Transfer of WM 323s to Northern

[Liam L]

As the year draws to close, I thought I'd do a quick summary of the status of Northern Ex WMT units and Storage Units including the status of the ones which have yet to carry passengers with Northern and the ones marked 'In service' have and updates on the repaint program.

Any updates will be greatly appreciated, Wishing everyone a happy new year!

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | WMT Livery
323207: In Service | WMT Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: Not in Use | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217: In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service | WMT Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323242: West Midlands Trains | WMT Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery


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323201 / 204 / 211 / 214 / 215 / 216 / 221 / 222 / 240 - Storage at Long Marston

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

As the year draws to close, I thought I'd do a quick summary of the status of Northern Ex WMT units and Storage Units including the status of the ones which have yet to carry passengers with Northern and the ones marked 'In service' have and updates on the repaint program.

Any updates will be greatly appreciated, Wishing everyone a happy new year!

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | WMT Livery
323207: In Service | WMT Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: Not in Use | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217: In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service | WMT Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323242: West Midlands Trains | WMT Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery


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323201 / 204 / 211 / 214 / 215 / 216 / 221 / 222 / 240 - Storage at Long Marston

Perhaps it might be best to rename the thread “Transfer of WM 323s to Northern” now?

 

[Jamesrob637]

Perhaps it might be best to rename the thread “Transfer of WM 323s to Northern” now?

All WMT 323s to transfer, have now been transferred. Happy 2025!

 

[crosscity]

As the year draws to close, I thought I'd do a quick summary of the status of Northern Ex WMT units and Storage Units including the status of the ones which have yet to carry passengers with Northern and the ones marked 'In service' have and updates on the repaint program.

Any updates will be greatly appreciated, Wishing everyone a happy new year!

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | WMT Livery
323207: In Service | WMT Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: Not in Use | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217: In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service | WMT Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323242: West Midlands Trains | WMT Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery


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323201 / 204 / 211 / 214 / 215 / 216 / 221 / 222 / 240 - Storage at Long Marston

210 and 212 are at Wolverton.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

All WMT 323s to transfer, have now been transferred. Happy 2025!

I’m well aware of that but this thread is about the process of Northern onboarding them and has hardly anything to do with WMT ones anymore which is why I suggested it. Happy 2025.

 

[Liam L]

Perhaps it might be best to rename the thread “Transfer of WM 323s to Northern” now?

Good suggestion, Done. I doubt there will be much to say on the 9 storage ones going forward!

 

[superkev]

As the year draws to close, I thought I'd do a quick summary of the status of Northern Ex WMT units and Storage Units including the status of the ones which have yet to carry passengers with Northern and the ones marked 'In service' have and updates on the repaint program.

Any updates will be greatly appreciated, Wishing everyone a happy new year!

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | WMT Livery
323207: In Service | WMT Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: Not in Use | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217: In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service | WMT Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323242: West Midlands Trains | WMT Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery


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323201 / 204 / 211 / 214 / 215 / 216 / 221 / 222 / 240 - Storage at Long Marston

According to rtt 323242 is out and about today 1st Jan from Man picc in Northen livery.
K

 

[CR165022]

According to rtt 323242 is out and about today 1st Jan from Man picc in Northen livery.
K

All 323s show as Northern livery on RTT, even if they're not. 242 is still in WMT iirc.

 

[Liam L]

According to rtt 323242 is out and about today 1st Jan from Man picc in Northen livery.
K

All 323s will show in northern livery as there isn't a thing with WMT livery.

242 is still in WMT colours

 

[crosscity]

All 323s show as Northern livery on RTT, even if they're not. 242 is still in WMT iirc.

I have been reporting on the ex-WM 323's ever since the first one (208) left for Northern in Oct 2023.
As far as I know there are nine in the North still in the anonymised WM 'Gold' livery - 202 206 207 209 218 219 241 242 and 243.
As it seems to take three weeks at Wolverton for a unit to be painted, and they only seem capable of doing one unit at a time, then it could take another six months before they're all done.

Although RTT is good at telling you which unit is allocated to a particular service, it's no good for working out which one's are still in 'Gold'.

 

[43096]

I have been reporting on the ex-WM 323's ever since the first one (208) left for Northern in Oct 2023.
As far as I know there are nine in the North still in the anonymised WM 'Gold' livery - 202 206 207 209 218 219 241 242 and 243.
As it seems to take three weeks at Wolverton for a unit to be painted, and they only seem capable of doing one unit at a time, then it could take another six months before they're all done.

There's two units in at a time, currently 323212 (arr 07.12) and 323210 (arr 21.12).

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I have been reporting on the ex-WM 323's ever since the first one (208) left for Northern in Oct 2023.
As far as I know there are nine in the North still in the anonymised WM 'Gold' livery - 202 206 207 209 218 219 241 242 and 243.
As it seems to take three weeks at Wolverton for a unit to be painted, and they only seem capable of doing one unit at a time, then it could take another six months before they're all done.

Although RTT is good at telling you which unit is allocated to a particular service, it's no good for working out which one's are still in 'Gold'.

Yes, the KYT images have never been something to rely on. Until about a year ago, most TfW images were about 2 years out of date.

 

[Geeves]

Here's how the fleet is looking today

202 - Allerton
203 - Allerton
205 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
206 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
207 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
208 - Picc - Crewe
209 - Wolverton
210 - Wolverton
212 - Wolverton
213 - MIA - Blackpool N
217 - Allerton
218 - Picc - Alderley Edge / Glossop + Hadfield
219 - Picc - Crewe / Wilmslow
220 - Allerton
223 - Picc spare
224 - Blackpool N CS
225 - Allerton
226 - Liverpool LS - Wigan NW
227 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
228 - Longsight DMU depot
229 - Ardwick TMD (Later Hazel Grove)
230 - Picc - Crewe
231 - Picc - Crewe
232 - Allerton
233 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
234 - Blackpool N CS
235 - Allerton
236 - Stockport CS
237 - Blackpool N CS
238 - Allerton
239 - Allerton
241 - Allerton
242 - Man Picc - Stoke on Trent
243 - Allerton

Just one singular 323 on the Blackpool N work after the much hyped introduction so not sure what has happened there.

 

[BPN2022]

Here's how the fleet is looking today

202 - Allerton
203 - Allerton
205 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
206 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
207 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
208 - Picc - Crewe
209 - Wolverton
210 - Wolverton
212 - Wolverton
213 - MIA - Blackpool N
217 - Allerton
218 - Picc - Alderley Edge / Glossop + Hadfield
219 - Picc - Crewe / Wilmslow
220 - Allerton
223 - Picc spare
224 - Blackpool N CS
225 - Allerton
226 - Liverpool LS - Wigan NW
227 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
228 - Longsight DMU depot
229 - Ardwick TMD (Later Hazel Grove)
230 - Picc - Crewe
231 - Picc - Crewe
232 - Allerton
233 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
234 - Blackpool N CS
235 - Allerton
236 - Stockport CS
237 - Blackpool N CS
238 - Allerton
239 - Allerton
241 - Allerton
242 - Man Picc - Stoke on Trent
243 - Allerton

Just one singular 323 on the Blackpool N work after the much hyped introduction so not sure what has happened there.

Crew availability I wonder? Can’t be lack of units serviceable there are loads there!

 

[Mollman]

Spotted a pair at lunch in Preston, turned out to be 242&226 working 12:52 to Manchester Airport.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G53113/2025-01-03/detailed

 

[crosscity]

Here's how the fleet is looking today

202 - Allerton
203 - Allerton
205 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
206 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
207 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
208 - Picc - Crewe
209 - Wolverton
210 - Wolverton
212 - Wolverton
213 - MIA - Blackpool N
217 - Allerton
218 - Picc - Alderley Edge / Glossop + Hadfield
219 - Picc - Crewe / Wilmslow
220 - Allerton
223 - Picc spare
224 - Blackpool N CS
225 - Allerton
226 - Liverpool LS - Wigan NW
227 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
228 - Longsight DMU depot
229 - Ardwick TMD (Later Hazel Grove)
230 - Picc - Crewe
231 - Picc - Crewe
232 - Allerton
233 - Picc - Glossop - Hadfield
234 - Blackpool N CS
235 - Allerton
236 - Stockport CS
237 - Blackpool N CS
238 - Allerton
239 - Allerton
241 - Allerton
242 - Man Picc - Stoke on Trent
243 - Allerton

Just one singular 323 on the Blackpool N work after the much hyped introduction so not sure what has happened there.

Aren't just 210 and 212 at Wolverton? When did 209 head there?

 

[RailKnight786]

323206 on board, this morning, still in EX-WMR Livery looking nice in Snow.

 

[birchesgreen]

I was on 207 on Saturday for Crewe-Alderley Edge. It was nice to be on an old friend.

 

[Liam L]

Repaint swap Saturday

323212 coming out with another one going in.

5H70 1417 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

Realtime Trains | 5H70 1417 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 11/01/2025

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5N36 1732 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot

Realtime Trains | 5N36 1732 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot | 11/01/2025

Real-time train running information for 5N36 1732 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot on 11/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[RailKnight786]

On Board 323205 Today, Anyone know whether the budget for the Seat Coverings and interior repaint will be happening soon? One of the ticket inspector's mentioned it will be starting from next month but will be very gradual, wondered if it might have already began at Wolverton. WMR has a very cosy looking interior, while northern is more modern and clean looking.

 

[Liam L]

On Board 323205 Today, Anyone know whether the budget for the Seat Coverings and interior repaint will be happening soon? One of the ticket inspector's mentioned it will be starting from next month but will be very gradual, wondered if it might have already began at Wolverton. WMR has a very cosy looking interior, while northern is more modern and clean looking.

I believe only one unit is done to allow spares for WMR fixtures (ie seat covers) to be kept spare

 

[diligentdave]

On Board 323205 Today, Anyone know whether the budget for the Seat Coverings and interior repaint will be happening soon? One of the ticket inspector's mentioned it will be starting from next month but will be very gradual, wondered if it might have already began at Wolverton. WMR has a very cosy looking interior, while northern is more modern and clean looking.

Short answer is the refresh work could start soon (it has to be completed before Jan 26) along with some other stuff but I'm unaware of full scope.

Repaint swap Saturday

323212 coming out with another one going in.

5H70 1417 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

Realtime Trains | 5H70 1417 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings | 11/01/2025

Real-time train running information for 5H70 1417 departure from Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings on 11/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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5N36 1732 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot

Realtime Trains | 5N36 1732 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot | 11/01/2025

Real-time train running information for 5N36 1732 departure from Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot on 11/01/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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323207 should be going back in.

 

[BPN2022]

On Board 323205 Today, Anyone know whether the budget for the Seat Coverings and interior repaint will be happening soon? One of the ticket inspector's mentioned it will be starting from next month but will be very gradual, wondered if it might have already began at Wolverton. WMR has a very cosy looking interior, while northern is more modern and clean looking.

Hopefully not - makes it more interesting!

 

[crosscity]

Repaint swap Saturday

323212 coming out with another one going in.

Anyone know which one is heading South on 5H70 Allerton-Wolverton this afternoon?

 

[1D53]

As stated above its 323207.

 

[crosscity]

As stated above its 323207.

Thanks for the reply. I don't know how I missed that post!

 

[p1ash]

Northern seem to be struggling with 323 availability? Two units dropped over the weekend... today, only 15 units out of a potential of 29? Any one know any gen?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

only 15 units out of a potential of 29?

Aren't most of the units waiting on staff training before further utilization?

 

[thealexweb]

Aren't most of the units waiting on staff training before further utilization?

That argument is a bit weak surely. A lot of single 323s out on booked six car diagrams. We aren’t expecting more diagrams before the Victoria based staff are trained but we do expect Northern to have enough 323s active to avoid regular short forming.

 

[Jamesrob637]

That argument is a bit weak surely. A lot of single 323s out on booked six car diagrams. We aren’t expecting more diagrams before the Victoria based staff are trained but we do expect Northern to have enough 323s active to avoid regular short forming.

Thank God it's only January and not Blackpool tourism season

Still, those trains are also popular with Manchester commuters, especially Tuesday to Thursday.