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Telegraph reporting 50-60% of services to be cut due to impact of covid

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Still no news from GTR in London.

I'd be surprised if GTR go for a reduction. They seem to be holding up reasonably well most of the time, so why go to the bother of changing what they've already designed if they don't need to? I can't see what savings there are to make by ramping down, most marginal services have already been taken away in the September and December timetables. Depends on crew availability of course, though.
 
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Cut back to run Southport to Oxford Road only

Great so Heaton Chapel and Levenshulme lose one train per hour southbound. Meaning that the only remaining ones off-peak will be Blackpool North to Hazel Grove (hell knows whether that will remain booked 6-car) and Manchester to Crewe which can either throw up a (since refurb) decent 323 or an old rusty 319 depending.
 

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Mid Cheshire line going back to 1tp2h.

At present that line is carrying a lot more school pupils then it was doing during the first lockdown. I've also noticed the 188 service is still operating for Knutsford Academy pupils only, during the first lockdown that was suspended after one day because no children of key workers needed it. The reduced timetable does fit in with normal St Nicholas & Hartford CofE times but the times don't suit schools further east and north.
 

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GTR will be cutting it's service from Monday,
I do know that the London Victoria to Portsmouth/Southampton 1C/1J services will not divide at Horsham and will become the Bognor Regis service 1B.
Horsham to Peterborough from 08.55 will be 1 an hour at xx25 past the hour.

There is a lot of cuts on the metro services where services double up or our served regularly.
 

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I'd be surprised if GTR go for a reduction. They seem to be holding up reasonably well most of the time, so why go to the bother of changing what they've already designed if they don't need to? I can't see what savings there are to make by ramping down, most marginal services have already been taken away in the September and December timetables. Depends on crew availability of course, though.

Is leasing done in part on mileage/time a unit is used ? If so, then there's savings to be made in that aspect.

GTR will be cutting it's service from Monday,
I do know that the London Victoria to Portsmouth/Southampton 1C/1J services will not divide at Horsham and will become the Bognor Regis service 1B.
Horsham to Peterborough from 08.55 will be 1 an hour at xx25 past the hour.

There is a lot of cuts on the metro services where services double up or our served regularly.

Thats the Southern side, any news on the TL/GN ?
 

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On Northern it looks to be similar to the Spring lockdown

For example on the Calder Valley, Manchester’s are reduced to hourly, with extensions to Chester running every 2 hours.

York to Blackpool only runs Leeds to Preston, and Halifax to Hull only runs Leeds to Hull on a reduced frequency

Elsewhere Leeds to Nottingham withdrawn north of Sheffield again

On the triangle, Skiptons stay half hourly, but Ilkleys and Bradford FS to Leeds reduces to hourly
 
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SWR have published revised timetables effective from this week, including a reversion to services being split at Bournemouth/Salisbury.

Unfortunately, the published timetables do not match what is actually scheduled to operate according to SWR's own journey planner and RTT. For example, the Hounslow loop service is shown in the timetable as 2tph in each direction (ie normal), but in reality is 1tph in each direction. There are many other examples.

Total farce.
1 tph on the Hounslow loop is due to the collapse of the wall at Nine Elms:
What's Going On
We’re sorry, but due to additional engineering work on our network, as well as a high number of our train crew impacted by COVID-19 we will be making the following alterations to our services from Monday 04/01/2021 onwards:
  • Reduction in service on the Hounslow Loop to one train per hour in both directions.
  • Reduction of service between Shepperton and London Waterloo (via Wimbledon) to 1 train per hour in both directions.
  • Reduction of service between Weybridge and London Waterloo (via Virginia Water) to 1 train per hour in both directions.
  • Reduction of stopping services between Basingstoke and London Waterloo to 1 train per hour in both directions.
  • Reduction of service between Alton and London Waterloo to 1 train per hour in both directions.
  • Removal of peak time additional services from Reading, Shepperton (via Twickenham), Farnham and Hounslow.
  • Removal of the 3 additional Epsom to Waterloo services in the morning peak.
  • Reduction of services between Salisbury and London Waterloo to an hourly frequency during peak periods. Some other services may also be altered or cancelled.
  • Removal of the twice daily Salisbury to Bristol services.
Further changes to timetables may need to be made at short notice in the coming weeks and months. We strongly recommend checking your journey using our Journey Planning and live train times pages closer to the time of your travel.
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/live-departures-and-arrivals
 

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No reductions on TPE according to the 18:30 news, but whether everything remains booked 6-car is another matter.
 

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Are there any reductions on TfW and Avanti? Was still.showing 2tph for Manchester-London earlier and normal TfW service from Manchester.
 

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Are there any reductions on TfW and Avanti? Was still.showing 2tph for Manchester-London earlier and normal TfW service from Manchester.
Reduction on Avanti should be uploaded to RTT within the next 24 hours, it has been announced on their website.

Should be 1tph from London to Birmingham/Manchester/Liverpool/Glasgow with a few extras to North Wales, Shrewsbury, Blackpool, Edinburgh
 

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It's mentioned further above that Styal will have no service at all. There's a large prison in Styal and prison workers are classed as critical workers, so I'd be interested to see what evidence Northern have that no-one working at the prison requires the train. I get the impression Northern are envisaging a shortage of drivers in the Manchester area again and are deciding the timetables based on how many drivers sign each line, not the demand of each line.

Northern seemed to be performing well lately, with very few cancellations due to crew shortages. I wouldn't be surprised if the timetable being implemented next week is identical to the one in use in previous lockdowns, so can be done so with ease as unit and crew diagrams will already be prepared taking pressure off of the planning team
 

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What about Scotrail ?

Heck of a lot of fresh air being carried between Edinburgh and Falkirk Grahamston

4 Trains between 6am and 7am ? - Great for me but all virtually empty.
 

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I get the impression Northern are envisaging a shortage of drivers in the Manchester area again and are deciding the timetables based on how many drivers sign each line, not the demand of each line.
While in an ideal world timetables should be based upon the anticipated usage demands, there is little point in doing so if you know that you probably won't be able to reliably operate them e.g. due to insufficient drivers signing a particular route.
Hopefully some kind of service can be devised to make the best of the less than ideal world we are living in!
 

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Now online.
The RTT timetable seems to be unfinished in places, 17-19 minute turnaround in Euston for some services (Nearest possible inbound working to that outbound) + some ECS services are still showing as running when their inbound was cancelled (Eg 5G73 for 1H73 at Manchester)
 

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While in an ideal world timetables should be based upon the anticipated usage demands, there is little point in doing so if you know that you probably won't be able to reliably operate them e.g. due to insufficient drivers signing a particular route.
Hopefully some kind of service can be devised to make the best of the less than ideal world we are living in!

Depends. If they plan to run the 09:00 service from A to B instead of the 09:00 service from A to C because there's a 99% chance they can source a driver for A to B but it's 50/50 whether a driver will be available to run the service from A to C then that's justifiable. However, if the drivers available can work either service and they choose to run A to B with lower passenger numbers because they are more likely to be able to find a last minute replacement if the booked driver phones in sick then it's less justifiable.
 

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On the triangle, Skiptons stay half hourly, but Ilkleys and Bradford FS to Leeds reduces to hourly
Its a pain for me because I can usually hop on a Bradford bound service to Shipley (eg xx:41 from Baildon), bolt over the road to the local Aldi, do my shop and be back on P3 for a return (e.g. xx:23 from Shipley) with only a few minutes wait. Now its been ruled out, and its now a taxi back...
 

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It appears that no TOC is currently planning to implement service cuts on anything like the scale we saw during the first lockdown
There are already TOCs that have published similar timetables to those imposed on 23 March.
 

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I'd be surprised if GTR go for a reduction. They seem to be holding up reasonably well most of the time, so why go to the bother of changing what they've already designed if they don't need to? I can't see what savings there are to make by ramping down, most marginal services have already been taken away in the September and December timetables. Depends on crew availability of course, though.
GTR have stated in RAIL that their main swathe of cuts will be in February, with some tinkering before that.
 

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It appears that no TOC is currently planning to implement service cuts on anything like the scale we saw during the first lockdown

Northern are in the Manchester area, with 50% of the standard off-peak frequency all day being the standard as well as an earlier finish. In the case of my station it will see 8 services per day in each direction, Mon to Fri, instead of the 23 it would normally see so only around 1/3rd of weekday services operating!
 

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I'd be surprised if GTR go for a reduction. They seem to be holding up reasonably well most of the time, so why go to the bother of changing what they've already designed if they don't need to? I can't see what savings there are to make by ramping down, most marginal services have already been taken away in the September and December timetables. Depends on crew availability of course, though.
How come they managed to hold up so well but Northern can't?
 

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GTR have stated in RAIL that their main swathe of cuts will be in February, with some tinkering before that.
I wonder why they are waiting until then? Is it simply that they need more time to draft the changes?

I can't be easy trying to draft changes when your trains interact with trains run by other TOCs and your trains have to fit in around their ones.

Few passengers.
Which TOC has the few passengers?

No that's not correct, surely.

They implemented changes on 4th January Inc taking into account Nine Elms. Then they published revised timetables effective from 11th January with no mention of the previous Nine Elms reductions.
Maybe the team who publish the 4 January changes are different to the team who deal with the 11 January PDF timetables and with everyone being busy, changes on one didn't filter to the other.

That is pure guesswork.
 

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I wonder why they are waiting until then? Is it simply that they need more time to draft the changes?

GTR run the most complex operation of all the TOCs, and the most trains. But probably the biggest factor is that they are also planning several different train services over the next few months in connection with the Kings Cross works and Werrington (knock on effects from LNER).
 

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