SWR Metro fleet permanent withdrawals

[WarrenTManager]

They have not 27 working units for weekdays diagrammed service because they have 26 working units plus 458533 non-operational. Thence one-pair diagram covered by the 707s and one more pair by the 455s. So usually only 23 of 26 available 458s out (if we`re or they`re lucky).

Only need 23 anyway.

 

[SWT_USER]

Are the few remaining 10 car trains diagrammed on the same specific services each day or is it just luck of the draw whatever turns up?

 

[Goldfish62]

Are the few remaining 10 car trains diagrammed on the same specific services each day or is it just luck of the draw whatever turns up?

As regards Reading services they very much are on the same services every day.

 

[nctd2306]

Noticing RTT is showing a second 458 diagram on the Reading line has been replaced by a pair of 455s today, I guess only time will tell how permanent this is or if it's a one off for today...

The fact that only one 10 car left Reading bound for Waterloo between 6.00 and 10.00 shows how bad the situation has really become (if RTT's allocations are correct of course)

 

[ls2270]

Noticing RTT is showing a second 458 diagram on the Reading line has been replaced by a pair of 455s today, I guess only time will tell how permanent this is or if it's a one off for today...

The fact that only one 10 car left Reading bound for Waterloo between 6.00 and 10.00 shows how bad the situation has really become (if RTT's allocations are correct of course)

RTT’s allocations are indeed correct!

 

[Goldfish62]

Noticing RTT is showing a second 458 diagram on the Reading line has been replaced by a pair of 455s today, I guess only time will tell how permanent this is or if it's a one off for today...

The fact that only one 10 car left Reading bound for Waterloo between 6.00 and 10.00 shows how bad the situation has really become (if RTT's allocations are correct of course)

That's grim that the 0709 from Reading is now 8 455. That's the busiest train in the AM peak. Just the 0639 left!

 

[TEW]

The 0709 off Reading isn't booked 8-455, it was a short form today. It's still booked 10-458.

 

[nctd2306]

The 0709 off Reading isn't booked 8-455, it was a short form today. It's still booked 10-458.

That may be the case at the moment but the worry is that with the 458s being sent off for refurbishment and not entering service when they return, this may become more regular unless the 701s sort themselves out (and soon!) or they allow the 458/4s in service on the Windsor side

 

[Vanmanyo]

That may be the case at the moment but the worry is that with the 458s being sent off for refurbishment and not entering service when they return, this may become more regular unless the 701s sort themselves out (and soon!) or they allow the 458/4s in service on the Windsor side

I don't live in SWR territory so aren't hugely knowledgable on everything that's happening but it seems quite a mess. We still don't know the 458 future, we don't know when the 701s will actually launch and SWR are still relying on 455s and 707s.

 

[Goldfish62]

I don't live in SWR territory so aren't hugely knowledgable on everything that's happening but it seems quite a mess. We still don't know the 458 future, we don't know when the 701s will actually launch and SWR are still relying on 455s and 707s.

Yes, essentially just the nearly 40 year old 455s because there are only two 707s left in the fleet and they're due to go in the Spring, when doubtless there still won't be any 701s in service, and there will be even fewer 458/5s left. Then we might be in the realms of "temporary" timetable cuts.

 

[Vanmanyo]

Yes, essentially just the nearly 40 year old 455s because there are only two 707s left in the fleet and they're due to go in the Spring, when doubtless there still won't be any 701s in service, and there will be even fewer 458/5s left. Then we might be in the realms of "temporary" timetable cuts.

I didn't realise how dire of a situation SWR were in. When you have only 2 707s in your fleet and are using both of them today that signifies a fleet shortage. Hopefully the 458s all return to service but it looks unlikely. And the 701s - well there's a whole other forum dedicated to them

 

[nctd2306]

I didn't realise how dire of a situation SWR were in. When you have only 2 707s in your fleet and are using both of them today that signifies a fleet shortage. Hopefully the 458s all return to service but it looks unlikely. And the 701s - well there's a whole other forum dedicated to them

It certainly is a mess, and whilst an 8 car railway isn't the end of the world, any more service cuts or having to reduce diagrams down to 4/5 carriages and there might as well not be much point in calling it a commuter railway anymore as it'll be inadequate for even those used to crowded trains and standing (a packed train with some space left is afterall better than being left behind)

Makes you wonder how much money they could have saved by not extending all the platforms to 10 car length

 

[SWT_USER]

Yes, essentially just the nearly 40 year old 455s because there are only two 707s left in the fleet and they're due to go in the Spring, when doubtless there still won't be any 701s in service, and there will be even fewer 458/5s left. Then we might be in the realms of "temporary" timetable cuts.

Isn't it two pairs of 707's (so 4x5 car units)?

The rolling stock mismanagement by SWR is staggering really - the pandemic has saved their blushes somewhat up to now. And yet, the MD fails upwards to take charge of TFL.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Isn't it two pairs of 707's (so 4x5 car units)?

No, it's one pair only.

707 024 + 707 030.

All the rest have moved over to Southeastern.

 

[SWT_USER]

No, it's one pair only.

707 024 + 707 030.

All the rest have moved over to Southeastern.

Thanks Peter.

Do they have a fixed diagram or does this vary day by day? Presumably traction knowledge will start to become an issue at some point..

 

[Siemens Staines]

The two 707s have a fixed diagram

Weekdays
2D90 0618 Epsom - Waterloo
2J09 0706 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J16 0753 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D15 0854 Waterloo - Guildford
2D28 1045 Guildford - Waterloo
2J29 1206 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J36 1254 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2H35 1342 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H44 1441 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H43 1542 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H52 1641 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H51 1742 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H98 1850 Shepperton - Waterloo
2O63 2030 Waterloo - Waterloo

Weekends
spare

 

[Andy1673]

The two 707s have a fixed diagram

Weekdays
2D90 0618 Epsom - Waterloo
2J09 0706 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J16 0753 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D15 0854 Waterloo - Guildford
2D28 1045 Guildford - Waterloo
2J29 1206 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J36 1254 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2H35 1342 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H44 1441 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H43 1542 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H52 1641 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H51 1742 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H98 1850 Shepperton - Waterloo
2O63 2030 Waterloo - Waterloo

Weekends
spare

and then finally 2K67 21:57 Waterloo - Waterloo

 

[Siemens Staines]

Oops, sorry I accidentally deleted 2K67

 

[The_Train]

No, it's one pair only.

707 024 + 707 030.

All the rest have moved over to Southeastern.

When did these units return to service with SWR?

 

[Class455]

The two 707s have a fixed diagram

Weekdays
2D90 0618 Epsom - Waterloo
2J09 0706 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J16 0753 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D15 0854 Waterloo - Guildford
2D28 1045 Guildford - Waterloo
2J29 1206 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J36 1254 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2H35 1342 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H44 1441 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H43 1542 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H52 1641 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H51 1742 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H98 1850 Shepperton - Waterloo
2O63 2030 Waterloo - Waterloo

Weekends
spare

Have you missed something from the start of that diagram? Just wondering how it can start from Epsom but finish at Waterloo then start in service the next day at Epsom

 

[43096]

Have you missed something from the start of that diagram? Just wondering how it can start from Epsom but finish at Waterloo then start in service the next day at Epsom

It works 5D89 0528 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Epsom Up Sidings, then 5D90 0611 Epsom Up Sidings to Epsom at the start of the day.

At the end of the day 2K67 2157 London Waterloo to London Waterloo is missing (erroneously deleted as above), then it looks like it works 5Y68 0005 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I have only listed the passenger trains. The set runs ECS from Wimbledon Park to Epsom at the start of the day and ECS from Waterloo to Wimbledon Park at the end of the day

 

[DelW]

When did these units return to service with SWR?

They were due to be transferred to SE in late October, but never did so. Posts 1603 et seq (above) refer to the transfer being rescinded.

 

[Jamesrob637]

No, it's one pair only.

707 024 + 707 030.

All the rest have moved over to Southeastern.

I've heard of a microfleet, but that's a micro micro microfleet!

 

[Big Jumby 74]

I've heard of a microfleet, but that's a micro micro microfleet!

Tongue in cheek time: SWR has missed a marketing trick there. If ever there was a case for promoting Mandelson style 'positive spin', aka, 707 fleet has 100% daily (SX) availability, that would be a first.....totally unrealistic of course in the normal scheme of things, although in my time one senior person did - in all seriousness - ask why can't 100% of (xxx unit type) be available for every day service. Can't remember my response now, but suspect after picking myself up off the floor, I would have explained about daily maintenance/exams, longer term mods etc.

 

[Siemens Staines]

If the allocations fed to RTT are correct, then since this diagram went over to the solitary pair of 707s on 20/11/23, the duo have worked it every weekday bar strike days except once on 08/12/23. On that day it was worked by 707030 solo. An impressive level of availability and a credit to the maintenance at Wimbledon Park.

 

[Goldfish62]

A 10-458 diagram has gone over to 8-455 for this week and next at least. Not sure how long it will continue, it is mainly a Reading diagram.
0550, 0920, 1250, 1620 and 1950 Waterloo-Reading
0739, 1109, 1439, 1809, 2139 Reading-Waterloo

Into the third week now so I guess it's now there until the 701s start displacing everything.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Are these gradually going to SIMS Newport too, or somewhere else?

 

[swr444]

Into the third week now so I guess it's now there until the 701s start displacing everything.

It is permanent, another 8-455 will be joining the reading diagrams in February....

 

[Towers]

Are these gradually going to SIMS Newport too, or somewhere else?

I don’t think they’re going anywhere yet, but given the number of them needing processing I would imagine Sims would be a likely candidate, certainly.