirkcaldy – Halbeath Park & Ride – Dunfermline – Glasgow
The route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath Park & Ride, with adjustments to the timetable as a result. In addition certain morning and evening journeys will serve Forth Valley Royal Hospital in Larbert.

Service X27: Leven – Kirkcaldy – Halbeath Park & Ride – Dunfermline – Glasgow
This route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath Park & Ride, Forth Valley Royal Hospital in Larbert, and operate to/from Leven via St.Clair Street, Boreland, and Diageo. The section of route between St Andrews and Kirkcaldy via Methilhill, East Wemyss and Dysart will be replaced by new service X8. This service will benefit from the introduction of brand new 61 seat luxury coaches featuring leather seats, air conditioning and free WiFi.

New Service X52: Halbeath Park & Ride – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Corstorphine – Haymarket – Edinburgh
This new limited stop service operating seven days a week will run hourly between Halbeath Park & Ride and Edinburgh city centre via Drum Brae, Corstorphine and Haymarket, providing new journey opportunities to these parts of the city. Some journeys will operate to/from Glenrothes at peak times.

Service X54: Dundee – Glenrothes – Dunfermline – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Edinburgh
The 0820 Dundee – Glenrothes and 2045 Glenrothes – Dunfermline journeys will be withdrawn. This service will additionally serve the Kingdom Services bus stops on the A92 outside the new Halbeath Park & Ride.

Service X59: St Andrews – Glenrothes – Halbeath Park & Ride – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Edinburgh
The route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath Park & Ride and the timetable enhanced to provide two journeys per hour between Glenrothes and Edinburgh, plus later evening journeys. As a result of serving the new park & ride, the Kingdom Services bus stops on the A92 will no longer be served.

Service X61: Kirkcaldy – Halbeath Park & Ride – Ferrytoll Park & Ride – Edinburgh
The route of this service will be revised to serve Halbeath Park & Ride but will operate to/from Kirkcaldy, Dunnikier Way/Mitchelston Drive only, with the Glenrothes – Mitchelston section of the route no longer served. The arrival and departure times in Edinburgh will remain unchanged.

 

[overthewater]

You can tell further changes are on the way, maybe around May? Would why anyone travel on he X54 when you would be much quicker jumping on No19 and changing over at Halbeath to the X59. You have to wonder what the point is of the no17 going to Halbeath.

 

[Liam]

17/17B means one change from Kelty and bits of Cowdenbeath to Edinburgh. Currently only possible from Kelty changing to the X54/55 at Cowdenbeath or Dunfermline.

Think X54 might be cut back to Dunfermline.

 

[Stan Drews]

17/17B means one change from Kelty and bits of Cowdenbeath to Edinburgh. Currently only possible from Kelty changing to the X54/55 at Cowdenbeath or Dunfermline.

The 56 will surely offer a much quicker link though between Kelty and Halbeath, going via the M90.

 

[Liam]

The 56 will surely offer a much quicker link though between Kelty and Halbeath, going via the M90.

56 is only going to Halbeath at peak times.

 

[overthewater]

Badly worded, thats the trouble here:

The route of this service will be revised to serve both Halbeath park & ride and Kinross park & ride. A revised timetable will be introduced as a result incorporating new peak time journeys between Kelty and Halbeath Park & Ride,

The new peak journeys will only operate the short route.

 

[Liam]

Badly worded, thats the trouble here:



The new peak journeys will only operate the short route.

So the 56 will be Halbeath-Kelty-Kinross-Perth more or less hourly all day, with extra Halbeath-Kelty's at peak times? Think that's a bit OTT. I mean how many people travel from Kelty to Edinburgh by bus each morning just now? Very few I would imagine.

 

[overthewater]

So the 56 will be Halbeath-Kelty-Kinross-Perth more or less hourly all day, with extra Halbeath-Kelty's at peak times? Think that's a bit OTT. I mean how many people travel from Kelty to Edinburgh by bus each morning just now? Very few I would imagine.

But now there a choice for new passengers

Also if the 56 was extended to Dunfermline, it could end up replacing M91 between Dunfermline - kinross.

 

[david16]

But now there a choice for new passengers

Also if the 56 was extended to Dunfermline, it could end up replacing M91 between Dunfermline - kinross.

But the Kinross passengers would lose their fast service to Dunfermline if the 56 was a replacement for the M91. They would not be happy about that.

 

[tbtc]

So the 56 will be Halbeath-Kelty-Kinross-Perth more or less hourly all day, with extra Halbeath-Kelty's at peak times? Think that's a bit OTT. I mean how many people travel from Kelty to Edinburgh by bus each morning just now? Very few I would imagine.

It's maybe five miles on the M90 from Kelty to Halbeath, so shouldn't be a huge commitment in terms of extra resources.

I can see Kelty as being a reasonable place for Edinburgh commuters to live (given the difference in house prices etc) - much easier for Stagecoach to compete for a slice of the Kelty - Edinburgh market than compete against the train on the Cowdenbeath corridor.

Plus, its also connections at Halbeath allowing Kinross/ Kelty to Amazon, Kinross/ Kelty to Kirkcaldy, Kinross/ Kelty to Glasgow, Kinross/ Kelty to Edinburgh Airport...

... maybe even potential for some X52s to run on to Kelty/ Kinross in a couple of years?

 

[overthewater]

It's maybe five miles on the M90 from Kelty to Halbeath, so shouldn't be a huge commitment in terms of extra resources.

I can see Kelty as being a reasonable place for Edinburgh commuters to live (given the difference in house prices etc) - much easier for Stagecoach to compete for a slice of the Kelty - Edinburgh market than compete against the train on the Cowdenbeath corridor.

Plus, its also connections at Halbeath allowing Kinross/ Kelty to Amazon, Kinross/ Kelty to Kirkcaldy, Kinross/ Kelty to Glasgow, Kinross/ Kelty to Edinburgh Airport...

... maybe even potential for some X52s to run on to Kelty/ Kinross in a couple of years?

You would still be quicker using the No18 to get to Kirkcaldy. Mind you everything else you have said it bang on and could create new passengers. mind you will there be a No56 at 06.00...

 

[Liam]

Kelty-Glasgow will be just the same whether you change at Halbeath or Dunfermline. The only difference is 79 is half hourly, 56 hourly, so Dunffermline is still better.

If they really wanted to entice Edinburgh commuters to the bus, wouldn't a direct service make far more sense? People just now will either drive all the way, or park at Ferrytoll. If they have to change, they might as well continue driving to Ferrytoll or Halbeath.

 

[overthewater]

Kelty-Glasgow will be just the same whether you change at Halbeath or Dunfermline. The only difference is 79 is half hourly, 56 hourly, so Dunffermline is still better.

If they really wanted to entice Edinburgh commuters to the bus, wouldn't a direct service make far more sense? People just now will either drive all the way, or park at Ferrytoll. If they have to change, they might as well continue driving to Ferrytoll or Halbeath.

Here is the problem, there testing the market. of course many people might want to travel at different times and different locations.

 

[Liam]

They had the opportunity to put in a direct service, either the X52 or the extra X59 up to Kelty/Kinross (X56?). It just seems to me that if they were to go all out and properly test the water with a direct service, they might get a better result than the half-assed attempt with a change en-route.

 

[tbtc]

Kelty-Glasgow will be just the same whether you change at Halbeath or Dunfermline. The only difference is 79 is half hourly, 56 hourly, so Dunffermline is still better.

If they really wanted to entice Edinburgh commuters to the bus, wouldn't a direct service make far more sense? People just now will either drive all the way, or park at Ferrytoll. If they have to change, they might as well continue driving to Ferrytoll or Halbeath.

The advantage of what Stagecoach are doing is that they can run a half hourly (?) peak time 56 from Kelty to Halbeath (hourly off-peak) - fairly minimal resources along five miles of motorway - to test the water of where people actually travel to/from - if it turns out that there are sufficient passengers to warrant a through Kelty - Edinburgh service then maybe an "X56" will follow.

BUT, to straight to a direct Kelty - Edinburgh service risks putting people off if its withdrawn a few months later (and those enticed to a direct service aren't willing to change at Halbeath).

Stagecoach have built a number of services up slowly - look at how Ferrytoll has evolved over the years.

 

[overthewater]

The improved networked will only result in 5 extra coaches 1 bus operating. I do think there have gone above and beyond what is required, but the Ferrytoll does need more services, strangely Dalgerty bay has never picked up the passengers.

 

[jamieintercity]

the 20 branded E400s have been noticed quite regularly on the 73 'tayway' recently as I was on 19899 this morning from carnoustie to Arbroath.
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E300 27551 SP58 BZE was noted on the 73 'tayway' route yesterday, unsure whether it went as far as Arbroath.

An Oparte solo was also noted on a 73 service, persumingly from Dundee college to the city centre as it said on the destination 'Dundee city centre'. Both the solo and the E300 had a conductor onboard, can any single and double decker bus be found on the 73 'tayway' route throughout any day?

 

[Liam]

New timetables are up. Interesting that the 33 doesn't appear to be going into the P&R. I think it's the only bus to go into QM Hospital from Crossgates and goes right past the P&R

 

[overthewater]

http://www.halbeath.org/htmlpages/index.html