SWR Class 458 to be retained

[WarrenTManager]

532 seems stopped already，the ex Gatwick only hv 533，535–536 still using

8532 has been stopped for quite a while, pre-handback inspections were done in September and October. Now the agreed remedial interior and exterior work is being done before Porterbrook accept it and the unit gets taken to Long Marston.

 

[pompeyfan]

8532 has been stopped for quite a while, pre-handback inspections were done in September and October. Now the agreed remedial interior and exterior work is being done before Porterbrook accept it and the unit gets taken to Long Marston.

The railway loves wasting money. I know it’s contractual but those units are very unlikely to see service again I would imagine.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Today is the first day in passenger service as a 458/4 for 458405

Realtime Trains | 2S07 0552 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 16/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 2S07 0552 departure from London Waterloo to Weybridge on 16/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[mansonlo49]

today 5Z64 got cancelled so assume 5Q64 wouldn't operate？thanks

 

[Bikeman78]

The railway loves wasting money. I know it’s contractual but those units are very unlikely to see service again I would imagine.

I must say that this is one aspect of the current set up that baffles me. My go to example is the four units stored at Ilford for, in some cases, years. They had to get them all back up and running for the end of the franchise. So why not fix them sooner and then they would have had four more working units to run the service with?

 

[wickham]

1325 Widnes to Wembley (16/12) is on it's way, nearly 2 hour late start. Can anyone comfirm for certain which unit is returning ? (419 has been there the longest).

 

[Class455]

Today is the first day in passenger service as a 458/4 for 458405

Realtime Trains | 2S07 0552 London Waterloo to Weybridge | 16/12/2024

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Had it today on 2S50, didn’t realise that was its first day in service in its new configuration!

 

[Siemens Staines]

1325 Widnes to Wembley (16/12) is on it's way, nearly 2 hour late start. Can anyone comfirm for certain which unit is returning ? (419 has been there the longest).

A post elsewhere says that the unit being hauled by 57310 is 458414

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Interestingly, on a new modern railways article it states that “SWR will retain a small number of 458/5s to meet growing passenger demand”

I assume this is just code for “they’re staying until they run out of miles”, or has something changed?

 

[cactustwirly]

Interestingly, on a new modern railways article it states that “SWR will retain a small number of 458/5s to meet growing passenger demand”

I assume this is just code for “they’re staying until they run out of miles”, or has something changed?

I thought this was the plan already they either get withdrawn because they run out of miles or replaced eventually by 701s

 

[OneTrackMinded]

 

[XCTurbostar]

I am skeptical that 'meet growing passenger demand' is an issue in SWR given the incoming 90 Class 701s.

 

[swr444]

Interestingly, on a new modern railways article it states that “SWR will retain a small number of 458/5s to meet growing passenger demand”

I assume this is just code for “they’re staying until they run out of miles”, or has something changed?

Nothing has changed, they’re just trying to spin it as a positive.

 

[Goldfish62]

Nothing has changed, they’re just trying to spin it as a positive.

Yes, all smoke and mirrors.

 

[wickham]

Two interesting points in these recent posts: If 458414 is "the last" 458 refurbishment for SWR" what has happened to 458419 ? Does it have snags as it seems to have been overtaken by 419. The other point regarding the "Small number of 458/5 to be retained", as far as I can see there will only be 5 such units avaliable (untill the run out of mileage), viz "Proper 458s" 458529/30 and "Gatex conversions" 458533/5/6. In truth, surely these are really filling in untill SWR get more 701s into service, not really much to do with passener numbers !

 

[Wolfie]

Two interesting points in these recent posts: If 458414 is "the last" 458 refurbishment for SWR" what has happened to 458419 ? Does it have snags as it seems to have been overtaken by 419. The other point regarding the "Small number of 458/5 to be retained", as far as I can see there will only be 5 such units avaliable (untill the run out of mileage), viz "Proper 458s" 458529/30 and "Gatex conversions" 458533/5/6. In truth, surely these are really filling in untill SWR get more 701s into service, not really much to do with passener numbers !

Your last two sentences appear to be an accurate analysis of this situation behind the smoke and mirrors ...

 

[Siemens Staines]

It looks like another attempt is being made to deliver 458414 to Bournemouth this afternoon, after yesterdays terminated at Branksome. So near, but so far.

5Q64 1548 Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1548 Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 18/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1548 departure from Eastleigh East Yard to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 18/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[Carlisle]

Yes, all smoke and mirrors.

As is the 701 rollout

 

[ScottishRail43]

alton on the destination board for the alstom event?

 

[swr444]

alton on the destination board for the alstom event?

458s have always gone there. They probably just put whatever code they had

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

458s have always gone there. They probably just put whatever code they had

As a Farnham resident, not often enough

 

[Goldfish62]

As is the 701 rollout

As is pretty much anything involving SWR.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Paths are now on RTT for the last 458/4, 458419, to be delivered to SWR

Monday 23rd December 2024
5Z64 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z64 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 23/12/2024

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5Q64 1326 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1326 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 23/12/2024

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Tuesday 24th December 2024
5Q45 1118 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

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5Z66 1851 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 1851 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 24/12/2024

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Friday 27th December 2024
5M09 1200 Eastleigh East Yard to Leicester L.I.P.

Realtime Trains | 5M09 1200 Eastleigh East Yard to Leicester L.I.P. | 27/12/2024

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[mansonlo49]

Paths are now on RTT for the last 458/4, 458419, to be delivered to SWR

Monday 23rd December 2024
5Z64 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech

Realtime Trains | 5Z64 0733 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 23/12/2024

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5Q64 1326 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7

Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1326 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 23/12/2024

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Tuesday 24th December 2024
5Q45 1118 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D

Realtime Trains | 5Q45 1118 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 24/12/2024

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5Z66 1851 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard

Realtime Trains | 5Z66 1851 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh East Yard | 24/12/2024

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Friday 27th December 2024
5M09 1200 Eastleigh East Yard to Leicester L.I.P.

Realtime Trains | 5M09 1200 Eastleigh East Yard to Leicester L.I.P. | 27/12/2024

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the wagons arrived 4 hours later than original，around 1429 at Widnes

 

[Siemens Staines]

the wagons arrived 4 hours later than original，around 1429 at Widnes

5Q64 en-route now circa 60L. Its not far behind 5Q82 with 166201. The way things are going you could potentially end up with a 166 side by side with a 458 which in the past would have been a common sight in Reading bay platforms, but must surely be a unique combination for the Trent Valley?

 

[mansonlo49]

5Q64 en-route now circa 60L. Its not far behind 5Q82 with 166201. The way things are going you could potentially end up with a 166 side by side with a 458 which in the past would have been a common sight in Reading bay platforms, but must surely be a unique combination for the Trent Valley?

Definitely as both are out of their normal boundary, so it's even more rare than in reading

5Q64 en-route now circa 60L. Its not far behind 5Q82 with 166201. The way things are going you could potentially end up with a 166 side by side with a 458 which in the past would have been a common sight in Reading bay platforms, but must surely be a unique combination for the Trent Valley?

I was wondering what's 5Q82 at first as RTT say it's a electro-diesel locomotive

 

[infobleep]

I am skeptical that 'meet growing passenger demand' is an issue in SWR given the incoming 90 Class 701s.

When they say they are going to run a second fast train from Guildford to Clapham Junction on a Saturday and also during the day, Monday to Fridays, then I will belive that demand is returning......

 

[Big Jumby 74]

When they say they are going to run a second fast train from Guildford to Clapham Junction on a Saturday and also during the day, Monday to Fridays, then I will belive that demand is returning......

Possibly a case of smoke and mirrors....running non stop Guilford to Clapham would suggest via Cobham, in which case it's likely the prime reason is route knowledge retention for Fratton depot.

 

[Chiltern006]

Yeah I did a fast service via Cobham a couple of years ago, ran fast from Guildford to Waterloo though

 

[infobleep]

Yeah I did a fast service via Cobham a couple of years ago, ran fast from Guildford to Waterloo though

There are a few services each day which do this Monday to Friday in both directions. I forget how many.