Stagecoach orders 402 electric buses from Alexander Dennis and Yutong

[joieman]

Would the Switch/Optare Solo EV not fit?

I would think so, they're not really taller than their diesel counterparts.

 

[Teapot42]

Would the Switch/Optare Solo EV not fit?

It likely would, but are they even still a 'thing'? It's mentioned on the Switch website but I've not heard of many in service and indeed Stagecoach appear to have got them to start production of the Diesel variant. I also wonder if 190 miles claimed range will be enough for the services they'd be running.

Looking at their range, the EiV 7 looks another option but I don't know if it has or will make it to the UK.

 

[Energy]

It likely would, but are they even still a 'thing'? It's mentioned on the Switch website but I've not heard of many in service and indeed Stagecoach appear to have got them to start production of the Diesel variant.

They've existed for a while and are on Switch Mobility's website but have never sold in massive numbers. Switch has struggled for a while with reasonable delivery times and they use NMC batteries over the preferred LFP batteries other manufacturers use. I'd expect Stagecoach to get a good price on their 60 new diesel Optare Solos, the Enviro 100 is electric only so the only option from ADL is the shortest (8.9m) enviro 200.

I also wonder if 190 miles claimed range will be enough for the services they'd be running.

I suspect range will be why. Even if Stagecoach would never pick Switch over an Enviro 100EV it would satisfy the two model requirement.

 

[GusB]

The thread is for discussing the recent Stagecoach order; let's not get too far off topic.

 

[Edvid]

Buses Magazine have listed the breakdown of Yutong vehicle allocations:

The Yutongs will be supplied to operations in Chesterfield (six E10s and 12 E12s), Leamington (two E10s and ten E12s), Nuneaton (33 E12s with assistance through Coventry Full Electric City funding, plus a further 10 through ZEBRA), Preston (details to be confirmed as Buses went to press), Rugby (five E12s), Slatyford (18 E12s), Stockton (40 E12s) and Sunderland (20 E12s).

156 are accounted for, so Preston will receive the remaining pair. With regard to ZEBRA 2 specifically, 103 Yutongs + 244 Enviros means 20 buses may be (or have been) procured from another manufacturer.

 

[Bornin1980s]

Are there allocations for the ADLs?

 

[Edvid]

Warwickshire's latest cabinet report on their ZEBRA 2 scheme also provides more detail on Stagecoach Midlands' share of the Coventry AEBC scheme:

2.8 The Warwickshire ZEBRA2 Scheme builds upon the first tranche of all-electric buses deployed on the Warwickshire bus network through the Coventry All Electric Bus City Scheme, which the DfT is contributing a separate sum of £49.900million awarded to the West Midlands Combined Authority, and the County Council contributing the sum of £1.336million from the WCC Capital Investment Fund towards the cost of supporting charging infrastructure within Warwickshire. This scheme includes provision of sixty-four all-electric buses (consisting of thirty-three single-deck buses and thirty-one double decker buses) on cross-boundary services running into Warwickshire operated on a commercial basis by Stagecoach Midlands, in addition to supporting charging infrastructure at their depots in Leamington and Nuneaton.
[...]
The Stagecoach Midlands element of the Coventry All-Electric Bus City Scheme is expected to be implemented by December 2024.

The associated routes are 56/56B, 86, 148, X17, X18 and Unibus. On Flickr there is a brand-new E12 (YK74 PKF) and its listing on buslistsontheweb as a Midland Red (South) vehicle alongside two others from the 730xx range suggests the deliveries have started.

On another note, I don't believe the manufacturer of the 31 'deckers has been revealed yet.

 

[aswilliamsuk]

Warwickshire's latest cabinet report on their ZEBRA 2 scheme also provides more detail on Stagecoach Midlands' share of the Coventry AEBC scheme:


The associated routes are 56/56B, 86, 148, X17, X18 and Unibus. On Flickr there is a brand-new E12 (YK74 PKF) and its listing on buslistsontheweb as a Midland Red (South) vehicle alongside two others from the 730xx range suggests the deliveries have started.

On another note, I don't believe the manufacturer of the 31 'deckers has been revealed yet.

I'm fairly sure the deckers are E400EVs (the new design).

 

[EnviroExplorer]

I'm fairly sure the deckers are E400EVs (the new design).

Coincidentally some Stagecoach Local liveried E400EVs have been sighted outside the Falkirk plant a few days ago. Perhaps these could be destined for Midlands? photo is linked below, with credit to Jamster Transport

Stagecoach 80059 SK74BEY - Falkirk

6 September 2024

flic.kr

 

[Energy]

Warwickshire's latest cabinet report on their ZEBRA 2 scheme also provides more detail on Stagecoach Midlands' share of the Coventry AEBC scheme:


The associated routes are 56/56B, 86, 148, X17, X18 and Unibus. On Flickr there is a brand-new E12 (YK74 PKF) and its listing on buslistsontheweb as a Midland Red (South) vehicle alongside two others from the 730xx range suggests the deliveries have started.

On another note, I don't believe the manufacturer of the 31 'deckers has been revealed yet.

Stagecoach has ordered:

31 double deckers for Coventry All Electric
33* single deckers for Coventry All Electric
27* single deckers for Warwickshire ZEBRA2

*unsure if the 33 includes the 27 under ZEBRA2, I don’t think it does.

Double deckers are all ADL E400EVs. ZEBRA2 looks to be a Yutong E10/E12 mix.

Coventry All Electric is intended to be done by December 2024, I reckon the single deckers will be Yutong to match the delivery times needed. Some people online think Stagecoach have moved the orders around to get Midlands some Yutongs sooner rather than later.

Coincidentally some Stagecoach Local liveried E400EVs have been sighted outside the Falkirk plant a few days ago. Perhaps these could be destined for Midlands? photo is linked below, with credit to Jamster Transport

Stagecoach 80059 SK74BEY - Falkirk

6 September 2024

flic.kr

Possibly. Stagecoach anticipate Coventry All Electric to be done December 2024 so the double deckers should be coming soon.

 

[WarrenT]

I think the 400ev looks quite smart in the local livery.

 

[DaveHarries]

Stagecoach has ordered:

31 double deckers for Coventry All Electric
33* single deckers for Coventry All Electric
27* single deckers for Warwickshire ZEBRA2

*unsure if the 33 includes the 27 under ZEBRA2, I don’t think it does.

Double deckers are all ADL E400EVs. ZEBRA2 looks to be a Yutong E10/E12 mix.

Coventry All Electric is intended to be done by December 2024 [...] so the double deckers should be coming soon.

I think the 27 others for Warwickshire ZEBRA2 must be separate. The website Electrive reports that Stagecoach have received all 64 electrics for Coventry and says that they should start to see service in Spring 2025 once the depots have been fitted out with chargers.

64 new electric buses for Coventry
Public transport operator Stagecoach has received 64 all-electric buses that will go into service in the UK city of Coventry. The buses were manufactured by Alexander Dennis and Yutong. Specifically, Alexander Dennis delivered 31 double-decker buses and Yutong 33 single-deckers. The exact models are not mentioned in the press release, but there are already 130 Enviro400EV from ADL (at the time ADL-BYD) in service in Coventry since last year. All buses will go into service in the spring once the depots have been fitted with the corresponding charging infrastructure.

Source: https://www.electrive.com/2024/11/06/64-new-electric-buses-for-coventry/

Last time I was in Coventry my ride was a NatEx B7RLE / Wright which I quite enjoyed as they are my favourite single-decker. I wonder how long those have got left and what NatEx Coventry will replace them with.

Dave

 

[aswilliamsuk]

One thing that does appear to have been the case so far: First has been much faster at getting depots electrified (and indeed are enabling entire depots, rather than just what's "needed" at the time) than Stagecoach, it seems.

 

[Energy]

I think the 27 others for Warwickshire ZEBRA2 must be separate. The website Electrive reports that Stagecoach have received all 64 electrics for Coventry and says that they should start to see service in Spring 2025 once the depots have been fitted out with chargers.

I've double-checked, and they are definitely separate. The Warwickshire County Council document mentions the funding being separate, and if they weren't then there'd only be 6 single deckers for Warwickshire, which isn't enough for the 6 routes listed.

The press release appears to be from Coventry City Council, so it doesn't cover the 27 ZEBRA2 Yutongs as the bid would have been handled by Warwickshire County Council.

Google Streetview has been past the Leamington depot in September 2024, looks like there are works for the chargers, and 2 Yutongs can be seen at the depot.

One thing that does appear to have been the case so far: First has been much faster at getting depots electrified (and indeed are enabling entire depots, rather than just what's "needed" at the time) than Stagecoach, it seems.

First seem to be very good at it, but are more experienced. Usually its grid delays but the Leamington depot is only a few years old so I'd be surprised if it needed an upgrade.

I believe First use Heliox chargers, not sure what Stagecoach are using.

 

[CN12 AWU]

Hello

Are there any news on what electrics Stagecoach Merseyside are due to be getting and for which depot?


Also is there any confirmation of what electric buses are going to East Midlands at Hull?? as not seen anything official by Stagecoach on these orders (just a Hull council website post saying next year)

Hope you can help

 

[gka472l]

Hello

Are there any news on what electrics Stagecoach Merseyside are due to be getting and for which depot?


Also is there any confirmation of what electric buses are going to East Midlands at Hull?? as not seen anything official by Stagecoach on these orders (just a Hull council website post saying next year)

Hope you can help

The Merseyside ones are for Gillmoss although no confirmation on what they will be, I'd be very surprised if they were not ADL E400EV given Stagecoach will be operating them......

 

[Fox192]

No confirmation on Hull but did hear they would be the e400 ev

 

[Energy]

The Merseyside ones are for Gillmoss and as far as I know, they will be ADL E400EV.....

Indeed, the initial 58 are to be owned by Merseytravel/TfLCR and operated initially by Stagecoach from Gillmoss. They’ll be liveried in the same Metro livery as the E400FCEVs.

I don’t think the model was ever announced but an E400EV demonstrator got liveried and is the model that is expected.

Another 50 buses got ordered a couple months ago but no announcement since.

 

[CN12 AWU]

No confirmation on Hull but did hear they would be the e400 ev

I heard they were a mix of single and double as they were for 3/4/5 group of routes but 6 now interworks with 4 and 4/6 is normally singles

Be interesting to see what turns up and when

Indeed, the initial 58 are to be owned by Merseytravel/TfLCR and operated initially by Stagecoach from Gillmoss. They’ll be liveried in the same Metro livery as the E400FCEVs.

I don’t think the model was ever announced but an E400EV demonstrator got liveried and is the model that is expected.

Another 50 buses got ordered a couple months ago but no announcement since.

I'm surprised there not going between Gillmoss and Birkenhead if I'm honest

 

[Energy]

I'm surprised there not going between Gillmoss and Birkenhead if I'm honest

The initial 58 are due to work on the Stagecoach routes 17, 19, 14 and 20/21, which appear to be all from Gillmoss.

Not sure what’s happening with the extra 50.

 

[gka472l]

Indeed, the initial 58 are to be owned by Merseytravel/TfLCR and operated initially by Stagecoach from Gillmoss. They’ll be liveried in the same Metro livery as the E400FCEVs.

I don’t think the model was ever announced but an E400EV demonstrator got liveried and is the model that is expected.

Another 50 buses got ordered a couple months ago but no anno

The initial 58 are due to work on the Stagecoach routes 17, 19, 14 and 20/21, which appear to be all from Gillmoss.

Not sure what’s happening with the extra 50.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them joining one of the winning franchises, as TfGM did in Manchester with the BYD's into GNW and Stagecoach

 

[Bornin1980s]

https://www.devon.gov.uk/news/devon-awarded-5-3-million-for-zero-emission-buses/

This announcement, from shortly before the Stagecoach order, includes electrifying Exeter's Green park and ride service (now C). One problem though; the C service, currently operated by packed Enviro 300s, runs opened under a low railway bridge in Tan Lane, with a clearance of 10'6". That's 3.2 m, almost exactly. In this current order, the only electric bus which will fit under the bridge is the Enviro 100 (3.1 m). Now, the C being stuck with Enviro 300s instead of double-deckers is bad enough, but should the price of electrification really be to force them to use 26 seaters?! In my researches, the only 12 m electric bus I found below that height is the largest Switch Metroicity.

I'm also told there's bridge elsewhere in Devon so low that only the old type Optare Solos can fit under it, with even the new diesel SRs is being too tall! That route might someday be restricted to minibuses, if even they be made low enough these days! We really need more low height electric single deckers.

 

[Xavi]

https://www.devon.gov.uk/news/devon-awarded-5-3-million-for-zero-emission-buses/

This announcement, from shortly before the Stagecoach order, includes electrifying Exeter's Green park and ride service (now C). One problem though; the C service, currently operated by packed Enviro 300s, runs opened under a low railway bridge in Tan Lane, with a clearance of 10'6". That's 3.2 m, almost exactly. In this current order, the only electric bus which will fit under the bridge is the Enviro 100 (3.1 m). Now, the C being stuck with Enviro 300s instead of double-deckers is bad enough, but should the price of electrification really be to force them to use 26 seaters?! In my researches, the only 12 m electric bus I found below that height is the largest Switch Metroicity.

I'm also told there's bridge elsewhere in Devon so low that only the old type Optare Solos can fit under it, with even the new diesel SRs is being too tall! That route might someday be restricted to minibuses, if even they be made low enough these days! We really need more low height electric single deckers.

I would not be surprised if the low bridge in Tan Lane was overlooked at the time of the announcement and the 'spare' new vehicles will instead be used to cover the additional buses required on the 4 now that it is extended to the university.

 

[CN12 AWU]

I was informed in the new 2025 Stagecoach handbook all the new deliveries and fleet numbers are listed including the 19 E400Electrics for Hull

I haven't got the handbook but can someone confirm fleet numbers for the Hull Electric E400's and the Merseyside Electric E400's and are the fleet numbers in the handbook 100% confirmed

 

[jimbob185]

I was informed in the new 2025 Stagecoach handbook all the new deliveries and fleet numbers are listed including the 19 E400Electrics for Hull

I haven't got the handbook but can someone confirm fleet numbers for the Hull Electric E400's and the Merseyside Electric E400's and are the fleet numbers in the handbook 100% confirmed

What are the numbers? Does it also include the numbers for Mansfield as well?

 

[gka472l]

I was informed in the new 2025 Stagecoach handbook all the new deliveries and fleet numbers are listed including the 19 E400Electrics for Hull

I haven't got the handbook but can someone confirm fleet numbers for the Hull Electric E400's and the Merseyside Electric E400's and are the fleet numbers in the handbook 100% confirmed

Merseyside ones not listed, although it's never actually been confirmed what type Gillmoss are getting...so still an unknown as to what those 58 will be. Hull appear to be getting 80294-80312.

HTH

 

[150249]

https://www.devon.gov.uk/news/devon-awarded-5-3-million-for-zero-emission-buses/

This announcement, from shortly before the Stagecoach order, includes electrifying Exeter's Green park and ride service (now C). One problem though; the C service, currently operated by packed Enviro 300s, runs opened under a low railway bridge in Tan Lane, with a clearance of 10'6". That's 3.2 m, almost exactly. In this current order, the only electric bus which will fit under the bridge is the Enviro 100 (3.1 m). Now, the C being stuck with Enviro 300s instead of double-deckers is bad enough, but should the price of electrification really be to force them to use 26 seaters?! In my researches, the only 12 m electric bus I found below that height is the largest Switch Metroicity.

I'm also told there's bridge elsewhere in Devon so low that only the old type Optare Solos can fit under it, with even the new diesel SRs is being too tall! That route might someday be restricted to minibuses, if even they be made low enough these days! We really need more low height electric single deckers.

Perhaps the C will have to have its route revised

 

[Energy]

Merseyside ones not listed, although it's never actually been confirmed what type Gillmoss are getting...so still an unknown as to what those 58 will be. Hull appear to be getting 80294-80312.

HTH

Never confirmed what was ordered but an E400EV demonstrator turned up in Merseytravel livery, so expected to be them.

The buses are owned by Merseytravel and leased to Stagecoach so may not show up in the book, do the E400FCEV (same lease arrangement) show up?

 

[gka472l]

Never confirmed what was ordered but an E400EV demonstrator turned up in Merseytravel livery, so expected to be them.

The buses are owned by Merseytravel and leased to Stagecoach so may not show up in the book, do the E400FCEV (same lease arrangement) show up?

Not seen the book myself, although have been messaged a list of all the new vehicles and where they're intended for. However would assume TfGM owned 84201-50 would also be a similar arrangement.....

 

[henryb]

Unfortunately no source that can be provided but according to Exeter driver - expecting BZL deckers