Transport for Wales 769's

[PHILIPE]

Can you explain what the Q means please? RTT says 'runs as required' so I guess there's no guarantee the path will be used, but then as we've seen already, there's never any guarantee any 769 path will ever definitely be used

You've answered your own question Runs as required so the path is there just in case.

 

[Anonymous10]

Can you explain what the Q means please? RTT says 'runs as required' so I guess there's no guarantee the path will be used, but then as we've seen already, there's never any guarantee any 769 path will ever definitely be used


I can't see how all 30 Pacers can go whilst we are still living with social distancing under Covid. I read in RAIL or MR (can't remember which) that 5 or 6 more EMR 153s have gone into warm storage. If there are more 153s going spare maybe TfW should take on those to send some Pacers to Newport Sims. TfW seem to have put the 153s they have to good use.

Honestly I don't think a non prm 153 is any better than a pacer just saying look pacer gone it's no better I'd take them tho to hook to 153 prm units so as to allow social distancing

 

[Cardiff123]

Honestly I don't think a non prm 153 is any better than a pacer just saying look pacer gone it's no better I'd take them tho to hook to 153 prm units so as to allow social distancing

I was on a TfW 142 last week, and whilst it gets you from A to B, it was a pretty grim experience and I got the impression TfW have given up on keeping the Pacers in an acceptable condition now. The Pacers certainly don't give off the kind of messages about improving the service that TfW want to convey.

 

[Anonymous10]

I was on a TfW 142 last week, and whilst it gets you from A to B, it was a pretty grim experience and I got the impression TfW have given up on keeping the Pacers in an acceptable condition now. The Pacers certainly don't give off the kind of messages about improving the service that TfW want to convey.

I understand that I had them all winter in West Wales I don't find them terrible personally but they do need to go but then a 153 is worse for social distancing imo

 

[Dai Corner]

I can't see how all 30 Pacers can go whilst we are still living with social distancing under Covid. I read in RAIL or MR (can't remember which) that 5 or 6 more EMR 153s have gone into warm storage. If there are more 153s going spare maybe TfW should take on those to send some Pacers to Newport Sims. TfW seem to have put the 153s they have to good use.

The Welsh Government would have to decide between asking the DfT for another extension for the Pacers (which may or may not be granted) and declaring that it is safe to sit next to a stranger on a train after all.

 

[PHILIPE]

Although not directly re 769 but discussion connected to it. The Thunderbird Loco at Rhymney changed over this afternoon, 37175 up to replace 37418

 

[Bob Price]

Today's double running hasn't happened as planned. 5Z92 cancelled at Cardiff. The early 5Z69 arrived at Rhymney on time however.

 

[PHILIPE]

Today's double running hasn't happened as planned. 5Z92 cancelled at Cardiff. The early 5Z69 arrived at Rhymney on time however.

The paths are available if TFW need to use them

 

[Bob Price]

The paths are available if TFW need to use them

Yes I get that and understand how paths work. However this is the first time that paths to run two units at once has occurred. As it is 5Z72 is heading for Penarth and 5Z94 is at Pontllotyn. Doesn't mean they are both 769's but could be.

 

[PHILIPE]

Yes I get that and understand how paths work. However this is the first time that paths to run two units at once has occurred. As it is 5Z72 is heading for Penarth and 5Z94 is at Pontllotyn. Doesn't mean they are both 769's but could be.

Two out this afternoon 769002 and 769003 for the first time, and appears one will stay at Rhymney tonight

 

[Paul Dancey]

769002 at Penarth this afternoon. First time I've seen or heard one in the flesh. So much nicer sounding than the sprinters and pacers we usually get. Looking forward to catching one when they come into service.

 

[anthony263]

Sounds like things are picking up a bit now

still git to get used to seeing these units at penarth

 

[PHILIPE]

769002 and 769003 both out this morning and caused congestion at Tirphil

 

[Philip Roberts]

008 is not out at the moment. Does that mean it may have finished it's testing and coming in to passenger use soon?

 

[PHILIPE]

008 is not out at the moment. Does that mean it may have finished it's testing and coming in to passenger use soon?

It can't enter passenger service until a degree of driver training has been done

 

[Jamesrob637]

769002 and 769003 both out this morning and caused congestion at Tirphil

3 years late yet causes a hold-up. You couldn't make that up.

 

[PHILIPE]

3 years late yet causes a hold-up. You couldn't make that up.

This was caused by a temporary fault on a service train and the single line section.

 

[Anonymous10]

3 years late yet causes a hold-up. You couldn't make that up.

What's a short hold up when these are 3 years late I don't see the issue

 

[Bob Price]

To be honest so far the runs today have been OK. Two on the go as I type. Don't want to jinx it but this is definite progress.

 

[Caaardiff]

One didn't make it off Canton on Monday. Failed on departure.

 

[Anonymous10]

One didn't make it off Canton on Monday. Failed on departure.

Hiccups are inevitable the fact they got some out is good

 

[JN114]

To be honest so far the runs today have been OK. Two on the go as I type. Don't want to jinx it but this is definite progress.

As has been said in the past it’s just taking time for those that operate and maintain them to get used to the new systems - as old as the trains are there’s a lot of new kit on board. The increased availability and reliability is only proving right those who’ve said as such all along.

Had we not had Covid, or the exhaust re-certification delays we’d have been at this phase well over a year ago.

 

[Caaardiff]

Hiccups are inevitable the fact they got some out is good

At this stage of the program there should be regular, reliable testings going on and near the stage for train crew training. Currently there's regular, unreliable testings happening.

If we have only now reached a point where 'getting some out' is an acceptable stage, then it's not going to be a successful program.

 

[Senna1210]

At this stage of the program there should be regular, reliable testings going on and near the stage for train crew training. Currently there's regular, unreliable testings happening.

If we have only now reached a point where 'getting some out' is an acceptable stage, then it's not going to be a successful program.

And you are the Program manager? the project manager ? the Training manager ? or just a passer by?

Another four runs of driver training completed today by the 2 sets

One did not fail on depot on Tuesday BTW

next week we are back down to 1 running before someone freaks out lol

 

[Bob Price]

I have noticed the runs are listed as TfW services. The 230s testing on the Wrexham Bidston are run by ROG. Training rather than testing.

 

[Philip Roberts]

I have noticed the runs are listed as TfW services. The 230s testing on the Wrexham Bidston are run by ROG. Training rather than testing.

They've just been authorised for public use so all runs will now be for driver training

 

[Bob Price]

They've just been authorised for public use so all runs will now be for driver training

Indeed, good news. However my point is the 769s seem to be further advanced as they are being run by TfW not FL or ROG.

 

[Max]

769002 at Penarth this afternoon. First time I've seen or heard one in the flesh. So much nicer sounding than the sprinters and pacers we usually get. Looking forward to catching one when they come into service.


As a former TL commuter (Peckham-Farringdon), now living in Penarth, this is a very strange sight! How often do they get down to here? One of the advantages of the work from home regime is the opportunity to go for a casual local walk during the day!

 

[PHILIPE]

Indeed, good news. However my point is the 769s seem to be further advanced as they are being run by TfW not FL or ROG.

It depends on when they have been handed over and accepted by the TOC who operates them

 

[Cardiff123]

As a former TL commuter (Peckham-Farringdon), now living in Penarth, this is a very strange sight! How often do they get down to here? One of the advantages of the work from home regime is the opportunity to go for a casual local walk during the day!

Realtime Trains - 5Z72 1357 Bargoed to Penarth

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This is the path for testing/training runs to Penarth next week. The 769 is due in Penarth around 3pm, but there's no guarantee it will run to Penarth on any day, as it's a 'runs as required' path. Although it ran to Penarth on 3 days last week.