Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

[GRALISTAIR]

Thanks! I've added this to the Wikipedia article - agree it's weird that Marsden to Huddersfield doesn't feature!

You are obviously Bellowhead678 then! Good to know. You have made many contributions which is great.

 

[Halish Railway]

Now that the Osmondthorpe Lane blockade is going on, am I right to assume that electrification progress is ramping up between Church Fenton and Leeds in the absence of running trains?

Am I also right in thinking that the team responsible for installing the electrification from Leeds to Morley is the same one that is also doing Cross Gates to Church Fenton at the moment?

 

[grdc]

Now that the Osmondthorpe Lane blockade is going on, am I right to assume that electrification progress is ramping up between Church Fenton and Leeds in the absence of running trains?

Am I also right in thinking that the team responsible for installing the electrification from Leeds to Morley is the same one that is also doing Cross Gates to Church Fenton at the moment?

From what I have observed, east and west of Leeds seem to be different contracts.

Keltbray based in Morley, did most of their work during the weekday blockades.

Murphy, based near Huddleston Hall who have been working continuously overnight for quite some time on their section east of Neville hill. Seems the Neville hill bridge replacement is part of their contract, as their vehicles were visible in the videos linked above. This might suggest their staff could be temporarily redeployed on the bridge works, and head back to the OLE masts once the bridge is in place?

 

[Tetragon213]

From what I have observed, east and west of Leeds seem to be different contracts.

Keltbray based in Morley, did most of their work during the weekday blockades.

Murphy, based near Huddleston Hall who have been working continuously overnight for quite some time on their section east of Neville hill. Seems the Neville hill bridge replacement is part of their contract, as their vehicles were visible in the videos linked above. This might suggest their staff could be temporarily redeployed on the bridge works, and head back to the OLE masts once the bridge is in place?

There is a split of sorts between East and West of Leeds teams, at least on the design side of things.

About 18 months ago, there was an, *ahem* series of incidents that resulted in work being paused on TRU West, something which the fellows on TRU East endlessly needled us for during a training event!

 

[Spartacus]

Thornhill Road, just south of Dewsbury station, has digital signs up promising a closure from January to June 2025. This is immediately adjacent to the TRU compound there.

Best get my trips to the tip in soon then to avoid a lengthy diversion due to traffic levels via Saville Town

 

[superkev]

Re Mirfield station recent works.
Another interesting Sarah Bell Youtube showing progress to form the new entrance from the road below which involved a huge hole in the island platform to reach the road below.
See

K

Further excellent Sarah Bell Youtube of the Neville hill bridge replacement. Looks to be going well with the ballast being replaced. Note the massive crane.

Whatever we often say on here about the seemingly snail pace of some rail projects Network rail certainly seem to excel at bridge replacements.
Seasons greetings to all.
Kev

 

[grdc]

Re Mirfield station recent works.
Another interesting Sarah Bell Youtube showing progress to form the new entrance from the road below which involved a huge hole in the island platform to reach the road below.
See

K

Further excellent Sarah Bell Youtube of the Neville hill bridge replacement. Looks to be going well with the ballast being replaced. Note the massive crane.

Whatever we often say on here about the seemingly snail pace of some rail projects Network rail certainly seem to excel at bridge replacements.
Seasons greetings to all.
Kev

Impressive work rate, shame she wasn't there to see the bridges being transported on top of the giant movers!

I also think it's a bit of a shame that they couldn't have taken the opportunity cut into the waste ground and widen the bridge a little, to allow two proper lanes under it and get rid of the ridiculous traffic lights. It also seems a missed opportunity not to use a lower profile deck, converting it from being a low bridge, no more risk of bridge strikes and would have allowed the buses that pass to be run as double deckers.

But, budgets, etc...

 

[InOban]

Improvements to the local road would have to be paid for by the local authority.

 

[unslet]

Impressive work rate, shame she wasn't there to see the bridges being transported on top of the giant movers!

I also think it's a bit of a shame that they couldn't have taken the opportunity cut into the waste ground and widen the bridge a little, to allow two proper lanes under it and get rid of the ridiculous traffic lights. It also seems a missed opportunity not to use a lower profile deck, converting it from being a low bridge, no more risk of bridge strikes and would have allowed the buses that pass to be run as double deckers.

But, budgets, etc...

Double deckers regularly passed under the old bridge.

 

[grdc]

Improvements to the local road would have to be paid for by the local authority.

Yes, obviously LCC would need to contribute, but Network rail would benefit from newer retaining walls,etc. Complicated sums involved, but would be nice for public bodies to pull together to make the public realm better.

Double deckers regularly passed under the old bridge.

Was thinking about this. Was it Black Prince that took deckers under there? Yorkshire Rider/First have always treated it as single decker only, with the 37 which became the 5, and the 91 all being single decker only routes. Presumably if First were happy their buses went under safely, they would do so.

I just think that wherever a bridge is being reconstructed like this, it's madness not to attempt to make it 16'6" to avoid costly repairs or safety implications following the inevitable bridge strikes that will inevitably happen.

 

[unslet]

F

Yes, obviously LCC would need to contribute, but Network rail would benefit from newer retaining walls,etc. Complicated sums involved, but would be nice for public bodies to pull together to make the public realm better.



Was thinking about this. Was it Black Prince that took deckers under there? Yorkshire Rider/First have always treated it as single decker only, with the 37 which became the 5, and the 91 all being single decker only routes. Presumably if First were happy their buses went under safely, they would do so.

I just think that wherever a bridge is being reconstructed like this, it's madness not to attempt to make it 16'6" to avoid costly repairs or safety implications following the inevitable bridge strikes that will inevitably happen.

First Leeds double deckers bravely undertook the journey to Halton Moor. The old number 44.

 

[grdc]

F

First Leeds double deckers bravely undertook the journey to Halton Moor. The old number 44.

Bravely?

Apologies for.drifting off topic.Coincidentally the 44 was a route I drove with Quickstep Travel at the turn of the millennium, when it took a magical crazy route from the White Rose centre to Pudsey via pretty much everywhere except Osmondthorpe Lane.

Not sure how far back you're talking, but it's not inconceivable that LCT or Yorkshire Rider had low height deckers back then?

 

[Grumpy]

Not sure how far back you're talking, but it's not inconceivable that LCT or Yorkshire Rider had low height deckers back then?

Don't think LCT had any low height deckers. I believe YR had some low height Northern Counties Fleetlines operating out of Todmorden because of the garage roof height. I may be confused-the memory plays tricks. Of course they could have inherited some when they acquired West Yorkshire but don't recall seeing pictures of these on old LCT routes.

 

[Cowley]

The discussion about buses is very much off topic for an infrastructure thread. So I think we can leave that where it is for now thanks.

 

[darylyates17]

Apologies if ive missed it but NLWs platform extensions are now in use but 802s are still to have the ASDO updated noticed 6 car 185s at LEG still need updating as well.

 

[dodecahedron67]

Apologies if ive missed it but NLWs platform extensions are now in use but 802s are still to have the ASDO updated noticed 6 car 185s at LEG still need updating as well.

6-185 at LEG is purely luck based on if the driver stops bang on or not as the CASDO system on a 185 is pretty basic and simplistic - train go over beacon, every carriage that goes over beacon will be allowed to open.

Officially it’s 5.185 in documentation

NLW extensions have been open for about 3 weeks now, 802 ASDO database update ‘pending’

 

[darylyates17]

6-185 at LEG is purely luck based on if the driver stops bang on or not as the CASDO system on a 185 is pretty basic and simplistic - train go over beacon, every carriage that goes over beacon will be allowed to open.

Officially it’s 5.185 in documentation

NLW extensions have been open for about 3 weeks now, 802 ASDO database update ‘pending’

I knew the 185s were beacon based, I would assume the beacons need moving further down the platforms to prevent this from occurring.

 

[Ploughman]

Translation required.
6-185 at LEG is purely luck based on if the driver stops bang on or not as the CASDO system

I can work out 6-185 as a 6 coach train but the rest LEG and CASDO?

 

[darylyates17]

Translation required.
6-185 at LEG is purely luck based on if the driver stops bang on or not as the CASDO system

I can work out 6-185 as a 6 coach train but the rest LEG and CASDO?

LEG is the station code for Lea Green ASDO means Auto Select Door Opening, I'm not sure what the C means in CASDO though.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I'm not sure what the C means in CASDO though.

CASDO (Coach based Automatic Selective Door Operation)

185 carriages individually "talk" to ground beacons that say which doors can open, there's one at the start and one at the end of relevant platforms, it can handle both overshoots and undershoots.

Caught me out at Irlam once as I think the train fell just short of the beacon (Despite the train being comfortably fully on the platform) and we had to rush up to the 5th carriage (from outside)

 

[Killingworth]

CASDO (Coach based Automatic Selective Door Operation)

185 carriages individually "talk" to ground beacons that say which doors can open, there's one at the start and one at the end of relevant platforms, it can handle both overshoots and undershoots.

Caught me out at Irlam once as I think the train fell just short of the beacon (Despite the train being comfortably fully on the platform) and we had to rush up to the 5th carriage (from outside)

It amuses me when an eastbound 6 car 185 approaches Sheffield and a warning is made that Sheffield has a short platform so customers should move forward to the first 5 coaches. (Assuming everyone knows which coach they're in.)

 

[L+Y]

Apologies to repeat myself as I asked this previously- but think I've missed the answer. With masts now going in west of Church Fenton, has any decision been reached about any four tracking east of Leeds?

 

[YorksLad12]

It amuses me when an eastbound 6 car 185 approaches Sheffield and a warning is made that Sheffield has a short platform so customers should move forward to the first 5 coaches. (Assuming everyone knows which coach they're in.)

This also happens on a 2-car class 195 pulling in to the rather lengthy P5. It also happens / happened to me once at Huddersfield (when arriving on the equally rather lengthy P1) with 2x185.

 

[dodecahedron67]

CASDO has it’s quirks for definite. The beacon on the Up Chat Moss (Eastbound) platform at Lea Green has been moved but it’s still quite a tight fit.
I’ve had sometimes 5 coaches sometimes 6 open so I always announce it as 5

Some other places where 5 instead of 6, even when 6 fit, can happen:
Huddersfield P8
Leeds 11C/D
Thornaby both platforms
Manchester Victoria P3 (has been playing up for a bit and needing an override, randomly not opening all doors)

 

[YorkshireBear]

Apologies to repeat myself as I asked this previously- but think I've missed the answer. With masts now going in west of Church Fenton, has any decision been reached about any four tracking east of Leeds?

I don't believe so based on plans for thorpe park station. I think it's passive provision being made.

 

[childwallblues]

LEG is the station code for Lea Green ASDO means Auto Select Door Opening, I'm not sure what the C means in CASDO though.

I got admonished by the moderators some time ago for using three latter station codes but that policy seems to have gone by the wayside by the number of codes in the current posts.

 

[dodecahedron67]

CASDO (Coach based Automatic Selective Door Operation)

185 carriages individually "talk" to ground beacons that say which doors can open, there's one at the start and one at the end of relevant platforms, it can handle both overshoots and undershoots.

Just a point - there’s no beacon at the end and CASDO gives no protection against overshoots

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Just a point - there’s no beacon at the end and CASDO gives no protection against overshoots

Ah, I was under the interpretation that it was and did.
Thanks.

 

[IanXC]

I got admonished by the moderators some time ago for using three latter station codes but that policy seems to have gone by the wayside by the number of codes in the current posts.

Without entering into a debate about it, as this isn't the place.... This will simply be that the staff haven't seen the particular posts you're referring to, if you see such things in future, do use the report function and then the staff will be able to act, you can't assume they have chance to read every post on the forum!

 

[Narrowgauge725]

Big crane in on Bradford Road Huddersfield. Town centre awash with rail replacement buses I must have passed 20 but could only see 3 passengers.

Another piece waiting to be lifted