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Trips by Bus and Coach: Your reports

RELL6L

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With all this wet weather I was beginning to get withdrawal symptoms from taking trips so I spotted signs of a good day on Monday this week. Originally the forecasts said it would be good for the whole of the north so I considered a long-standing Lancashire trip, later the forecasts said I should stay east of the Pennines so I opted for one around Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire. By Sunday evening the forecast said I shouldn’t have bothered – but it was too late so I carried on anyway…

Sunrise, a bit later than last week due to the clocks going forward, found me in Gainsborough in Lincolnshire. Not the most beautiful town but some charms and an attractive shopping centre slightly outside the historical town centre saw me with some breakfast. Today was to involve quite a bit of Stagecoach East Midlands, an operator with one of the worst records at the moment for cancellations, so I had carefully researched from their website and BusTimes which journeys got cancelled most regularly and kept the most up-to-date Twitter information loaded on my phone. My first leg was to Retford and BusTimes showed that the first 95 journey reliably provided a double decker, presumably with school traffic. So it transpired, with an 06-plate Dennis Trident on this remaining portion of the long-standing 95 route from Lincoln to Sheffield. We headed off with a few on board round a number of reasonably attractive villages, when we hit North Leverton there were at least 30 school children waiting, hence the decker. They seemed well behaved and we continued our roundabout route into Retford.

The second leg was to continue west to Worksop, again with Stagecoach East Midland but this time from Worskop depot. The vehicle was a Scania K230UB single decker, one of a batch originally used on the 19/A from Worksop to Rotherham but now used on a variety of other work around the area since the 19/A now see only deckers. This journey took us past Ranby prison and the long way round through the industrial and distribution parks of Manton, conveniently located for the A1, before heading through an uninviting estate on the edge of Worksop and into town. There was still custom for these logistics warehouses and the fact that the service starts up at 4.45am suggests there is a demand for public transport to them. In Worksop I could have headed straight on towards my next destination as the previous departure was just loading at the stand but I waited and strolled around the town centre for a short while, unremarkable but the priory, gatehouse and Memorial Gardens are worth a few minutes.

My next leg was to Rotherham on the Stagecoach 19/19A. I had done this before as far as Dinnington but not to Rotherham. My BusTimes research on this journey showed it ran reliably but with great variety as to what vehicle worked it, sometimes coming off an earlier departure or sometimes off other routes but usually not straight off the 19 due in immediately before. The departure board showed it would be about 10 minutes late which tied up with the late incoming working but I did keep an close eye on the buses parked up at the other end of the bus station. Sure enough a driver came over and invited us to board for Rotherham at a stand at the far end from the correct one and we left, by this time 15 minutes late so I was beginning to wish I had taken the earlier one. This bus was a double deck Scania which had fairly recently come in as a 77. The driver was very positive, without being aggressive, and we caught up to within a couple of minutes of our schedule before falling slightly further back as we picked up heavy loads on the last section into Rotherham. We went through Dinnington where I had visited in about 1990 on a Northern Bus Bristol RE extravaganza day; I have no recollection of the place, just the splendid collection of immaculate REs and in particular charging flat out on the M1 on a Leyland engined one – great times! Passing through Thurcroft we met two 19/A buses in quick succession, the first one out of service being the departure before mine which I had turned down and which hadn’t made it all the way to Rotherham, although it had made it to the suburbs from where alternatives would have been available on First to get into town. Given the regular cancellation of certain journeys this would have given a three hour gap on the 19A heading south through Woodsetts in the morning and a three hour gap heading north during the afternoon – very poor. The very last section into Rotherham past the hospital was very busy, it seems the 19/19A are the main routes serving the hospital so the previous short-working would have led to a long wait for some. Looking at it now I am surprised how few buses there are in the south east corner of Rotherham.

Although there had been breaks in the cloud right from the start during the morning it had been quite overcast, but by the time we got to Rotherham the sun had broken through and it stayed the predominant weather feature for the rest of the day, although the wind had quite a chill to it. I had been to Rotherham in January last year so this was not new here, although that was even colder and I enjoyed alighting at the top of the town centre and walking down past the Minster and some reasonably attractive streets to the interchange.

Although nearly all of the sections of route on this trip were new to me, I had been to all the places before except for the next one, Conisbrough. From Rotherham I took the X78 towards Doncaster and alighted in the very attractive former mining community of Conisbrough. An attractive church in the village centre and a splendid medieval castle. It wasn’t open for viewing but is majestic in its position on the side of the hill overlooking the adjacent valley. After a few minutes here I continued to Doncaster on the next X78, both journeys being 12-plate Volvo B9TLs in the smart red and yellow colours.

A short stay in Doncaster with a quick walk around the central shopping streets but, since my next leg was on the legendary Northern Trains, I did not want to risk a cancellation and being unable to complete the intended circuit, so I went to the station and took the train on to Goole. Almost no way to take a bus over this section now, although you could take the bus to Thorne and then a train on from there to Goole. As a result I had an hour and a half in Goole, which is probably an hour more than necessary, although a google search sees it described as Yorkshire’s best kept secret! Best to leave it secret then I think but I was able to relax for a while and just sit by the river having taken in the sights in the first few minutes, There is an impressive church, fine floral arrangements by the pedestrianised street and some very attractive houses along the river frontage, although such a high embankment has been created to prevent flooding that I suspect the river cannot actually be seen from the houses. The dock area is industrial with no public access and the shops – pound shops and charity shops - the less said the better.

My bus onwards was with East Yorkshire, well away from their main operating area, being the 361 to Scunthorpe. This route is some distance from the Elloughton base and there must be significant empty runs at the start and end of the day and long breaks between journeys at the Scunthorpe end while I imagine drivers interwork with the town services and maybe even the infrequent 55 from Hull. It would appear that the tender – for I am sure it is tendered – envisaged it being won by an operator at the Scunthorpe end, such as Stagecoach with a base in the town, but East Yorkshire have run this for a few years, invariably with double deckers. Mine was no exception, an 09-plate Volvo B9TL. The route starts crossing the River Ouse by the docks, then runs alongside it for a while, then heads across utterly flat landscape, although with distant hills visible to the east across the Trent. I have no doubt that on a dull grey day this is depressing, but on a glorious afternoon with the sun behind us it was quite charming, especially the sections alongside the river with distant views of Goole church, old windmills and even a lighthouse. Quite a number of attractive old houses in some of the villages too. Very few passengers mind you, I feel the service is lucky to survive especially as it crosses between East Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire. Just before Scunthorpe we met the other bus which had a number of college students on board, but this didn’t appear to be a double-decker load. Crowle looked reasonably attractive but I didn’t have time to get off and explore the town. Not much to see in Scunthorpe but there was a reasonably modern statue celebrating the town’s steelmaking heritage.

My final leg was on the Stagecoach East Midlands (aka Lincolnshire) 100, one of the strategic InterConnect routes from Scunthorpe to Gainsborough and Lincoln, run by modern E400s. Quite a few on board with others joining around the town centre, the route included surprisingly attractive villages such as Scotter and diversions off the main road to both east and west. Back at Gainsborough there were plenty of people enjoying the early evening sunshine now the clocks have gone forward and the town looked considerably better than in the morning. Just in a few minutes I saw a number of elderly Tridents heading back to the depot after their afternoon’s work, including the one used on my first bus of the day which had been out on a school run south of Lincoln: in fact Gainsborough have a number of old Tridents as old as 02-plate.

I really enjoy the variety of the trips I do. They can’t all be gorgeous mountain scenery or attractive coasts, one should not leave out the gritty and less celebrated towns and villages. This trip did not score on scenery or attractive towns, although Conisbrough was a delight and the flat countryside south east of Goole was charming in the afternoon spring sunshine. The trip made the best of the decent weather as I didn’t have the time to go any further north, it had been on my ‘to do’ list for some time and was most enjoyable.

Some photos:
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Retford

2 Rotherham.JPG
Rotherham

3 Conisbrough Castle.JPG
Conisbrough castle
4 Goole town centre.JPG
Goole

5 The river at Goole.JPG
The river at Goole

6 Goole from across the river.JPG
Goole from across the river

7 Ousefleet with Whitgift lighthouse.JPG
The river and lighthouse at Ousefleet

8 Scunthorpe.JPG
Scunthorpe

9 Gainsborough.JPG
Gainsborough
 
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With all this wet weather I was beginning to get withdrawal symptoms from taking trips so I spotted signs of a good day on Monday this week. Originally the forecasts said it would be good for the whole of the north so I considered a long-standing Lancashire trip, later the forecasts said I should stay east of the Pennines so I opted for one around Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire. By Sunday evening the forecast said I shouldn’t have bothered – but it was too late so I carried on anyway…

Sunrise, a bit later than last week due to the clocks going forward, found me in Gainsborough in Lincolnshire. Not the most beautiful town but some charms and an attractive shopping centre slightly outside the historical town centre saw me with some breakfast. Today was to involve quite a bit of Stagecoach East Midlands, an operator with one of the worst records at the moment for cancellations, so I had carefully researched from their website and BusTimes which journeys got cancelled most regularly and kept the most up-to-date Twitter information loaded on my phone. My first leg was to Retford and BusTimes showed that the first 95 journey reliably provided a double decker, presumably with school traffic. So it transpired, with an 06-plate Dennis Trident on this remaining portion of the long-standing 95 route from Lincoln to Sheffield. We headed off with a few on board round a number of reasonably attractive villages, when we hit North Leverton there were at least 30 school children waiting, hence the decker. They seemed well behaved and we continued our roundabout route into Retford.

The second leg was to continue west to Worksop, again with Stagecoach East Midland but this time from Worskop depot. The vehicle was a Scania K230UB single decker, one of a batch originally used on the 19/A from Worksop to Rotherham but now used on a variety of other work around the area since the 19/A now see only deckers. This journey took us past Ranby prison and the long way round through the industrial and distribution parks of Manton, conveniently located for the A1, before heading through an uninviting estate on the edge of Worksop and into town. There was still custom for these logistics warehouses and the fact that the service starts up at 4.45am suggests there is a demand for public transport to them. In Worksop I could have headed straight on towards my next destination as the previous departure was just loading at the stand but I waited and strolled around the town centre for a short while, unremarkable but the priory, gatehouse and Memorial Gardens are worth a few minutes.

My next leg was to Rotherham on the Stagecoach 19/19A. I had done this before as far as Dinnington but not to Rotherham. My BusTimes research on this journey showed it ran reliably but with great variety as to what vehicle worked it, sometimes coming off an earlier departure or sometimes off other routes but usually not straight off the 19 due in immediately before. The departure board showed it would be about 10 minutes late which tied up with the late incoming working but I did keep an close eye on the buses parked up at the other end of the bus station. Sure enough a driver came over and invited us to board for Rotherham at a stand at the far end from the correct one and we left, by this time 15 minutes late so I was beginning to wish I had taken the earlier one. This bus was a double deck Scania which had fairly recently come in as a 77. The driver was very positive, without being aggressive, and we caught up to within a couple of minutes of our schedule before falling slightly further back as we picked up heavy loads on the last section into Rotherham. We went through Dinnington where I had visited in about 1990 on a Northern Bus Bristol RE extravaganza day; I have no recollection of the place, just the splendid collection of immaculate REs and in particular charging flat out on the M1 on a Leyland engined one – great times! Passing through Thurcroft we met two 19/A buses in quick succession, the first one out of service being the departure before mine which I had turned down and which hadn’t made it all the way to Rotherham, although it had made it to the suburbs from where alternatives would have been available on First to get into town. Given the regular cancellation of certain journeys this would have given a three hour gap on the 19A heading south through Woodsetts in the morning and a three hour gap heading north during the afternoon – very poor. The very last section into Rotherham past the hospital was very busy, it seems the 19/19A are the main routes serving the hospital so the previous short-working would have led to a long wait for some. Looking at it now I am surprised how few buses there are in the south east corner of Rotherham.

Although there had been breaks in the cloud right from the start during the morning it had been quite overcast, but by the time we got to Rotherham the sun had broken through and it stayed the predominant weather feature for the rest of the day, although the wind had quite a chill to it. I had been to Rotherham in January last year so this was not new here, although that was even colder and I enjoyed alighting at the top of the town centre and walking down past the Minster and some reasonably attractive streets to the interchange.

Although nearly all of the sections of route on this trip were new to me, I had been to all the places before except for the next one, Conisbrough. From Rotherham I took the X78 towards Doncaster and alighted in the very attractive former mining community of Conisbrough. An attractive church in the village centre and a splendid medieval castle. It wasn’t open for viewing but is majestic in its position on the side of the hill overlooking the adjacent valley. After a few minutes here I continued to Doncaster on the next X78, both journeys being 12-plate Volvo B9TLs in the smart red and yellow colours.

A short stay in Doncaster with a quick walk around the central shopping streets but, since my next leg was on the legendary Northern Trains, I did not want to risk a cancellation and being unable to complete the intended circuit, so I went to the station and took the train on to Goole. Almost no way to take a bus over this section now, although you could take the bus to Thorne and then a train on from there to Goole. As a result I had an hour and a half in Goole, which is probably an hour more than necessary, although a google search sees it described as Yorkshire’s best kept secret! Best to leave it secret then I think but I was able to relax for a while and just sit by the river having taken in the sights in the first few minutes, There is an impressive church, fine floral arrangements by the pedestrianised street and some very attractive houses along the river frontage, although such a high embankment has been created to prevent flooding that I suspect the river cannot actually be seen from the houses. The dock area is industrial with no public access and the shops – pound shops and charity shops - the less said the better.

My bus onwards was with East Yorkshire, well away from their main operating area, being the 361 to Scunthorpe. This route is some distance from the Elloughton base and there must be significant empty runs at the start and end of the day and long breaks between journeys at the Scunthorpe end while I imagine drivers interwork with the town services and maybe even the infrequent 55 from Hull. It would appear that the tender – for I am sure it is tendered – envisaged it being won by an operator at the Scunthorpe end, such as Stagecoach with a base in the town, but East Yorkshire have run this for a few years, invariably with double deckers. Mine was no exception, an 09-plate Volvo B9TL. The route starts crossing the River Ouse by the docks, then runs alongside it for a while, then heads across utterly flat landscape, although with distant hills visible to the east across the Trent. I have no doubt that on a dull grey day this is depressing, but on a glorious afternoon with the sun behind us it was quite charming, especially the sections alongside the river with distant views of Goole church, old windmills and even a lighthouse. Quite a number of attractive old houses in some of the villages too. Very few passengers mind you, I feel the service is lucky to survive especially as it crosses between East Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire. Just before Scunthorpe we met the other bus which had a number of college students on board, but this didn’t appear to be a double-decker load. Crowle looked reasonably attractive but I didn’t have time to get off and explore the town. Not much to see in Scunthorpe but there was a reasonably modern statue celebrating the town’s steelmaking heritage.

My final leg was on the Stagecoach East Midlands (aka Lincolnshire) 100, one of the strategic InterConnect routes from Scunthorpe to Gainsborough and Lincoln, run by modern E400s. Quite a few on board with others joining around the town centre, the route included surprisingly attractive villages such as Scotter and diversions off the main road to both east and west. Back at Gainsborough there were plenty of people enjoying the early evening sunshine now the clocks have gone forward and the town looked considerably better than in the morning. Just in a few minutes I saw a number of elderly Tridents heading back to the depot after their afternoon’s work, including the one used on my first bus of the day which had been out on a school run south of Lincoln: in fact Gainsborough have a number of old Tridents as old as 02-plate.

I really enjoy the variety of the trips I do. They can’t all be gorgeous mountain scenery or attractive coasts, one should not leave out the gritty and less celebrated towns and villages. This trip did not score on scenery or attractive towns, although Conisbrough was a delight and the flat countryside south east of Goole was charming in the afternoon spring sunshine. The trip made the best of the decent weather as I didn’t have the time to go any further north, it had been on my ‘to do’ list for some time and was most enjoyable.

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Retford

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Rotherham

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Conisbrough castle
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Goole

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The river at Goole

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Goole from across the river

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The river and lighthouse at Ousefleet

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Scunthorpe

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Gainsborough
Thank you for an interesting trip report @RELL6L. Quite a varied trip; the Goole to Scunny is one route I've been meaning to do for a long time. Apart from a few elements, all of your journey involved places/trips that I've not experienced by bus. Dinnington to Rotherham (19) was one I've done and that was in the days of Northern Bus; same day involved by only trip on the X78 east of Rotherham with one of Mainline's Dennis Dominators and I'd be interested to see the refurb on those vehicles; the ones of the same batch in Bath and Southend are looking really shabby inside now.

I've enjoyed the less than scenic delights of Goole at various times. Despite your best efforts, you'd be doing well to make places like there and Scunny look particularly attractive though there are some nice bits of Rotherham that you've captured, and I've always liked Retford - a bit nondescript but quite pleasant.

It's a strange area - the badlands of North Lincolnshire, the rural, former mining areas of southern South Yorkshire, a bit of pleasant Notts and Gainsborough, which is just a bit dull. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Today 31/03/2023 - Hereford & South Wales

Journey from Oxford starts on GWR IET 800001, and I travelled in first class too, which was quite nice (only £9.20 too which for a first class ticket it's an absolute bargain! Rode 800001 until Worcester Foregate Street

Then WMR 172332 to Hereford, the rather interesting train that sounds like a bus (due to the 172s having ZF Ecomat gearboxes).

2 hour visit in Hereford visiting the cathedral and the Black & White House. Lovely city, worth visiting!

After that, my first bus of the day is Stagecoach South Wales Scania K230UB ADL Enviro300 28722 (YN15 KFR) on the X3 to Cardiff, however, I only went as far as Pontypool on that journey (I did do the full X3 route to Cardiff but broke my journey to visit Pontypool). X3 is a lovely scenic route, however I recommend riding it north of Pontypool for the best parts (south of Pontypool you get some scenic spots towards Cwmbran but otherwise not that interesting). Weirdly for Stagecoach, 28722 had seatbelts too, and it even had a moquette cushion in front of the front seat which was strange (you'll see it in the photos I'll send). I believe 28722 was new to the now withdrawn X4? (Cardiff - Abergavenney via Merthyr Tydfil)

A short visit to Pontypool. Has a nice park but sadly the town looked a bit run down and not well looked after.

To ride the remaining bit of the X3 to Cardiff, I ride another Scania E300, this time 28732 (YN15 KGE). Again, as with 28722 it has the weird moquette cushion in front of the front seat and 2 point seatbelts.

Overall, a great time! And now here I am GWR 802106 going back to Oxford via Swindon & Didcot Parkway

Now, as for the photos (from top to bottom if using mobile phone)

1-5) Pontypool
6-7) What I mean by Stagecoach's weird moquette cushion in front of the front seats
8) Hereford's Black & White House
9) GWR's first class on the Class 800/802s
 

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Thanks to @TheGrandWazoo for his comments on my recent trip. I agree Goole to Scunthorpe is worth doing, but different!

Thanks also to @SouthEastBuses for his report. I think Hereford is a lovely city although the busy road detracts from parts of the centre. The X3 is a good route especially north of Abergavenny, at one point it looked like it was getting deckers but these seem to have moved to the Rhondda valley.

Looks like this week could be good weather for trips but I can’t do anything due to family commitments.
 

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Thanks to @TheGrandWazoo for his comments on my recent trip. I agree Goole to Scunthorpe is worth doing, but different!

Thanks also to @SouthEastBuses for his report. I think Hereford is a lovely city although the busy road detracts from parts of the centre. The X3 is a good route especially north of Abergavenny, at one point it looked like it was getting deckers but these seem to have moved to the Rhondda valley.

Looks like this week could be good weather for trips but I can’t do anything due to family commitments.

The X3 did have some ex Oxford Scania N230UD ADL Enviro400s for a while, then they got replaced by Optare Solos and now it's Scania K230UB ADL Enviro300s
 

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The X3 did have some ex Oxford Scania N230UD ADL Enviro400s for a while, then they got replaced by Optare Solos and now it's Scania K230UB ADL Enviro300s

I think the Scania E300s were on it before the deckers, I took the X3 on a trip in 2019 from - bizarrely—Ammanford and I got one then.
 

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I think the Scania E300s were on it before the deckers, I took the X3 on a trip in 2019 from - bizarrely—Ammanford and I got one then.

Ammanford? Don't you mean Abergavenny?

Ammanford is miles away, near Swansea!
 

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Ammanford? Don't you mean Abergavenny?

Ammanford is miles away, near Swansea!

Indeed!
First bus at 6am from Ammanford to Swansea station
Train to Abergavenny
X3 to Hereford
461, pausing an hour in Weobley, then on to Kington and Llandrindod Wells.
Builth Wells
Llanrwtyd Wells
Train to Llandeilo
Ammanford
 

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Haven't posted in a while, but yeah!

Today 31/03/2023 - Hereford & South Wales

Journey from Oxford starts on GWR IET 800001, and I travelled in first class too, which was quite nice (only £9.20 too which for a first class ticket it's an absolute bargain! Rode 800001 until Worcester Foregate Street

Then WMR 172332 to Hereford, the rather interesting train that sounds like a bus (due to the 172s having ZF Ecomat gearboxes).

2 hour visit in Hereford visiting the cathedral and the Black & White House. Lovely city, worth visiting!

After that, my first bus of the day is Stagecoach South Wales Scania K230UB ADL Enviro300 28722 (YN15 KFR) on the X3 to Cardiff, however, I only went as far as Pontypool on that journey (I did do the full X3 route to Cardiff but broke my journey to visit Pontypool). X3 is a lovely scenic route, however I recommend riding it north of Pontypool for the best parts (south of Pontypool you get some scenic spots towards Cwmbran but otherwise not that interesting). Weirdly for Stagecoach, 28722 had seatbelts too, and it even had a moquette cushion in front of the front seat which was strange (you'll see it in the photos I'll send). I believe 28722 was new to the now withdrawn X4? (Cardiff - Abergavenney via Merthyr Tydfil)

A short visit to Pontypool. Has a nice park but sadly the town looked a bit run down and not well looked after.

To ride the remaining bit of the X3 to Cardiff, I ride another Scania E300, this time 28732 (YN15 KGE). Again, as with 28722 it has the weird moquette cushion in front of the front seat and 2 point seatbelts.

Overall, a great time! And now here I am GWR 802106 going back to Oxford via Swindon & Didcot Parkway

Now, as for the photos (from top to bottom if using mobile phone)

1-5) Pontypool
6-7) What I mean by Stagecoach's weird moquette cushion in front of the front seats
8) Hereford's Black & White House
9) GWR's first class on the Class 800/802s
Thank you for that report from the Marches. It's been a very long time since I did the X3 to Hereford - must do it again.

However, I did have a trip to Pontypool about 4 years ago; the plan was to head over the top to Brynmawr but a late running X24 put paid to that. I think it's a pleasant town but certainly, it needs some TLC. Seem to recall there was some wonderful but decaying art deco store (old Coop department store) in the centre.

Also been a while since I visited Hereford (in the car just before Covid) let alone by bus (2007!!). In the days before coach seated vehicles and the X3, I did it the predecessor (20) from Pontypool to Hereford) on a Marshall bodied Dart SLF - now that's harsh! Not seen those headbutt cushions before but guess it makes some sense in case of an emergency stop! Glad you had a good day out - I love South Wales!


Ammanford? Don't you mean Abergavenny?

Ammanford is miles away, near Swansea!
As you see, never underestimate @RELL6L
 

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Thank you for that report from the Marches. It's been a very long time since I did the X3 to Hereford - must do it again.

However, I did have a trip to Pontypool about 4 years ago; the plan was to head over the top to Brynmawr but a late running X24 put paid to that. I think it's a pleasant town but certainly, it needs some TLC. Seem to recall there was some wonderful but decaying art deco store (old Coop department store) in the centre.

Also been a while since I visited Hereford (in the car just before Covid) let alone by bus (2007!!). In the days before coach seated vehicles and the X3, I did it the predecessor (20) from Pontypool to Hereford) on a Marshall bodied Dart SLF - now that's harsh! Not seen those headbutt cushions before but guess it makes some sense in case of an emergency stop! Glad you had a good day out - I love South Wales!



As you see, never underestimate @RELL6L

Ha! It was a long day, starting in the dark and finishing not long before sunset too. I had previously done Carmarthen to Builth Wells and liked the look of Llanrwtyd Wells, the bus from Builth to Llanrwtyd goes via rural lanes (returning on the main road) so was keen to do it that way round.

The following day I explored parts of the Gower peninsula, including Port Eynon, also very scenic. A lovely area!
 

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Ha! It was a long day, starting in the dark and finishing not long before sunset too. I had previously done Carmarthen to Builth Wells and liked the look of Llanrwtyd Wells, the bus from Builth to Llanrwtyd goes via rural lanes (returning on the main road) so was keen to do it that way round.

The following day I explored parts of the Gower peninsula, including Port Eynon, also very scenic. A lovely area!
Yep - the Gower is lovely though only done it once by bus

I would certainly recommend South Wales as a place to explore to forum members; the only tricky thing is I noticed that on a Sat afternoon, frequencies and last journeys seem to decline rapidly :s Other than that, the area is great. After neglecting it for a bit, I've had a few trips round there in recent years (think I had three last year) and whilst some of the towns are really challenged, the people are fantastic and the countryside delightful.
 

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Indeed!
First bus at 6am from Ammanford to Swansea station
Train to Abergavenny
X3 to Hereford
461, pausing an hour in Weobley, then on to Kington and Llandrindod Wells.
Builth Wells
Llanrwtyd Wells
Train to Llandeilo
Ammanford

Ahh you live in Ammanford, makes sense now.

Not as mad as me who came all the way from Oxford though!

P.S. I'm doing the 461 soon, alongside X47 to Aberystwyth and T1 to Carmarthen
 

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Ahh you live in Ammanford, makes sense now.

Not as mad as me who came all the way from Oxford though!

P.S. I'm doing the 461 soon, alongside X47 to Aberystwyth and T1 to Carmarthen

No, not at all, I live in the Thames Valley. I drove down the night before, stayed at Cross Hands and did the two trips before driving home again. Ammanford just worked best for the long trip from the timings of the infrequent routes and the Heart of Wales line train. I am always happy to drive to wherever is best for the trips.

That’s a great itinerary. The 461 is a fantastic route. Weobley is lovely as is Kington, the scenery on the last section to Llandrindod really good and Llandrindod is charming. The X47 is also extremely scenic and I adore Aberystwyth. Take your time and enjoy!
 

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Not posted in a while but a few of my recent travels have included:

Flixbus 070 from Leeds to Bristol
843 from York to Leeds
West Coast Motors 978 from Oban to Edinburgh
Citylink 902 from Glasgow to Livingston
3C from Strathaven to Glasgow
 

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A bit different to the usual reports, but I've started an audio/podcast version of my Slower Travel blog.

The first four episodes tell the story of the trip my wife and I made over a couple of days from Edinburgh to Whitby. The first one - the 253 from Edinburgh to Berwick - languished on my hard drive for three years before I stumbled across it again a few weeks back and finally decided to do something with it. The latest episode is of the 350 from Oldham to Ashton-under-Lyne, and there'll be a bonus, non-bus story going up at some point over Easter.

It's more about travelling around rather than the buses themselves, but I hope you enjoy it.

 
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In relation to my Welsh Marches trip I did on the 31st of March and the X3 Hereford to Cardiff route, I created this thread that might be of interest to you:

Time for another trip btw, this time a local one from Sussex as I'm back home for the Easter holidays

11/04/2023 - Rye & Tenterden

After two train rides on Southern's good ol' 377 Electrostars (377139 Horsham to Gatwick Airport then 377418 Gatwick Airport to Hastings) here I am in the coastal town of Hastings in East Sussex. I've been here a lot of times before - it's a nice place but as with Pontypool in South Wales, sadly also full of buildings which have seen better days.

My first bus of the day is Stagecoach South East Scania N250UD ADL Enviro400 MMC 15286 (YN16 WWC) on the Wave 100. First I went up to Conquest Hospital then to Rye as I fancied doing the full route. It's a nice route, amazing in parts too (the best section imo is between Hastings and Winchelsea - the others bit are quite good but not as good as Hastings-Winchelsea).

Then an hour visit to Rye, a beautiful town. It has a great castle too! 100% recommended!

Next up, ADL Enviro200 36486 (GN12 CKK, yes also Stagecoach) on the 312 to Tenterden, a quite nice but infrequent route. Seeing that Rye is a bit poorly connected, I do wonder if the 312 could become part of an extended Arriva 12 from Maidstone (12 is Maidstone to Tenterden btw), giving more connections to Rye.

30 minute connection time in Tenterden. Also nice, but doesn't have much to do or see unlike Rye (just a church, a high street and one tiny back street).

36486 again, this time on the 29 to Hastings. For those of you who don't know, the 29 used to be the 2 which continued further to Ashford. However, since October 2022 (?), the 2 got curtailed to running between Ashford & Tenterden only, with Tenterden to Hastings now being the 29 (and mostly E200s, the old 2 used to be mostly double deckers). Anyways for the 29: it's also a great route with some great scenic spots, and I would say that if I'm honest, Northiam to Tenterden has the best scenery.

And then, back home on even more Southern Electrostars: 377420 Hastings to Gatwick Airport then 377110 Gatwick Airport to Horsham (377110 is one of the, if not the first of the 377/1s to be refurbed with USB charging+plug sockets).

Now, for my photography

1) a 377 with graffiti
2-6) Rye
7-9) Tenterden

P.s. don't mind some train haulages, although I mostly report my bus rides I also report my train rides as I do afterall need to get the train to be able to ride buses outside of my local area...
 

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In relation to my Welsh Marches trip I did on the 31st of March and the X3 Hereford to Cardiff route, I created this thread that might be of interest to you:

Time for another trip btw, this time a local one from Sussex as I'm back home for the Easter holidays

11/04/2023 - Rye & Tenterden

After two train rides on Southern's good ol' 377 Electrostars (377139 Horsham to Gatwick Airport then 377418 Gatwick Airport to Hastings) here I am in the coastal town of Hastings in East Sussex. I've been here a lot of times before - it's a nice place but as with Pontypool in South Wales, sadly also full of buildings which have seen better days.

My first bus of the day is Stagecoach South East Scania N250UD ADL Enviro400 MMC 15286 (YN16 WWC) on the Wave 100. First I went up to Conquest Hospital then to Rye as I fancied doing the full route. It's a nice route, amazing in parts too (the best section imo is between Hastings and Winchelsea - the others bit are quite good but not as good as Hastings-Winchelsea).

Then an hour visit to Rye, a beautiful town. It has a great castle too! 100% recommended!

Next up, ADL Enviro200 36486 (GN12 CKK, yes also Stagecoach) on the 312 to Tenterden, a quite nice but infrequent route. Seeing that Rye is a bit poorly connected, I do wonder if the 312 could become part of an extended Arriva 12 from Maidstone (12 is Maidstone to Tenterden btw), giving more connections to Rye.

30 minute connection time in Tenterden. Also nice, but doesn't have much to do or see unlike Rye (just a church, a high street and one tiny back street).

36486 again, this time on the 29 to Hastings. For those of you who don't know, the 29 used to be the 2 which continued further to Ashford. However, since October 2022 (?), the 2 got curtailed to running between Ashford & Tenterden only, with Tenterden to Hastings now being the 29 (and mostly E200s, the old 2 used to be mostly double deckers). Anyways for the 29: it's also a great route with some great scenic spots, and I would say that if I'm honest, Northiam to Tenterden has the best scenery.

And then, back home on even more Southern Electrostars: 377420 Hastings to Gatwick Airport then 377110 Gatwick Airport to Horsham (377110 is one of the, if not the first of the 377/1s to be refurbed with USB charging+plug sockets).

Now, for my photography

1) a 377 with graffiti
2-6) Rye
7-9) Tenterden

P.s. don't mind some train haulages, although I mostly report my bus rides I also report my train rides as I do afterall need to get the train to be able to ride buses outside of my local area...
Thanks for the trip report. There's nothing wrong with the occasional train on a bus report....Sometimes it is necessary and can be quite fun!

That part of Kent (and Sussex) is absolutely lovely. I was down in Hastings and Rye in autumn 2020 with the good lady though I've been a few times in the past. Rye is a total delight with the backstreets and the views across to the old port. Very definitely recommended. As for Hastings... I think me and @RELL6L have discussed it before. There is the old town that has some very lovely parts. However, and it is just my opinion, I'm not a fan. The town centre seems at a low ebb, and it seems to have been one of those places where there's a preponderance of bedsits and the like in areas such as Silverhill and Ore. Certainly worth a visit but not the best.

As for Tenterden, that's another gorgeous little town, full of history. I passed through there in summer 2021 on a trip, from Ashford and then headed for Maidstone. However, I think that your wish for Arriva to extend to Rye is rather unlikely. Arriva has retreated to its Maidstone and Medway powerbase and pulled back from anything too far; think they haven't reached the south coast since they closed Hawkhurst depot in 2006. I quite like Tenterden (more than you evidently) and it has some beautiful buildings. I notice that you unwittingly snapped a building with some transport heritage. The end part of the black and white, half-timbered building is now a tearoom, but it was the travel office of Arriva's predecessor, Maidstone and District. In fact, M&D's depot was behind it (where the Waitrose now sits), I believe, and consisted of a small depot with a massive yard where redundant vehicles were dumped before disposal.
 

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Time for another trip btw, this time a local one from Sussex as I'm back home for the Easter holidays

11/04/2023 - Rye & Tenterden

After two train rides on Southern's good ol' 377 Electrostars (377139 Horsham to Gatwick Airport then 377418 Gatwick Airport to Hastings) here I am in the coastal town of Hastings in East Sussex. I've been here a lot of times before - it's a nice place but as with Pontypool in South Wales, sadly also full of buildings which have seen better days.

My first bus of the day is Stagecoach South East Scania N250UD ADL Enviro400 MMC 15286 (YN16 WWC) on the Wave 100. First I went up to Conquest Hospital then to Rye as I fancied doing the full route. It's a nice route, amazing in parts too (the best section imo is between Hastings and Winchelsea - the others bit are quite good but not as good as Hastings-Winchelsea).

Then an hour visit to Rye, a beautiful town. It has a great castle too! 100% recommended!

Next up, ADL Enviro200 36486 (GN12 CKK, yes also Stagecoach) on the 312 to Tenterden, a quite nice but infrequent route. Seeing that Rye is a bit poorly connected, I do wonder if the 312 could become part of an extended Arriva 12 from Maidstone (12 is Maidstone to Tenterden btw), giving more connections to Rye.

30 minute connection time in Tenterden. Also nice, but doesn't have much to do or see unlike Rye (just a church, a high street and one tiny back street).

36486 again, this time on the 29 to Hastings. For those of you who don't know, the 29 used to be the 2 which continued further to Ashford. However, since October 2022 (?), the 2 got curtailed to running between Ashford & Tenterden only, with Tenterden to Hastings now being the 29 (and mostly E200s, the old 2 used to be mostly double deckers). Anyways for the 29: it's also a great route with some great scenic spots, and I would say that if I'm honest, Northiam to Tenterden has the best scenery.

And then, back home on even more Southern Electrostars: 377420 Hastings to Gatwick Airport then 377110 Gatwick Airport to Horsham (377110 is one of the, if not the first of the 377/1s to be refurbed with USB charging+plug sockets).

Now, for my photography

1) a 377 with graffiti
2-6) Rye
7-9) Tenterden

P.s. don't mind some train haulages, although I mostly report my bus rides I also report my train rides as I do afterall need to get the train to be able to ride buses outside of my local area...
Yes, good report, please keep posting. Rye is an absolutely glorious little town, well worth a visit, the streets are lovely, well preserved and nothing tacky allowed. The house facing you on picture 5 is National Trust owned and also worth a visit, the castle and views from the top are great. Worth stopping off at Winchelsea sometime too, that's a lovely village laid out in a grid pattern. I agree with @TheGrandWazoo on Tenterden, that's a really attractive town too. I think there's more than you saw.

I think that long ago the 12 used to continue to Hastings. The 312 is good across the marshland, I also recommend the 11 group from Ashford to Lydd sometime and of course the 100 further east from Rye. I continue to disagree with @TheGrandWazoo about Hastings, I was there in early March, fine that we agree to differ! I can't see the 312 being more than a local route, remember Rye has a train service.

With reference to your earlier post #614 I had three years in Oxford in the 70s and did some trips too. Often with £2.00 Wanderbus tickets valid on lots of operators, frequently returning from Birmingham on the X50 which departed Birmingham Bus Station at 21.20 I think, almost always a VR. Sometimes further afield and I made it to Liverpool a couple of times, returning on the overnight coach which took a break at Pear Tree services and walking back from there. I think my longest took the train to Swansea, then bus to Carmarthen - it was before the Carmarthen bypass and the traffic was terrible - I had to walk the last mile down into the town to avoid missing my next bus - to Lampeter, Aberystwyth, Dolgellau and then to Wrexham. At Swansea I had booked a ticket on the same overnight coach from Wrexham to Oxford - it didn't always go via Wrexham if there were no passengers booked - must have had 3-4 hours to kill in Wrexham before it came - usually a Crosville RELH6L, at that time you could hear it coming long before seeing it and what a lovely sound it was!
 

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Yes, good report, please keep posting. Rye is an absolutely glorious little town, well worth a visit, the streets are lovely, well preserved and nothing tacky allowed. The house facing you on picture 5 is National Trust owned and also worth a visit, the castle and views from the top are great. Worth stopping off at Winchelsea sometime too, that's a lovely village laid out in a grid pattern. I agree with @TheGrandWazoo on Tenterden, that's a really attractive town too. I think there's more than you saw.

I think that long ago the 12 used to continue to Hastings. The 312 is good across the marshland, I also recommend the 11 group from Ashford to Lydd sometime and of course the 100 further east from Rye. I continue to disagree with @TheGrandWazoo about Hastings, I was there in early March, fine that we agree to differ! I can't see the 312 being more than a local route, remember Rye has a train service.

With reference to your earlier post #614 I had three years in Oxford in the 70s and did some trips too. Often with £2.00 Wanderbus tickets valid on lots of operators, frequently returning from Birmingham on the X50 which departed Birmingham Bus Station at 21.20 I think, almost always a VR. Sometimes further afield and I made it to Liverpool a couple of times, returning on the overnight coach which took a break at Pear Tree services and walking back from there. I think my longest took the train to Swansea, then bus to Carmarthen - it was before the Carmarthen bypass and the traffic was terrible - I had to walk the last mile down into the town to avoid missing my next bus - to Lampeter, Aberystwyth, Dolgellau and then to Wrexham. At Swansea I had booked a ticket on the same overnight coach from Wrexham to Oxford - it didn't always go via Wrexham if there were no passengers booked - must have had 3-4 hours to kill in Wrexham before it came - usually a Crosville RELH6L, at that time you could hear it coming long before seeing it and what a lovely sound it was!
Of course you're wrong about Hastings :D Seriously, it is subjective and I do appreciate that it's not as if there is nothing to like in Hastings; the funicular, the pier, the old town are all pleasant enough. I'm just not as keen on it as you ;)

You're right that the 12 did used to run from Maidstone to Hastings. However, I think it's been some years since it did that bit; certainly pre Arriva and might even be 1980s?

Following your tangent, Oxford is one of those places that I've been to a few times (and bypassed many more on the A34) and yet not that many times by bus where I've had time to explore. Oddly, the last few occasions were one way trips where a car did the reverse leg!

8 Blisworth - S5 Bicester - 66 Oxford - 49 Swindon - 49 Devizes - Trowbridge
50 Shipston on Stour - S3 Chipping Norton - 66 Oxford - 31 Swindon - 41 Malmesbury - 581 Yate - Kingswood
49 Trowbridge - 66 Swindon - S3 Oxford - 488 Chipping Norton - 200 Banbury - D4 Daventry - 96 Long Buckby - X7 Northampton - 33 Market Harborough - Great Bowden

Still, hope @SouthEastBuses exams and coursework go well and look forward to hearing about his travels in the future
 

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Still, hope @SouthEastBuses exams and coursework go well and look forward to hearing about his travels in the future

No exams (thankfully) in my course, just coursework.

Next up, a trip riding more Buses of Somerset routes. My plans are to do the 21, 30 (plus WoE 20). Should also I do the 99 from Chard to Taunton not via Ilminster?
 

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No exams (thankfully) in my course, just coursework.

Next up, a trip riding more Buses of Somerset routes. My plans are to do the 21, 30 (plus WoE 20). Should also I do the 99 from Chard to Taunton not via Ilminster?
Oh, that's much better with just coursework :D

Whether you do the 30 or 99 depends on where you're heading?

If you're doing a loop to Chard, then I'd go out on the 30 and back on the 99 as you get good views from the Blackdown Hills towards Taunton. If you're simply heading to Chard en route to Axminster, I'd just say get the 30. The 30 is a nice run in any case. 30 tends to be e400s, 99 usually a Streetlite.

Bridgwater is an OK town. The 21 isn't the most exciting route, if I'm honest. Used to be quite fun on a B7L (and noisy) but if your aim is to get to Weston, it's a necessary run to do - usually an e400 these days. The 20 is actually quite a pleasant run out past the holiday camps in Brean and then around some quite rural spots. Obviously, with the holiday camps, it is highly seasonal. It was getting B9s but would suspect that with this weekend's reallocations (where Weston has lost most of its Volvos), it will be some of the older Streetdecks in the main.
 

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Oh, that's much better with just coursework :D

Whether you do the 30 or 99 depends on where you're heading?

If you're doing a loop to Chard, then I'd go out on the 30 and back on the 99 as you get good views from the Blackdown Hills towards Taunton. If you're simply heading to Chard en route to Axminster, I'd just say get the 30. The 30 is a nice run in any case. 30 tends to be e400s, 99 usually a Streetlite.

Bridgwater is an OK town. The 21 isn't the most exciting route, if I'm honest. Used to be quite fun on a B7L (and noisy) but if your aim is to get to Weston, it's a necessary run to do - usually an e400 these days. The 20 is actually quite a pleasant run out past the holiday camps in Brean and then around some quite rural spots. Obviously, with the holiday camps, it is highly seasonal. It was getting B9s but would suspect that with this weekend's reallocations (where Weston has lost most of its Volvos), it will be some of the older Streetdecks in the main.

My plan is train to Taunton, an hour visit or two to Taunton (yes I've been to Taunton before but I haven't had the chance to see the castle yet), then the 30 to Axminster, 30 to Chard, 99 to Taunton, 21 to Burnham-on-Sea, 20 to Weston super Mare, then train back to Swindon (and S6 bus to Oxford - due to Nuneham Bridge issues, trains aren't running between Didcot Parkway and Oxford).

So Weston super Mare will be getting SO15/SK65 Streetdecks from Hengrove then? What buses are replacing the SK65s in Hengrove, is it the old P&R E400 MMCs 33930-33942?
 

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My plan is train to Taunton, an hour visit or two to Taunton (yes I've been to Taunton before but I haven't had the chance to see the castle yet), then the 30 to Axminster, 30 to Chard, 99 to Taunton, 21 to Burnham-on-Sea, 20 to Weston super Mare, then train back to Swindon (and S6 bus to Oxford - due to Nuneham Bridge issues, trains aren't running between Didcot Parkway and Oxford).

So Weston super Mare will be getting SO15/SK65 Streetdecks from Hengrove then? What buses are replacing the SK65s in Hengrove, is it the old P&R E400 MMCs 33930-33942?

The oldest native Streetdecks are staying at Hengrove; Weston has gained the ex-Mendip 65 plates and the ex-Sheffield/Bath ones, and it's those that are most likely on the 20.

The ex-Bristol P&R have gone to Bath (for their P&Rs) whilst the e400s that were so utilised have gone to either Bath city routes (to displace B9s to Hengrove) or Wells.
 

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The oldest native Streetdecks are staying at Hengrove; Weston has gained the ex-Mendip 65 plates and the ex-Sheffield/Bath ones, and it's those that are most likely on the 20.

The ex-Bristol P&R have gone to Bath (for their P&Rs) whilst the e400s that were so utilised have gone to either Bath city routes (to displace B9s to Hengrove) or Wells.

Ahh makes all sense then.

Whilst I haven't been out and about recently apart from that East Sussex & Kent trip, I have another trip from the beginning of April I would like to report.

02/04/2023 - back home from Oxford to Horsham for the Easter Holidays via a different way
Journey starts on my local Oxford Bus Company route (400) onboard Wrightbus StreetDeck 375 (OX68 ENG). One of the better Streetdecks from the batch, not keen on Streetdecks myself but at least this one wasn't bad. Route is nothing special apart from Brookes University (Headington Campus) to St Clements.

Then a rail replacement coach journey (I think it was a Yutong of some sort, can't remember) from Oxford to Didcot Parkway, where I then board a CrossCountry Voyager Class 220/221 (again I can't remember) on the rather scenic GWML (Great Western Main Line) to Reading.

An hour visit to Reading, a rather nice town, lovely in some bits too - very much recommend the Abbey Quarter near the train station.

Next up, Reading Buses ADL Enviro400 216 (SN11 BVX), route Lion 4 to Bracknell. A once hybrid E400 now converted to diesel, I don't understand why they bothered wasting the money on converting the bus into diesel, clearly hybrids have less emissions don't they? Although I do like the sound, as it sounds very similar to the Euro 4 Trident Enviro400! Route is decent, doesn't have the most exciting scenery but I do like how fast it is, making the route fun in bits. It's rather interesting how, once you get to Bracknell, it runs as some sort of Bracknell town service, as it diverts via a rather long way to serve the Great Hollands estate.

A short visit to Bracknell. For a new town it's actually not bad and I quite like it (just like Woking) - definitely lots of regeneration and making the place look nice and modern!

After that, I get on a former Jet Black 1 (now Greenline branded) Enviro400 (with seatbelts - something a bit unusual but hey!) 1203 (SN11 BWC) on Greenline 703 to Windsor. The route is quite nice, and on the Legoland Windsor double run after serving the main entrance bus stop (where the 702 normally starts/ends) you get an amazing scenic spot with the ability to even see Central London's skyscrapers and high rise buildings if you're lucky!

Spent an hour visiting Windsor, a beautiful place. Absolutely worth it. I also have plans to come back and explore the castle too!

After my great time to Windsor, it's time to jump on the Greenline 702 to take me to London, where I would then get the Southern service to go back to Horsham*. Former Emerald 5 (now Greenline 702 branded) ADL Enviro400 MMC 761 (YY15 OYC) is doing me the honours. Bus seats, despite being high backed, were surprisingly fairly uncomfortable, and the USB charging ports were not working at all. A good thing about this bus is that in addition to having next stop announcements, it also has exterior audio visual announcements saying the route number and the destination (it said Greenline 702 Central London). I think this is excellent and all UK buses should have it, because just how next stop announcements help blind people, exterior route number and destination announcements will have the same advantage. New buses in both Rome and Naples (Italy) have such feature too. The Greenline 702 was definitely fun. Starting in lovely Windsor, the route then serves Slough (not the most exciting town), and then after Slough, fast on the M4 to London. Part of the M4 is quite fun imo - you get to see a great skyline of Central London! I am even old enough to remember the 702 once being run by First Berkshire & the Thames Valley at one point, using Volvo B9TL Wright Eclipse Gemini 2s with air con (essentially a TfL spec B9TL G2 but single door and with high backed coach style leather seats). Sadly I didn't get to ride the 702 when it was First - however I did manage to ride one of the B9TLs in question last year (37997 BF63 HDV) at First Dorset on route Jurassic Coaster X54 from Poole to Weymouth.

*In reality, as far as Three Bridges (onboard the usual 377 Electrostar, but forgot the number). Rail replacement to Horsham meant I ended up riding another bus, and that being Stagecoach South ADL Enviro400 19887 (GX11 AKP) to get back to Horsham. This one differs from the other E400s I rode in being Voith rather than ZF (typical of Stagecoach unless they're Scania). Interestingly, I was originally supposed to be riding ex Brighton & Hove Scania OmniLink 51 (YN58 BCE), however, the OmniLink was for the all stations service (Crawley, Ifield, Littlehaven and Horsham), with the E400 being for the fast service (Crawley then Horsham).

Photos coming soon. I have some videos from that trip on my YouTube channel (feel to watch my videos and subscribe to my channel here at https://www.youtube.com/@gabrielstravels-discoverin7368). The videos are here:

Reading Buses Lion 4 (Reading - Bracknell):

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Reading Buses Greenline 702 (Legoland Windsor - London Victoria):

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1) Reading's fantastic train station (one of my favourite stations outside London)
2-7) Reading Town Centre of which
2-3) near the Abbey Quarter
4-5) Abbey Quarter
6) Market Place Square & St Lawrence Church
7) Queen Victoria Street
8-9) Bracknell



10) The scenic spot after Legoland Windsor Main Entrance bus stop when heading back to the main route)
11-18) Windsor Town Centre of which
11) Windsor Parish Church with a Greenline 703 Enviro400 in the background
12) Thames Street
13) Windsor Castle
14) Thames River bridge
15) Eton High Street
16) A view of Windsor Castle from Eton
17) Peascod Street
18) A more close up view of Windsor Castle on Thames Steet

19-22) Bus pictures from the day.
 

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Parebunks

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Temporary bout of enthusiasm/insanity yesterday saw me take a trip from Oxford to Bristol and back on service buses, detail below:
7:05 S2 to Cheltenham SN69 ZFM
9:30 66 to Stroud SN69 ZGO
11:05 69 to Old Sodbury YX63 ZTG (turning into 12:15 620 to Yate)
12:30 Y1 to Bristol YN20 CCD
15:06 X39 to Bath YT67 XKD
16:10 X31 to Chippenham RRU 345
17:50 55 to Swindon YN64 XSL
19:05 S6 to Oxford SN18 KUW
No pictures as my phone camera is broken, but these were, by and large, very nice routes and buses - particularly the longer-distance Stagecoach routes worked by deckers - the early morning S2 being a particular favourite of mine. Least favourite was probably the X31, though it might have been nicer on a newer bus - spent most of its time trundling round housing estates, didn't seem to merit the 'X' prefix. All very punctual for such a long journey though, and I didn't miss any planned connections.
 

SouthEastBuses

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Temporary bout of enthusiasm/insanity yesterday saw me take a trip from Oxford to Bristol and back on service buses, detail below:
7:05 S2 to Cheltenham SN69 ZFM
9:30 66 to Stroud SN69 ZGO
11:05 69 to Old Sodbury YX63 ZTG (turning into 12:15 620 to Yate)
12:30 Y1 to Bristol YN20 CCD
15:06 X39 to Bath YT67 XKD
16:10 X31 to Chippenham RRU 345
17:50 55 to Swindon YN64 XSL
19:05 S6 to Oxford SN18 KUW
No pictures as my phone camera is broken, but these were, by and large, very nice routes and buses - particularly the longer-distance Stagecoach routes worked by deckers - the early morning S2 being a particular favourite of mine. Least favourite was probably the X31, though it might have been nicer on a newer bus - spent most of its time trundling round housing estates, didn't seem to merit the 'X' prefix. All very punctual for such a long journey though, and I didn't miss any planned connections.

Definetly agree that these are all lovely routes. Next time I recommend the full 620 route to Bath - it has some great scenery!
 

TheGrandWazoo

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Thank you to @SouthEastBuses and @Parebunks for their trip reports.

"Royal Berkshire" is one of those places that I've never really explored by bus though I've been in the car to Windsor (not Legoland!) several times. However, whilst Reading is one of those paragons of bus operation, I've never really cared for the place except for when my mate lived there and we had trips to the Purple Turtle! As for Slough, it's pretty awful and Bracknell never really whetted my appetite - mind you, I don't like Woking either so we probably have different tastes. Even somewhere like Maidenhead is dreadful - utterly soulless. It's like a theme park based on 1980s Thatcherite politics.

As for the question on repowering the e400Hs to standard diesel... The problem is that the batteries reflected the technology of the time. They were knackered after about 6 years so even a replacement wouldn't have sufficed for a full operating life. Hence, it is cheaper to repower. Also, the hybrid element is about moving the vehicle from a stationery position before the diesel engine kicks in. However, and apologies as I'm wrong as I don't have the technical knowledge or facts to substantiate this, but have been told a Euro VI engine is overall better on emissions than one of those e400Hs.

Lovely photos by the way, and well done on snapping one of those 7900Hs; they too are on borrowed time.!

As for @Parebunks trip, you're much more on my manor (nowadays) and that is exactly the sort of trip I would do. Some ridiculous circular odyssey (not that Odysseus was doing a circular trip but you get my drift) through the countryside. I've not done the S2 yet (though I did do the 853 when it was Swanbrook a few years ago) and that's a superb trip across the Cotswolds. The run from Cheltenham to Stroud is an absolute belter though conversely, that was a service that was usually operated by deckers (as the 46) and I enjoyed a Trident a few years back on that. The 69/620 is another cracker of a service and I might have been minded to stay on past Yate and enjoy the scenery up and over Lansdowne and into Bath, or even a trip to Malmesbury and then across to Swindon that way. However, I can understand the attraction of the trip to Bristol though I bet the two First vehicles were a lot creakier than your Stagecoach Gold e400mmcs, and the Y1 is a pretty dull service.

The reason the X31 has an X prefix is, I think, because it used to head via the Batheaston bypass. However, when First pulled off the route, it now serves the village. It might also have followed a different route in Chippenham but I can't recall now; however, as Faresaver now have to use deckers (rather than minibuses) then they have to follow a convoluted route in Chippenham from London Road in order to avoid the low bridge. TBH, anyone who wants to get from Chippenham to Bath quickly would use the train anyway. Glad you had a good day out.
 

RELL6L

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Echoing the thanks to @SouthEastBuses and @Parebunks for the trip reports.

Some great pictures of Reading, Windsor etc. I used to work in Reading and also we took our kids to Legoland quite often - a few years ago now! Windsor is a lovely place in the sunshine. I have done all these routes but not recently - Reading to Bracknell was in Alder Valley days, the service ran on to Windsor then. I also remember the Green Line 702 - the original one from Gravesend to Sunningdale, run by RFs, it was one of the first to be withdrawn as numbers fell and cars/trains took over.

The Oxford trip is exactly the sort of trip I would do too, indeed I have done all of these sections reasonably recently. Stroud to Yate is good as is the onward section to Bath. I have always liked Bristol and Bath, well worth visiting. What I haven't done is the S2 to Cheltenham on a double decker, it was the Swanbrook 853 when I last did it - I need to work out how to try this. Stroud to Cheltenham is great and I have managed to stop off in Painswick which is lovely. The routes in that area around Dursley and Wootton under Edge are good too.

Keep up the trips and reports!
 

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As for @Parebunks trip, you're much more on my manor (nowadays) and that is exactly the sort of trip I would do. Some ridiculous circular odyssey (not that Odysseus was doing a circular trip but you get my drift) through the countryside. I've not done the S2 yet (though I did do the 853 when it was Swanbrook a few years ago) and that's a superb trip across the Cotswolds. The run from Cheltenham to Stroud is an absolute belter though conversely, that was a service that was usually operated by deckers (as the 46) and I enjoyed a Trident a few years back on that. The 69/620 is another cracker of a service and I might have been minded to stay on past Yate and enjoy the scenery up and over Lansdowne and into Bath, or even a trip to Malmesbury and then across to Swindon that way. However, I can understand the attraction of the trip to Bristol though I bet the two First vehicles were a lot creakier than your Stagecoach Gold e400mmcs, and the Y1 is a pretty dull service.

The reason the X31 has an X prefix is, I think, because it used to head via the Batheaston bypass. However, when First pulled off the route, it now serves the village. It might also have followed a different route in Chippenham but I can't recall now; however, as Faresaver now have to use deckers (rather than minibuses) then they have to follow a convoluted route in Chippenham from London Road in order to avoid the low bridge. TBH, anyone who wants to get from Chippenham to Bath quickly would use the train anyway. Glad you had a good day out.
The Oxford trip is exactly the sort of trip I would do too, indeed I have done all of these sections reasonably recently. Stroud to Yate is good as is the onward section to Bath. I have always liked Bristol and Bath, well worth visiting. What I haven't done is the S2 to Cheltenham on a double decker, it was the Swanbrook 853 when I last did it - I need to work out how to try this. Stroud to Cheltenham is great and I have managed to stop off in Painswick which is lovely. The routes in that area around Dursley and Wootton under Edge are good too.
Right, key takeaway seems to be that I should have finished the 620 - getting to Bristol was the point of this trip, but will try and get back sometime in the summer! The Y1 was fairly dull, but mercifully quick, and I didn't have any real problems with the bus. The later part of Cheltenham-Stroud is indeed great, but it was rerouted a couple of months ago via some unpleasant housing estates outside Gloucester. The S2 is amazing with deckers, and some journies are now actually fairly busy - almost full the last time I got the evening short to Witney back from Cheltenham.
 

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