SWR Class 458 to be retained

[Intercity110]

https://twitter.com/lokiavivson/status/1667113150796165121?s=46&t=OxOSTwUjZmBbdtDO_oZS4g

Have to say it looks good in the livery imo.

looks like a 450 or 444

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

https://twitter.com/lokiavivson/status/1667113150796165121?s=46&t=OxOSTwUjZmBbdtDO_oZS4g

Have to say it looks good in the livery imo.

Thank you so much. I'm getting 380 vibes from the front, honestly. I know it hasn't physically been changed, but the way it's been painted does it.

Does it say 4580xx on the front or 4584xx? I know they're being referred to as the latter, but that doesn't always hold much weight; 153/9 for example was referred to as 153/0 originally.

 

[Samzino]

Thank you so much. I'm getting 380 vibes from the front, honestly. I know it hasn't physically been changed, but the way it's been painted does it.

Haha thought it looked like the 380 but was wondering if it was only me

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Haha thought it looked like the 380 but was wondering if it was only me

A cross between that and a 334. The latter is of course unsurprising.

 

[Samzino]

A cross between that and a 334. The latter is of course unsurprising.

 

[Techniquest]

Haha thought it looked like the 380 but was wondering if it was only me

It looked like a 380 at first glance to me too!

 

[dan4291]

Looks smart, although can't help thinking it looks like SWR ordered a class 450 off Wish!

 

[Pep and co]

Still there this morning. Can anyone ID which unit it is?

 

[Goldfish62]

Looks smart, although can't help thinking it looks like SWR ordered a class 450 off Wish!

I think that's the 458s through and through.

 

[Samzino]

Has 458505 come back since it left for Widnes in Feb? I seem to remember that was Train 2 being refurbd

 

[D365]

Does it say 4580xx on the front or 4584xx? I know they're being referred to as the latter, but that doesn't always hold much weight; 153/9 for example was referred to as 153/0 originally.

OT, but the Class 317s [as built] were worst for this. They were all numbered in the 3173xx range!

 

[43096]

Has 458505 come back since it left for Widnes in Feb? I seem to remember that was Train 2 being refurbd

Train 3. 458507/517 were the first two.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

OT, but the Class 317s [as built] were worst for this. They were all numbered in the 3173xx range!

And 158 is confusing as 1587xx and 8xx is /0, though the 1589xx is indeed /9.

 

[dorsetdesiro]

Not keen on the the full yellow gangway ends otherwise it looks great. The ends should be half yellow with the black above like 444/450.

It may perhaps be the intention for the 458s to have the full yellow ends to set these apart from the 450s due to their similiar looks?

I also agree about the 380-like appearance, looks like a cross between 380 and 450.

 

[driverd]

And 158 is confusing as 1587xx and 8xx is /0, though the 1589xx is indeed /9.

In fairness I believe this was to preserve a number range unique to each vehicle in the sprinter family, ie:
150/1 = 52/571xx
150/2 = 52/572xx
155 = 52/573xx (obviously 153s confused this somewhat)
156 = 52/574xx (and a handful of 52/575xx)
158 = 52/577xx (or 52/578xx, with the 158/9 completing the family with 52/579xx)

Very very off topic but just thought I'd explain the method in the madness.

Tenuous (on topic) link:
Doesn't that 458/4 () look pretty!

 

[1nvicible]

Still there this morning. Can anyone ID which unit it is?

From earlier posts i think it's 458417.

 

[Samzino]

Train 3. 458507/517 were the first two.

Ah i see

https://spotlog.org/locolist/class/UK/458 This looks to a degree upto date just without the dates

 

[The_Train]

Ah i see

https://spotlog.org/locolist/class/UK/458 This looks to a degree upto date just without the dates

So is https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/442-466

 

[43096]

So is https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/442-466

458534 is in service...

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

458534 is in service...

It wasn’t before of course…
From memory, 535 came close to being stood down too at one point

 

[Samzino]

So is https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/442-466

Haha very nice adder that to the bookmarks too

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Any rough dates for a redone 458 to hit the SWR network?

 

[gazr]

Just out of curiosity, can a 458/4 run in multiple with a 450? Edit: I'm guessing not seeing as two different companies, but as a way to move a failed unit for example.

 

[43096]

Just out of curiosity, can a 458/4 run in multiple with a 450? Edit: I'm guessing not seeing as two different companies, but as a way to move a failed unit for example.

They can’t run in multi, but the 458s can (now) couple to a Desiro mechanically to clear the line.

 

[The_Train]

458534 is in service...

Well I was referring to the stock at Widnes being up to date

Any idea when 8534 returned to service anybody?

 

[Siemens Staines]

458534 returned to service on 20 Feb 23

SWR Metro fleet permanent withdrawals

For those after a very loud motor coach, 455 856's is still incredibly loud. 455857 was singing away quite nicely on Wednesday, same for 455720 :) 455909 was doing a decent job too.

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[randompixel]

The only thing that really lets the 458 down compared to a 450 is the windows are a crap and the lack of carpet. Psychologically I'm more willing to sit on a 450 floor when packed than a 458 (despite I'm sure a similar level of filth!)

 

[Invincible]

Presume the 458 refurb includes: new carpet and seat covers, improved toilets and windows, to match 444 standards (just 1st class will have new seats)?.

Any rough dates for a redone 458 to hit the SWR network?

Although the running gear has not changed much (other than the gearing), it may have updated control and customer route display software, so guess the refurb'ed 458 12 car will be tested on a test track at Widnes before the Waterloo - Portsmouth main line?.
Should not have the issues the 442s had, but there may be other unknown issues that may be found under testing?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Presume the 458 refurb includes: new carpet and seat covers, improved toilets and windows, to match 444 standards (just 1st class will have new seats)?.

No. I’ve posted a picture of the new seats twice - although this is a 51 page thread so of course I don’t blame you for not having seen! - which unfortunately I don’t have any longer to upload here again, but if you type in “New seat” by “TT-ONR-NRN” in the search function you may discover the image!

 

[Invincible]

No. I’ve posted a picture of the new seats twice - although this is a 51 page thread so of course I don’t blame you for not having seen! - which unfortunately I don’t have any longer to upload here again, but if you type in “New seat” by “TT-ONR-NRN” in the search function you may discover the image!

Thanks, Did a search and found them in post #1,055 5 Dec 2022, so internally the refurbished 458s should look a bit like a refurbished 444 with 2 x 2 seating in both first and standard class?