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Trips by Bus and Coach: Your reports

Blindtraveler

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That sounded like a really great little day and really good to see the local Council getting on board with it. Not only allowing access to the park and ride but making the toilet block available, which obviously comes at a cost to them, albeit probably a small one, but still absolutely great to see such a well-organized sounding preservation running day
 
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That sounded like a really great little day and really good to see the local Council getting on board with it. Not only allowing access to the park and ride but making the toilet block available, which obviously comes at a cost to them, albeit probably a small one, but still absolutely great to see such a well-organized sounding preservation running day
Thank you, yes, you are absolutely right. This event has now been going for 40 years, starting off very small, and has clearly found it's place in Winchester's calendar. One senses that the Council realises it is bringing business into Winchester, and the locals love it, so one hopes it continues for many years to come.
 

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Thanks to @Bedford OB for his trip report. I confess that I'm not one for bus rallies etc though I've been to Showbus at Duxford a couple of times. I did Warminster running day in c.2006 and that was quite interesting as you explored various corners of the area.

I was brought up on Bristol REs and have a soft spot for them but I also don't mind a National - very much part of the soundtrack of my childhood. The one thing is that preserved REs are in much better shape than they were in "real life". I bet the ride is quieter without the driver cab bulkhead window not rattling like a machine gun, or having folded up tickets to jam the rattling slider windows. Oh, and the noise of the ticket machine stand creaking under the weight of the Setright motor drive :D My early Explorer trips were dominated by Olympians, VRs and Nationals and I fondly recall the breakneck runs across Co Durham, 510 engine roaring away, so I'd quite like a trip on one of those.

Look forward to hearing about your East Lancashire adventure - thanks again.
 

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I’ve not been so active in travelling this year for various reasons – not least the poor weather – and I’ve not made the best of the good weather this week but I did get out for a trip yesterday. This was not the most ambitious but was an opportunity to see some places closer to home and some old and new routes.

I started at Princes Risborough, parking as an ancient V-plate B7TL of Red Line wheezed up the hill to the local school. This vehicle is crossed out on BusTimes but is operating and even ran on the 130 later in the day. I spent a few minutes walking round the town, it’s a typical middle class home counties town, not bad with a few quieter back streets but nothing special. What is unusual here is genuinely competitive commercial bus routes between High Wycombe and Aylesbury. Arriva run the X9, running every 20 minutes although with big gaps in each peak and about to be reduced to every 30 minutes, mainly running via the long-standing route through Naphill but also with a few peak X90 journeys via Saunderton. Meanwhile Redline run the 130, all via Saunderton, every 15 minutes during the day and around every 20 minutes in the peaks, avoiding big gaps in service. Between Aylesbury and Prices Risborough and also for through journeys to High Wycombe the routes compete head-to-head. What is clear is that there is plenty of traffic and with the £2 fare most passengers appear to take whatever comes first. Arriva, being Arriva, also had missing journeys and there was a one hour gap when I arrived so I opted for the first Redline journey that turned up – they seemed to be running to time although most journeys oddly track as S130. I had hoped for one of the new Volvo B8RLE but instead got an E200. This was on time, well presented and clean and had a decent load already on board with passengers coming and going all the way, some alighting at Stoke Mandeville hospital, several college students alighting at Aylesbury station and also several shoppers even though this was before concessionary passes kicked in.

My next leg was with to get the Red Rose 16 to Steeple Claydon. I toyed with the idea of getting the previous journey and spending an hour in Quainton but I didn’t have quite enough time for this if I was go get a coffee and bacon roll so I didn’t – a good decision as it turned out. Instead I wandered around some of the quiet back streets of Aylesbury town centre, some of which is very quiet and quite a contrast with the busy inner ring road. With Arriva’s withdrawal from all the local routes Red Rose is now the main operator locally with a number of buses running around, mainly E200s but also some double deckers on the 9 locally and the 50 out to Wendover. The 16 that I then took was a now fairly rare Scania N94 with East Lancs Esteem body with an RRT registration. I think this was originally 06 registered, possibly with Metrobus although I thought Plymouth also had some of these. It didn’t really seem any bigger than an E200 so I don’t know why they still have three of these, but they still make good Scania noises and just seem more substantial than an E200. We hurried out of Aylesbury with just four on board and then hit a big queue on the A41 before Waddesdon. Four way traffic lights for HS2 works at a crossroads – so annoying. The bus before us was 26 minutes late getting to Waddesdon and then did not go to Quainton, things had improved slightly and we were just 20 minutes late at Waddesdon. A couple alighted and the driver checked the two remaining passengers didn’t want to go to Quainton so we missed that out too, also missing out Calvert and arriving about 10 minutes late in Steeple Claydon. The area around here was covered in massive HS2 and East-West rail works sites, all the working locations seemed vast and with massive compounds and ancillary construction – it does appear to me to be somewhat over-engineered – does it really need to be so expensive?

I don’t find the Buckinghamshire villages around here particularly attractive. Grendon Underwood is a straggly drawn-out village with nothing worth seeing and there is a prison in nearby Edgcott with another apparently approved for construction. Steeple Claydon is more compact but it is a red brick village with few shops and, seemingly, little soul. My next leg was on the Langston and Tasker 18 to Bicester. As I arrived the Buckingham-bound journey was just passing through with about 4 on board and 10 minutes late. Tracking here is a bit hit-and-miss, it was not tracking and the vehicle was not the one shown on BusTimes as setting off in the morning. It was another E200 with L24LNT, another personalised registration, this bus has not tracked since last summer. By the time it returned it was only 5 minutes late but the HS2 works meant several road closures. In the end we went to all the right villages but definitely not in the right order. We did a loop round a large new housing area at Calvert, then Twyford, then Charndon. Next was Marsh Gibbon where the influence of Cotswold stone can be seen in the buildings, finally arriving at Bicester about 10 minutes late.

I didn’t have much time at Bicester, maybe I will return another day, but this is a pretty modern town with a massive amount of recent housing estates and building works continuing. Plus Bicester Village of course, but I have no wish to go there again! My next leg was on a relatively new route, the Stagecoach H5. This hourly service links Bicester with the John Radcliffe Hospital and Headington in Oxford. The S5 links Bicester to Oxford city and I assume H5 is a hospital derivative of that, the same applies to Witney with the H2 to the hospital alongside the S2 fast to Oxford city. I forget when this started but I don’t think it is more than a few years ago that this was introduced, presumably with Oxfordshire funding to build up a new market. Well, I can report it has succeeded, there were about 20 on board at Bicester and I got the last window seat. This was another E200 although I have seen double deckers on the route, indeed there is one today. The start of the journey saw us visit Graven Hill, a new development on former army land on the edge of town, although nobody wanted that stop. Several alighted in Ambrosden, where the H5 is part of a half hourly service to this current army village, but we were still around 10 passengers heading into the Otmoor countryside. This area used to be virtually unserved except for the infrequent Charlton on Otmoor route to Oxford which I recall run by an ex-City of Oxford AEC Renown, with something like one journey a week to Bicester. Now it is hourly. The route goes through Merton, where a skip lorry held us up for about 5 minutes, but does not go through the other villages like Charlton on Otmoor, although there is a stop near the village where a passenger boarded. One alighted and one boarded in Islip, another village which used to have virtually no public transport but now has an hourly bus and a train service. We then went through the old Barton estate and then the new Barton Park estate, a few people alighted here, perhaps having been shopping in Bicester, but most were going to the hospital and a couple, like me, to Headington. We picked up more at the hospital – the H5 does a one way loop via the hospital and then Headington – so the bus would have had double figures heading back across Otmoor as well. This seems like a real success story.

Then from the new and growing to the old and declining. I was going to take the Carousel 275 to High Wycombe, a route about to be reduced further. I could see it was running late so I had time to first take an Arriva X7 to Wheatley. This was an E400, my only double decker of the day. This runs every 30 minutes and is complemented by the X8 which also runs every 30 minutes as far as Thame but missing out Wheatley. Once again there is competition with Redline providing an X20 also every 30 minutes, this is about 15 minutes quicker end-to-end as it doesn’t include Wheatley or Haddenham. As far as Wheatley there is also the Oxford 400 which runs frequently, although this takes longer as it serves the Park and Ride. There were a number of passengers on the X7 and it is difficult to tell who is winning the competition but the fact that Arriva are planning to withdraw the X8 shortly suggests it may not be them. I alighted at Wheatley and spent a few minutes in the village centre before heading off to the 275. The 275 does not go through the centre of Wheatley quite the same way as the X7, taking a slightly quicker route around the centre. I went to the bus stop closest to the village, accessed via a pathway alongside the church. This stop only appears to be served four times a day by the 275 although a couple of journeys on the Redline X20 also go past it and an MCV Evora bodied Volvo B8RLE passed. My 275 was now 20 minutes late and was run by another E200, this time a black one of Oxford Bus heritage, although run from High Wycombe. There has been a debate on the Carousel thread about this route and I was interested to see for myself what the loadings were, this being the journey on which Oxford shoppers would return. There were eight on board at this point and I would assume that all the others boarded in Oxford city or Headington. We continued down the old A40 to near Lewknor and then turned left into Chinnor. One passenger alighted in Tetsworth and three in Chinnor, where we took a very circuitous route around the village finishing in the Kiln estate, built where the cement works used to be. We then continued through the strung-out village of Bledlow Ridge where there are a couple of views of the Chilterns but otherwise it is fairly dull. The driver was very slow and we lost a little more time. The other passengers, four including myself, continued to High Wycombe, so there clearly is a little demand for a through service, although not enough to be commercially justifiable. What these passengers will do when the service only runs to Chinnor remains to be seen. I don’t know if there are any flows from the Bledlow Ridge area into Wycombe, while Chinnor has an hourly bus to Wycombe anyway.

So back to Prices Risborough, again I was open to which service came first. As it happened I just missed a Citaro on the Arriva X9 and this was followed by a 50 minute gap so I wasn’t going to wait for this. A Redline E200 was not far off and there appeared to be a gap in service after this so I took the Redline bus. Again a good load with people alighting and boarding in the section through Saunderton which historically had no service at all, although many passengers were clearly headed to Princes Risborough and beyond. We arrived at the same time as the X9 which had taken a longer route. The evidence here would suggest that Redline are doing better on the High Wycombe to Aylesbury corridor. However if Arriva were to give up there would be a need for the route via Naphill to have at least some service – maybe every 30 minutes via each route would suffice with a little extra in peak hours for the school flows.

A warm day out, mostly sunny and hot in places. Yes I would have liked to be been more adventurous and gone further from home but I had time constraints and maybe I will have another opportunity soon.

I would add some photos but mine refuse to upload...? There must be some rule I am not obeying - I hate IT - update - cracked it. Seems the width of each image needs to be fewer than 5,000 pixels....

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Princes Risborough, a quiet backstreet

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Aylesbury, ditto, just round the corner from the central squares

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Steeple Claydon

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HS2 construction works near Charndon

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Bicester

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Distant view of Charlton on Otmoor

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Wheatley

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View from Bledlow Ridge
 
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Thanks for the report on your home patch @RELL6L though shame the IT has defeated you on the photos.

As we've discussed off line, it's been a very long time since I ventured into that part of the world by bus. A bit odd seeing as I have good friends who live near Marlow (darling) and in Chinnor whilst I've worked in the area a lot. So there's a lot of places you mention that are familiar. However, I'm really not familiar with the area around Aylesbury. I think it's >20 years since I went there! You've carved a route that is really interesting and perhaps helped by local knowledge. Also, really interesting to get your observations on the 275 and the other routes that are being fought over by Red Rose and Arriva - it feels like one firm is in the ascendancy and it isn't Arriva.

Clearly, I need to sort something out and visit the area though might be tricky given my apparent fixation with former mining towns and villages that I appear to have developed. The former spoil heaps and back to back terraces of Princes Risborough don't immediately spring to mind!
 

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Thanks for the report on your home patch @RELL6L though shame the IT has defeated you on the photos.

As we've discussed off line, it's been a very long time since I ventured into that part of the world by bus. A bit odd seeing as I have good friends who live near Marlow (darling) and in Chinnor whilst I've worked in the area a lot. So there's a lot of places you mention that are familiar. However, I'm really not familiar with the area around Aylesbury. I think it's >20 years since I went there! You've carved a route that is really interesting and perhaps helped by local knowledge. Also, really interesting to get your observations on the 275 and the other routes that are being fought over by Red Rose and Arriva - it feels like one firm is in the ascendancy and it isn't Arriva.

Clearly, I need to sort something out and visit the area though might be tricky given my apparent fixation with former mining towns and villages that I appear to have developed. The former spoil heaps and back to back terraces of Princes Risborough don't immediately spring to mind!
Thanks for your response.
I have just managed to fix the IT issue when I realised that the only photos which did upload had a width of fewer than 5,000 pixels. So now they all do, photos added to the original post 814 above.
Yes, not many former mining towns around here, some are formerly less wealthy villages which have been gentrified. And Arriva is very much not in the ascendency, it has a real feel of them having given up.
 

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Last week I had a day off work on what turned out to be a so-far rare for 2024 sunny day. I therefore dragged the girlfriend for a bus ride, under the guise of her getting a nice cliff top walk and a bit of beach out of it. While she has no real interest in buses, I’ve seemingly managed to assist her in genuinely enjoying an open topper, so we headed for a trip to Eastbourne.

The Eastbourne & Beachy Head open top service was dropped as a City Sightseeing franchise operated by Bath Bus Company in the mid-2010s, but the route was taken on by independent Seaford & District (latterly under the name Seven Sisters Bus & Coach after the proprietor sold the service/school bus side of the business along with the Seaford & District name). Under independent operation the service appears to have blossomed and proven a success. In recent years it has had investment to increase capacity with the acquisition of a batch of Ayats Bravo bodied Volvo open toppers, which despite being nearly 20 years old I feel still look sleek and modern and belied their age in performance too. The Eastbourne Sightseeing service was recently acquired by Go-Ahead owned Brighton & Hove so that David Mulpeter could retire.

We arrived at the conveniently located Eastbourne Pier stop and boarded a midweek 1100 departure which was over half full (I believe these have around 51 seats upstairs) and travelled to Birling Gap. The idea was to walk back along the cliffs to Beachy Head where we’d catch a bus back to Eastbourne, covering the cliff top section of route a second time and in total a full loop. In the end it was such a nice day we walked back to Eastbourne, from where we then completed a full loop on the bus. The bus was a half open-top Ayats, with the second bus in service being fully open top. A third fully open top bus was parked on the seafront acting as ticket office (and presumably an operational spare/potential dupe?).

The bus had typical plastic open top seats which were sufficient for the work they do, albeit I found legroom a bit of a squeeze. Informative audio commentary in English language plays out of speakers, rather than multi language using headphones. The bell presses on the upper deck walls seemed badly placed as people’s legs naturally rest against them, however I didn’t appear to accidentally ding it and the audio commentary seemed to imply the bell push by the stairs was the one to use. I didn’t intentionally try my seat side one to know if it worked or not. Only a couple of stops appear to be request stops though, highlighted by the commentary, with the majority - including key tourist ones - seemingly compulsory. The vehicle seemed to cope with the steep hills very well without sounding or feeling strained or anything.

Our second trip after our walk was around two thirds full, with decent loadings through the day when we saw the vehicles. Not bad for a mid week in early May. I’d highly recommend this route with its beautiful views and walking opportunities, interesting commentary, friendly staff and reliable service. Hopefully Brighton & Hove will keep up the high standard. The village of East Dean has an attractive feel from what we saw from the stop but we didn’t get chance to explore due to wanting to fit in crazy golf and fish and chips on the beach afterwards!

Rumour has it Stagecoach are looking to return to open top workings in Eastbourne, but it’s unclear if it’ll be reviving their most recent attempt in the mid 2010s of a simple seafront service eastwards (Holywell - Pier - South Harbour similar to their current Dotto land train), or if they’ll be trying something competitive to Beachy Head too. I feel the latter would be doomed to fail though, given how established, frequent and reasonably priced the current service is. Or, it could just be rumour!

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Photo of walkers on the cliff and showing how close the bus stops to the cliff edges at the lighthouse stop
 
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My first attempt at a trip report so I will see how this goes.

I was travelling yesterday (Monday 20th May) on the evening 32A and I've got a few observations that the forum may find interesting. Bit of a longer post but it just explains my experiences. Some positives, some negative, some just interesting things.

The 32A seemed to be proving useful for passengers other than those travelling to/from Alton Towers as we had passengers boarding in Rocester, and a few alighting in other areas which are only served by the 32A. This is really good as it means the service has more purpose, I do think it's a shame that there isn't a partnership with JCB to get buses running that way for the factory staff as I think that could really boost the 32 corridor. Without the 32A variant though, a couple of passengers wouldn't have been able to make the journeys that they did or they would have had to walk from Cheadle High Street so it's a good addition, even if it does make the timetable a bit complex.

Upon arriving at Alton Towers, I was amazed that Alton Towers had invested in a high quality new bus stopping area. Only kidding. Rather than the drive on, reverse off bus stop with passengers waiting in the safe pedestrian only area, now everyone has to just stand in the middle of the car park. Painted white lines being the protection between the car park exit road and the bus waiting area. They have helpfully put crash barriers between the bus stop and the passenger waiting area, I presume the risk of a professional bus driver running over all of the waiting passengers is much greater than the risk of numerous cars exiting the car park. There are 2 gaps in the crash barriers therefore making 2 stands, unhelpfully though, these aren't marked as being for the 32A or X41 so it becomes a free for all when people see which stop the bus pulls up to, with people barging others out of the way so that they can get a better seat on the bus (yes, I did witness a number of grown adults from the back barge through families so that they could get to the front of the queue for boarding).

The X41 was already on its stand and loading and so I was watching both my bus, the 32A, and the X41 loading. The X41 was operated by an E200 (Bustimes suggests bus 594) and ended up completely full to its legal capacity (41 seated plus around 30 standing), and still 10 people left over with no bus to get them home. Left to fend for themselves as there is literally no other bus to take them towards Stafford/Uttoxeter. 2 issues here, Firstly I've said before about D&G wanting the passenger numbers to suit the size of the bus rather than providing a bus which suits the passenger numbers, here is an example of that. Secondly, this could have been resolved if D&G and Alton Towers, whomever is at fault, opened up the staff buses for public use, this would act as extra buses to get people home rather than being so limited to 1 bus each way and if you don't get on it, you're possibly stranded.

On the 32A, there was only the bus from Uttoxeter as the dupe bus which starts at Alton Towers was running late (Link goes to bustimes.org for the 17:40 trip from Alton Towers on Monday 20th May, which shows the bus running 24 minutes late from Alton Towers). Thankfully everyone got on the one bus but it was completely full seated and we had standing. Standing is not for the faint hearted on the roads between Alton Towers and Cheadle and I dread to think how passengers got on with the X41, as that is just as bad between Alton Towers and Uttoxeter.

We left Alton Towers on time and we plodded on pretty much on time, or with a small delay due to road works, cars not letting the bus through the narrow country lanes, and the bus being a bit slow on the hills. The biggest delay we hit was actually Hanley Bus Station. Despite the bus station being empty, we still had to sit for 2 minutes waiting for the traffic light system to cycle around, telling us that it's our turn to reverse. The joys of timed lights rather than logic or request to reverse buttons. On the whole a decent journey though. I'm not sure what happens at Stoke Rail Station though as this is advertised as the last stop. I got off the bus and but at least 1 passenger remained onboard. They asked the driver if he was continuing somewhere (didn't hear where) but they remained onboard. There is no information anywhere on the bus going further than Stoke Station and so any information on where the 32A continues to would be interesting. No info on D&Gs website, nothing in their open data.

The loadings that I witnessed at Alton Towers were that 70ish people were on the X41 which is a very good load and especially if they paid full price, got to be making some money there, plus around 50ish on the 32A shows that Alton Towers must be a decent stop. It's surprising that before D&G there was such a long time without Alton Towers having basically no service. I do hope that D&G expand their services to Alton Towers and make it easier to get tickets for the services. Hopefully Alton Towers continues to do well and they put more buses on eventually and Alton Towers sort out their infrastructure. Baffles me why in this day in age it's still seen as acceptable to move bus passengers from a safe pedestrian area to a new area in the middle of the car park just so that you can sell a few more car parking spaces.
 

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My first attempt at a trip report so I will see how this goes.

I was travelling yesterday (Monday 20th May) on the evening 32A and I've got a few observations that the forum may find interesting. Bit of a longer post but it just explains my experiences. Some positives, some negative, some just interesting things.

The 32A seemed to be proving useful for passengers other than those travelling to/from Alton Towers as we had passengers boarding in Rocester, and a few alighting in other areas which are only served by the 32A. This is really good as it means the service has more purpose, I do think it's a shame that there isn't a partnership with JCB to get buses running that way for the factory staff as I think that could really boost the 32 corridor. Without the 32A variant though, a couple of passengers wouldn't have been able to make the journeys that they did or they would have had to walk from Cheadle High Street so it's a good addition, even if it does make the timetable a bit complex.

Upon arriving at Alton Towers, I was amazed that Alton Towers had invested in a high quality new bus stopping area. Only kidding. Rather than the drive on, reverse off bus stop with passengers waiting in the safe pedestrian only area, now everyone has to just stand in the middle of the car park. Painted white lines being the protection between the car park exit road and the bus waiting area. They have helpfully put crash barriers between the bus stop and the passenger waiting area, I presume the risk of a professional bus driver running over all of the waiting passengers is much greater than the risk of numerous cars exiting the car park. There are 2 gaps in the crash barriers therefore making 2 stands, unhelpfully though, these aren't marked as being for the 32A or X41 so it becomes a free for all when people see which stop the bus pulls up to, with people barging others out of the way so that they can get a better seat on the bus (yes, I did witness a number of grown adults from the back barge through families so that they could get to the front of the queue for boarding).

The X41 was already on its stand and loading and so I was watching both my bus, the 32A, and the X41 loading. The X41 was operated by an E200 (Bustimes suggests bus 594) and ended up completely full to its legal capacity (41 seated plus around 30 standing), and still 10 people left over with no bus to get them home. Left to fend for themselves as there is literally no other bus to take them towards Stafford/Uttoxeter. 2 issues here, Firstly I've said before about D&G wanting the passenger numbers to suit the size of the bus rather than providing a bus which suits the passenger numbers, here is an example of that. Secondly, this could have been resolved if D&G and Alton Towers, whomever is at fault, opened up the staff buses for public use, this would act as extra buses to get people home rather than being so limited to 1 bus each way and if you don't get on it, you're possibly stranded.

On the 32A, there was only the bus from Uttoxeter as the dupe bus which starts at Alton Towers was running late (Link goes to bustimes.org for the 17:40 trip from Alton Towers on Monday 20th May, which shows the bus running 24 minutes late from Alton Towers). Thankfully everyone got on the one bus but it was completely full seated and we had standing. Standing is not for the faint hearted on the roads between Alton Towers and Cheadle and I dread to think how passengers got on with the X41, as that is just as bad between Alton Towers and Uttoxeter.

We left Alton Towers on time and we plodded on pretty much on time, or with a small delay due to road works, cars not letting the bus through the narrow country lanes, and the bus being a bit slow on the hills. The biggest delay we hit was actually Hanley Bus Station. Despite the bus station being empty, we still had to sit for 2 minutes waiting for the traffic light system to cycle around, telling us that it's our turn to reverse. The joys of timed lights rather than logic or request to reverse buttons. On the whole a decent journey though. I'm not sure what happens at Stoke Rail Station though as this is advertised as the last stop. I got off the bus and but at least 1 passenger remained onboard. They asked the driver if he was continuing somewhere (didn't hear where) but they remained onboard. There is no information anywhere on the bus going further than Stoke Station and so any information on where the 32A continues to would be interesting. No info on D&Gs website, nothing in their open data.

The loadings that I witnessed at Alton Towers were that 70ish people were on the X41 which is a very good load and especially if they paid full price, got to be making some money there, plus around 50ish on the 32A shows that Alton Towers must be a decent stop. It's surprising that before D&G there was such a long time without Alton Towers having basically no service. I do hope that D&G expand their services to Alton Towers and make it easier to get tickets for the services. Hopefully Alton Towers continues to do well and they put more buses on eventually and Alton Towers sort out their infrastructure. Baffles me why in this day in age it's still seen as acceptable to move bus passengers from a safe pedestrian area to a new area in the middle of the car park just so that you can sell a few more car parking spaces.
Good to see your report. If the 32 and X41 are justifying larger vehicles than D&G currently use, then not certain why they don't employ them. Certainly, it is strange as Julian Peddle was quite happy to buy large numbers of deckers in Stevensons days though he was very much single deck orientated at MK Metro. Perhaps something for them to address.

The creation of a decent waiting facility for bus users at Alton Towers doesn't seem too much of an ask when you consider it. What you described sounds a bit temporary and you can only hope it is.

As regards the other comments about AT staff vehicles, I guess the thinking is this. In the morning, you are going to have staff arriving a good 90 mins before starting work. If you have the general public getting those vehicles, will it a) stop workers getting on them and b) what do the general public do before they are able to enter the site? Same issue might arise in the afternoon and arguably, if you have the same capacity morning and evening, you shouldn't have anybody stranded?

I don't know why JCB hasn't engaged but perhaps they don't feel they need to. It might simply be they pay well enough that they don't struggle to recruit and have provided a massive amount of car parking.

Again, thanks for posting. Been a long time since I went to Alton Towers (but have been on the Kingfisher a few times in 2020 and 2021).
 
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My first attempt at a trip report so I will see how this goes.

I was travelling yesterday (Monday 20th May) on the evening 32A and I've got a few observations that the forum may find interesting. Bit of a longer post but it just explains my experiences. Some positives, some negative, some just interesting things.

The 32A seemed to be proving useful for passengers other than those travelling to/from Alton Towers as we had passengers boarding in Rocester, and a few alighting in other areas which are only served by the 32A. This is really good as it means the service has more purpose, I do think it's a shame that there isn't a partnership with JCB to get buses running that way for the factory staff as I think that could really boost the 32 corridor. Without the 32A variant though, a couple of passengers wouldn't have been able to make the journeys that they did or they would have had to walk from Cheadle High Street so it's a good addition, even if it does make the timetable a bit complex.

Upon arriving at Alton Towers, I was amazed that Alton Towers had invested in a high quality new bus stopping area. Only kidding. Rather than the drive on, reverse off bus stop with passengers waiting in the safe pedestrian only area, now everyone has to just stand in the middle of the car park. Painted white lines being the protection between the car park exit road and the bus waiting area. They have helpfully put crash barriers between the bus stop and the passenger waiting area, I presume the risk of a professional bus driver running over all of the waiting passengers is much greater than the risk of numerous cars exiting the car park. There are 2 gaps in the crash barriers therefore making 2 stands, unhelpfully though, these aren't marked as being for the 32A or X41 so it becomes a free for all when people see which stop the bus pulls up to, with people barging others out of the way so that they can get a better seat on the bus (yes, I did witness a number of grown adults from the back barge through families so that they could get to the front of the queue for boarding).

The X41 was already on its stand and loading and so I was watching both my bus, the 32A, and the X41 loading. The X41 was operated by an E200 (Bustimes suggests bus 594) and ended up completely full to its legal capacity (41 seated plus around 30 standing), and still 10 people left over with no bus to get them home. Left to fend for themselves as there is literally no other bus to take them towards Stafford/Uttoxeter. 2 issues here, Firstly I've said before about D&G wanting the passenger numbers to suit the size of the bus rather than providing a bus which suits the passenger numbers, here is an example of that. Secondly, this could have been resolved if D&G and Alton Towers, whomever is at fault, opened up the staff buses for public use, this would act as extra buses to get people home rather than being so limited to 1 bus each way and if you don't get on it, you're possibly stranded.

On the 32A, there was only the bus from Uttoxeter as the dupe bus which starts at Alton Towers was running late (Link goes to bustimes.org for the 17:40 trip from Alton Towers on Monday 20th May, which shows the bus running 24 minutes late from Alton Towers). Thankfully everyone got on the one bus but it was completely full seated and we had standing. Standing is not for the faint hearted on the roads between Alton Towers and Cheadle and I dread to think how passengers got on with the X41, as that is just as bad between Alton Towers and Uttoxeter.

We left Alton Towers on time and we plodded on pretty much on time, or with a small delay due to road works, cars not letting the bus through the narrow country lanes, and the bus being a bit slow on the hills. The biggest delay we hit was actually Hanley Bus Station. Despite the bus station being empty, we still had to sit for 2 minutes waiting for the traffic light system to cycle around, telling us that it's our turn to reverse. The joys of timed lights rather than logic or request to reverse buttons. On the whole a decent journey though. I'm not sure what happens at Stoke Rail Station though as this is advertised as the last stop. I got off the bus and but at least 1 passenger remained onboard. They asked the driver if he was continuing somewhere (didn't hear where) but they remained onboard. There is no information anywhere on the bus going further than Stoke Station and so any information on where the 32A continues to would be interesting. No info on D&Gs website, nothing in their open data.

The loadings that I witnessed at Alton Towers were that 70ish people were on the X41 which is a very good load and especially if they paid full price, got to be making some money there, plus around 50ish on the 32A shows that Alton Towers must be a decent stop. It's surprising that before D&G there was such a long time without Alton Towers having basically no service. I do hope that D&G expand their services to Alton Towers and make it easier to get tickets for the services. Hopefully Alton Towers continues to do well and they put more buses on eventually and Alton Towers sort out their infrastructure. Baffles me why in this day in age it's still seen as acceptable to move bus passengers from a safe pedestrian area to a new area in the middle of the car park just so that you can sell a few more car parking spaces.
Good to see your report. Interesting and encouraging to see the good loads at Alton Towers of people making use of public transport. I would have thought that being left behind at Alton Towers in the evening is not going to encourage people again though! I can understand it if passengers arrive on several different journeys and all wish to leave at chucking out time but not on one bus per day like the X41. Hopefully they can get this sorted. D & G seem to have a complete aversion to double deckers so I wouldn't hold your breath - they would have had some on the 31/37 Northwich routes if they were ever going to. Back in 2015 I did a trip from Uttoxeter on what was then the First Potteries 32A via Alton Towers and the villages as opposed to most journeys which were on the 32, but this journey left Uttoxeter around 9am and provided a shopping service from the villages into the main towns - I think the whole 32A was withdrawn soon after and later of course the whole service (after being the Kingfisher for a while). This was a double decker and there were passengers, but obviously not enough for it to be commercial to First's standards.
 

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I promised a report of my Lancashire trip, which concluded yesterday. This was effectively over four days, and I am pushed for time, so I'll start here and conclude with a further post or two in the future. The background is that I and some very long time friends, all of whom (including me) worked in the industry from school through to retirement, have an annual trip, something we have done for 20 or so years now, to a different aea each year, riding by bus. I prepare an itinerary each year, looking to cover interssting places on interesting routes.

This year's trip was based at Clitheroe; the official start point (we are coming from different directions) was Chorley Interchange at 1400 on Monday. I had travelled up on Sunday and stayed at Preston; on Monday morning I had a train ride to Accrington and back to look at the current scene there, as it was one town I had not been able to get into the itinerary. Accrington has a modern bus station close to the rail station and was the start of an undoubted and heartening theme for the week, smart Lancashire CC bus stations with excellent facilities, staff to help folks, and stacks of printed timetable material available for those who prefer to use it. I was able to observe services of Pilkingtons, who run the locals with smart Optare Solo SRs, various Transdev subsidiaries, Holmeswood and Stagecoach. Printed timetables were available for all.

After a brief walk round a nondescript town cente, I headed back to Preston to collect my bag, and I used Stagecoach 109 to get me to Chorley, a standard ADL E200 with the usual rattles. The route was tortuous, and there has been huge development in the area since I used to ride it with Fishwicks; I now find the Leyland area even more confusing. So, evidently, did the driver, as he promptly got lost after leaving the large Tesco at Towngate, eventually having to retrace his steps after reversing into a residential side street! The bus carried a total of 35 or so people; those present at the time stoically observed the driver's efforts, until a young local got up to give him a bit of help.

Chorley produced another modern bus station, currently in the midst of improvement works. On meeting up (three of us, with the other delayed by the state of the train service), we set out back to Preston on Tyrers 119, again by a tortuous route and again an E200, extremely smartly presented. This is a three bus contract which takes over an hour for the journey; usage was light. Back at Preston's large and iconic bus station there was time for a tea break in the excellent cafe before Preston Bus to Longridge, a Streetlite (certainly not my favourite bus), where we transferred (just, thanks to roadworks) to Pilkingtons service 5, which took us to our lodgings at Clitheroe. Ths was a Solo SR, of which they use ten or so on their network, sportingly driven by a friendly local. On the way we were able to observe the depot of Mario at Ribchester, where the buses were being cleaned after returning from their school contracts, the double decks neatly lined up at the back. This section saw our first real scenery of the trip, and very pleasant it was too, before we pulled into Clitheroe Interchange, alongside the rail station, on time at 1808. Clitheroe is something of a mecca for a significant number of tendered services, which have seen endless operators over the years; the idea was to travel them all by the time the trip finished.

So, a taster here, as I do have some time constraints. Tuesday involved Clitheroe to Preston to Lancaster to Kirkby Lonsdale to Settle and then back over the new Bowland service 11 by 21 Transport back to Clitheroe. It was the scenic day - Wednesday was an awful day for weather which did not help, but was generally more urban - Clitheroe to Blackburn, round the northern circular by Blackburn Private Hire, then to Darwen to Bury to Rawtenstall to Burnley to Whalley and back to Clitheroe. Thursday was to Nelson, then Skipton, then various routes across to Leeds before heading home. There were some interesting rides, places, and operators/vehicles, so I'll write these days up here as soon as I have the opportunity.
 

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The creation of a decent waiting facility for bus users at Alton Towers doesn't seem too much of an ask when you consider it. What you described sounds a bit temporary and you can only hope it is.
It was better how it was, least people waited in the pedestrianised area rather than in the middle of the car park haha. Using my high quality artistic skills, the best way of showing it is that the blue shows the old bus stop and you can see the line markings for the buses. The new area in in the red. It's a bit longer than shown in the photo but you get the idea. It is literally in the middle of the car park. Cars pass behind the bus waiting area with no safe pedestrian walkway to get to the bus zone. Open air with no potential for cover as you wouldn't be able to see your bus.

I hope it's temporary but given the wider Merlin groups attitudes towards buses, I think it may be the plan long term.
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As regards the other comments about AT staff vehicles, I guess the thinking is this. In the morning, you are going to have staff arriving a good 90 mins before starting work. If you have the general public getting those vehicles, will it a) stop workers getting on them and b) what do the general public do before they are able to enter the site? Same issue might arise in the afternoon and arguably, if you have the same capacity morning and evening, you shouldn't have anybody stranded?
The Towers buses run through the day for various shift patterns. Some buses do run much earlier or later than the site opening times but not all of them. Some of the buses arrive at 09:45, 11:45ish. Leaving around 15:45 and 18:45ish.

For a potentially high demand service like Towers, I would be trying to have a bus and driver on standby between say 5pm and 7pm (the peak time for local bus and staff bus departures) incase of the overload or breakdown. It's a high risk service and you mess it up, you are risking losing the contract or maybe not being given access to the site (Merlin work off an exclusivity agreement to try and stop competition. I know as I emailed into Merlin to try and get approval for running a local bus there and they said no because of their longstanding partnership with another operator). Whether that standby is used for staff bus or X41/32A overload, it's worthwhile having the standby bus there just incase.

I don't know why JCB hasn't engaged but perhaps they don't feel they need to. It might simply be they pay well enough that they don't struggle to recruit and have provided a massive amount of car parking.
Perhaps. A shame though as look at all of those single occupancy vehicles.

Good to see your report. Interesting and encouraging to see the good loads at Alton Towers of people making use of public transport. I would have thought that being left behind at Alton Towers in the evening is not going to encourage people again though! I can understand it if passengers arrive on several different journeys and all wish to leave at chucking out time but not on one bus per day like the X41. Hopefully they can get this sorted. D & G seem to have a complete aversion to double deckers so I wouldn't hold your breath - they would have had some on the 31/37 Northwich routes if they were ever going to. Back in 2015 I did a trip from Uttoxeter on what was then the First Potteries 32A via Alton Towers and the villages as opposed to most journeys which were on the 32, but this journey left Uttoxeter around 9am and provided a shopping service from the villages into the main towns - I think the whole 32A was withdrawn soon after and later of course the whole service (after being the Kingfisher for a while). This was a double decker and there were passengers, but obviously not enough for it to be commercial to First's standards.
Deckers would be ideal but even if not that, full size heavyweights do the job. A Volvo V8 for example may only have an extra few seats but it has more standing space.
 

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I promised a report of my Lancashire trip, which concluded yesterday. This was effectively over four days, and I am pushed for time, so I'll start here and conclude with a further post or two in the future. The background is that I and some very long time friends, all of whom (including me) worked in the industry from school through to retirement, have an annual trip, something we have done for 20 or so years now, to a different aea each year, riding by bus. I prepare an itinerary each year, looking to cover interssting places on interesting routes.

This year's trip was based at Clitheroe; the official start point (we are coming from different directions) was Chorley Interchange at 1400 on Monday. I had travelled up on Sunday and stayed at Preston; on Monday morning I had a train ride to Accrington and back to look at the current scene there, as it was one town I had not been able to get into the itinerary. Accrington has a modern bus station close to the rail station and was the start of an undoubted and heartening theme for the week, smart Lancashire CC bus stations with excellent facilities, staff to help folks, and stacks of printed timetable material available for those who prefer to use it. I was able to observe services of Pilkingtons, who run the locals with smart Optare Solo SRs, various Transdev subsidiaries, Holmeswood and Stagecoach. Printed timetables were available for all.

After a brief walk round a nondescript town cente, I headed back to Preston to collect my bag, and I used Stagecoach 109 to get me to Chorley, a standard ADL E200 with the usual rattles. The route was tortuous, and there has been huge development in the area since I used to ride it with Fishwicks; I now find the Leyland area even more confusing. So, evidently, did the driver, as he promptly got lost after leaving the large Tesco at Towngate, eventually having to retrace his steps after reversing into a residential side street! The bus carried a total of 35 or so people; those present at the time stoically observed the driver's efforts, until a young local got up to give him a bit of help.

Chorley produced another modern bus station, currently in the midst of improvement works. On meeting up (three of us, with the other delayed by the state of the train service), we set out back to Preston on Tyrers 119, again by a tortuous route and again an E200, extremely smartly presented. This is a three bus contract which takes over an hour for the journey; usage was light. Back at Preston's large and iconic bus station there was time for a tea break in the excellent cafe before Preston Bus to Longridge, a Streetlite (certainly not my favourite bus), where we transferred (just, thanks to roadworks) to Pilkingtons service 5, which took us to our lodgings at Clitheroe. Ths was a Solo SR, of which they use ten or so on their network, sportingly driven by a friendly local. On the way we were able to observe the depot of Mario at Ribchester, where the buses were being cleaned after returning from their school contracts, the double decks neatly lined up at the back. This section saw our first real scenery of the trip, and very pleasant it was too, before we pulled into Clitheroe Interchange, alongside the rail station, on time at 1808. Clitheroe is something of a mecca for a significant number of tendered services, which have seen endless operators over the years; the idea was to travel them all by the time the trip finished.

So, a taster here, as I do have some time constraints. Tuesday involved Clitheroe to Preston to Lancaster to Kirkby Lonsdale to Settle and then back over the new Bowland service 11 by 21 Transport back to Clitheroe. It was the scenic day - Wednesday was an awful day for weather which did not help, but was generally more urban - Clitheroe to Blackburn, round the northern circular by Blackburn Private Hire, then to Darwen to Bury to Rawtenstall to Burnley to Whalley and back to Clitheroe. Thursday was to Nelson, then Skipton, then various routes across to Leeds before heading home. There were some interesting rides, places, and operators/vehicles, so I'll write these days up here as soon as I have the opportunity.
Thanks for this interesting report. A good location to base yourselves with plenty of options. I look forward to hearing about the other days, especially the scenic Tuesday, there are routes here on my to-do list.
 

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A week off thanks to the half term (and no future favoured to transport to school) meant I was able to have a nice day out on Wednesday just gone. Typically, my complex domestic set up means that the 'fun monitor' (to use @TheGrandWazoo terminology) was staying in the home of flat caps and whippets instead of her native Somerset.

Last year I found out about Peak Sightseer from a Roger French blog post. Having read through it, I consigned that to the 'wants doing' list which is rather long. So this was mentioned to senior management, who has a slight weakness for open top buses. 'What, spend the day on an open top bus going through the Peak District, for £9.50?! And I get to go to Blue John Cavern? Count me in...'

A quick message to Stagecoach's Chesterfield Operations Manager on facebook revealed the most optimal parking place would be in Baslow - and so we hit the A1, M18 and the M1 and land in Baslow sometime before 0900. Always allow for a time buffer in the event of silly road users. As can be seen from photo 1, fun monitor wasn't very happy at the early start so cake and coffee was called for - as bribery and corruption continues to hold value in this world. Suitably refreshed, we still don't have someone very happy. Oh well. Maybe my friends on Facebook would like to see the photo? Turns out that wasn't approved either!

As can be seen, fun monitor wasn't happy at the early start!
You can also see that there is very clear and concise information on the service in the timetable case. The Peak Sightseer picks up on one side only in Baslow at Nether End - whereas Hulleys and TM Travel use both sides of the road. We have however headed off any 'where do we catch this bus from' conversations though.

TM's fleet seems a little careworn, with a number of ex Lothian ADL Enviro 400s in traffic with what we'd describe as 'rushed back into service' condition after accident repairs. They were however turning up when the timetables said they would be.

Hulley's fleet is a shadow of it's former self - the once immaculate operation does have buses in full livery, but more recent additions include a 2009 ADL Enviro 200 from Panther Travel, in operation with handwritten legal lettering on a sheet of A4 in a nearside window, a blue smoke trail from the engine which Greta Thunberg would really scowl at. Best of all was the 05 plate Optare Solo which was later spotted in Castleton and was still in CT Coaches colours, with a non working front destination screen and a handwritten piece of A4 in the windscreen telling me it was doing a 173 and nothing about where it could be going. An ex London Enviro 400 in full livery looked really good, whereas the 64 plate Enviro 200 I spotted in Baslow was in full livery but the panels weren't too straight. Under the previous regime, the vehicle wouldn't have left the depot if it wasn't immaculate! Perhaps there is some serious cashflow management in action at Hulleys which would explain the state of vehicles and minor issues not being attended to. I hope they can sort themselves out as they're running in some beautiful country and some passionate people are there wanting to do things.

Whilst we're waiting, our intended bus rolled in but needed to visit Chatsworth before returning back to us. Enough time for me to get a photo of it though. Doesn't it look nice?

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Our Scania returns from Chatsworth and Scania/Enviro 400 15719 picks us up at 10:00 along with a number of other intending customers. I ask for two £9.50 day tickets, get them, and make a beeline for the top deck for our journey on Blue Route all the way to Blue John Cavern. Among the many highlights of the route is the penultimate part up Winnats Pass.
Winnats Pass (wrong weather)

Not long after, we roll into the turnaround point at Blue John Cavern. That's a rather nice backdrop for your photos! One of our top deck riders is clearly known to the driver of our bus and introduces himself as 'Baggy'. This is one of the rostered drivers for the route, and is an enthusiast of long standing. He is also one of the admins of the Peak Sightseer facebook group which is private but you can ask to join. It's got contributions from the management but is run by the drivers. Evidently, the company is quite invested in the route, and the people working it also are too. It's Baggy's day off and his family have come out with him to ride the route, but he is still in welcoming driver mode with all the customers. I'd put that as 'above and beyond' Like me and senior management, he's getting off in Castleton at the visitor centre on the way back. So we shall meet again.

rns view of 15719 - Blue John Cavernfos view 15719 - Blue John Cavern

We then head off on the 11:20 departure from Blue John Cavern to Castleton. And we go back down Winnats Pass where I try to take photos. Which are blurry and thus deleted so not being shared. It's possible you can order sunshine and intercept the buses along the route and obtain some very nice photos. For me to try this I've got to engage in some Ivo Peters type chasing and driving in a 14 year old decomposing Peugeot Partner diesel van with sedate changing gearbox - whereas he had a Bentley and highly co operative loco crews. Suspect he'd have had more chance of achieving this if he were still around.

Castleton isn't too far distant and we're soon at the visitor centre for an hour's stop. As we're visitors wanting to find out stuff that's sort of required for us. We now have ideas for future visits as today was intended as a dip the toe and see if you like the place.

Our next bus then comes outbound on it's way to Blue John Cavern, so I nab this photo whilst the fun monitor is perusing the assorted souvenir shops in her quest to find some Blue John. For those unaware, that's a type of mineral which is blue in colour, mined only at the cavern which bears it's name and is sort of the holy grail amongst crystals and is cold to touch. Senior Management has a wide crystal collection which possibly explains the enthusiasm for the day trip. :D I can expand on crystals but this is a bus and coach sub forum.

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At 12:30, 15718 comes into view on the return journey and we take seats downstairs as we're getting off at Longshaw Estate for a walk down Padley Gorge. I mention to the friendly driver where we want to alight the bus and is it possible for you to remember as my own memory is somewhat unreliable. 'Well mine's not much better but I'll see what I can do'... As the bus comes up to Surprise View, we're papped by a bus enthusiast on the bank and if you click here you can see his photo. I'm hidden behind the 'Proud to serve' window sticker whereas senior management is sat before it. We aren't the only ones getting off at Longshaw thankfully. As it's now 1pm some lunch is called for, and a couple of toasties later we're suitably refreshed for one of the fun monitor's 'gentle' country strolls. Gentle is in quote marks as her definition of easy doesn't align with mine. It's a good job I brought a walking pole with me as Padley Gorge is akin to climbing Mount Everest without the help from Sherpas. However she has picked the downhill version of this walk, which will take us into Grindleford if we survive the 2 hour mountain trek.

All of this walking occupies 2 hours and Grindleford is reached around 4pm and that's just in time to catch the 16:15 bus to Chatsworth (which was the 15:20 from Blue John). This turns out to be the bus from Castleton and still has the same driver. Some friendly banter as we board (you know - the not two again sort) and we head down to Chatsworth House. I've never been here, neither has the fun monitor. The £35pp entry price brings out the honorary Yorkshireperson in me and I can't see me parting with this much to see the delights of the interior. It does however have a very nice long driveway which is what I wanted to see.

Chatsworth is one end of 'Blue' route which we've travelled today - but the route from last year is now called 'Red' and this increase in peak vehicle requirement has meant the lending of 3 open tops from Stagecoach South West for the season. One of these loanees is kept at Chatsworth as a standby vehicle during the day. That's a practice I much approve of as it means the timetables can continue to operate whilst you resolve your operational issues with the benefit of more time. No pulling trips due to 'no bus' here evidently!

The 20 minutes at Chatsworth means we have time for more photos. You can see the fun monitor is now more happy than when we started also!

I think this qualifies as 'happy'Westcountryman having an adventure - Chatsworth15718 @ Chatsworth

Our day is about to come to an end, as we go around to start the 17:00 trip which truncates at Castleton. Unhelpfully there's an unannounced road closure in that area and our driver is concerned he won't be able to get through and so seeks advice from his depot. I'm informed he was indeed thanked by management for his efforts (rather than worse) when I queried this later once home. We leave the bus at Baslow and home we head with someone much happier than when we began our day!

Final thoughts? This is a route you really must do. You're going to see lovely views from the bus and if you can pre-order the right weather it'll be a very nice day out. The drivers working the service have a dedicated roster and the company is very invested in making the service work. That passion is clear to see and once the start up funding ends I can see the route becoming a permanent fixture. Hats off to @mk1979 and his team for getting the service going. We will be returning (no doubt to try 'Red') and I've told a few friends already who have put this on their 'must come and do' lists. I note also Roger French has returned too and remains as impressed as on the first visit...
 
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Well, first of all, you're a brave man for posting any photos. I'd not be doing that for fear of my "line manager" being distinctly miffed with me. At least she perked up via the restorative power of cake. ;)

As for the report, well the photos are great and the write up even better. It sounds like @mk1979 really have done a superb job on this and I hope I'll have chance to sample it. It sounds very much like the comprehensive job with great marketing and a strong operational commitment from both staff and management alike. The Peak District is an area that I've visited a few times and yet don't feel I know it so perhaps I should make a real effort to experience this. In terms of the feel of things, it is slightly reminiscent of the Exmoor Coaster (though First are doing some rather regrettable changes to that) with the marketing courtesy of Best Impressions. On a wider point, it is really heartening to hear of the staff's own commitment to this; something that we tend to forget is that there are a number of drivers, fitters and managers who are enthusiasts. They may not be ticking off numbers whilst sipping from a tartan thermos but they've chosen this industry and are committed to it.

Of course, you've stolen my thunder @M803UYA as I too have been out and about in a National Park (but not that one) though after your travelogue, I don't think it will compare!
 

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I’ve recently been up in the North East of Scotland staying for 9 nights in Aberdeen. This was a holiday which I had planned for this time last year but had to cancel at the last minute due to train strikes. I travelled up by train from Nottinghamshire to Aberdeen and stayed in the Ibis Quayside Hotel which was very conveniently only 5 minutes walk to the bus station. I would have preferred something a bit more upmarket than an Ibis, but prices in Aberdeen, even in May, were expensive. It was ok, clean and quiet, with a very comfortable bed and a good breakfast.

On arrival in Aberdeen I called in at the Stagecoach Travel Shop at the bus station and got a 7 Day Bluebird Explorer loaded onto my Smartcard. I decided upon this rather than rely on a mobile ticket just in case on some long days out my phone battery got a bit low. At £51.20 it only works out at just over £7 a day and covers huge distances. It is good value but still expensive in comparison to other similar tickets such as the East Scotland ticket. This wasn’t to be a holiday where the main purpose was to travel on buses but a holiday visiting interesting locations using the bus to travel there. I’ve had numerous holidays over years all over the Scottish mainland and the Western Isles but the area around Aberdeen was new territory for me. Also most of my previous visits to Scotland have been by car and so using buses in Scotland was something new for me.

Most mornings I had an early breakfast and got out before 9am. and after a very busy day travelling, walking and generally exploring I got back to my hotel no later than 7pm. One thing that had to be taken into consideration was the long distances that the regular bus routes travel. You board a bus in Aberdeen and the journey may be 2 hours or more and that’s not including the buses which run right through to Inverness.

DAY 1
Royal Deeside visiting Ballater, Balmoral and Braemar.
I got the 0830 number 201 bus from Aberdeen to Ballater. A journey of almost 2 hours on a normal rattling Stagecoach single decker very similar to the buses I travel on regularly at home in Nottinghamshire with Stagecoach East Midlands. It seemed to take an age to get out of Aberdeen but eventually after over 30 minutes of travelling through built up areas the scenery improved. Travelling up the valley through Peterculter, Banchory, Aboyne and finally reaching Ballater the scenery became more like the wild Scotland I knew as we got closer to the Grampian Mountains.

I had an hour to wander around the very pleasant small town of Ballater with its many royal connections, including the old railway station which is now a tearoom and gift shop, before catching the 203 bus further up Royal Deeside to Balmoral. It was good to be able to travel upstairs on a double decker for this part of the journey. I really enjoyed 3 hours walking around Balmoral. It was good to see the outside of the building and to walk around the gardens but most of all I enjoyed escaping the American tourists and walking around quieter parts of the estate including by the river. It was a surprise to see all of the daffodils still in full flower a good month after mine at home had finished, it was like going back in time to enjoy spring again. After 3 hours I continued further along the 203 route to the terminus at Braemar. I liked Braemar. It was much smaller and quieter than I had expected although probably not so quiet in July and August. Braemar had a nice feel to it. It was good to get a very good late afternoon meal in Farquharsons Bar.

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Ballater Station

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Balmoral with the daffodils still in full flower in mid May.


It was then a long journey back to Aberdeen on the 203 to Ballater for a quick change to the 201. Braemar to Aberdeen is around 60 miles. All of the 203’s I travelled on that day were double deckers but then it was a standard single decker again on the 201 back to Aberdeen.

DAY 2
Down the coast south of Aberdeen firstly on the 0905 X7 bus through Stonehaven to Donnottar Junction for the short walk to Donnottor Castle. This journey was my first on one of the yellow Stagecoach coaches which operate on many of the longer distance routes in the area. They are comfortable for longer journeys but some of the older passengers were having problems boarding and climbing the stairs with their shopping trolleys. Donnottar Castle was very impressive located on a rock on the edge of the cliffs and again there were lots of American tourists. I’m used to walking but I found the climbing up and down steep steps quite tiring. From Donnottar I walked along the cliffs back up the coast and down into Stonehaven. I liked the area around Stonehaven Harbour. It was a very warm day and I found a good mobile seafood place on the harbour side to get a nice lunch.

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Donnottar Castle

I hurried into the town centre just in time get the number 110 bus at 1.10pm which runs every 2 hours between Stonehaven and Montrose. It almost follows the same route as the X7 but leaves the main road to serve the very attractive fishing villages of Goudon and Johnshaven. These are places that I would have liked to explore but time was getting on and I wanted to visit St. Cyrus a little further down the coast. I got off the bus in St Cyrus village and walked down the lane to the sea. There is a huge nature reserve at St Cyrus and the views were fantastic. I would have loved to have gone down onto the beach and walked along the shore but it would have been such a long climb back up. My legs were still aching after climbing all of the steps at Donnottar earler in the day and so instead I had a lovely hour sitting on a seat with the most wonderful views along the coast.

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The beach and nature reserve at St Cyrus

Then it was back into the village to get a fast X7, yellow coach, for the 90 minute journey back up to Aberdeen.

DAY 3
A trip up the coast north from Aberdeen towards Peterhead and Fraserburgh. I got to the bus station in plenty of time to catch the X63 Peterhead bus at 0835 for a journey of around 1 hour as far as Cruden Bay. This was the most unpleasant journey of my 7 days using Stagecoach buses. I could tolerate the standard Stagecoach single decker but it was the unnecessary high speed driving that spoilt this journey for me. The driver drove the bus at high speed along winding country roads which resulted in a very bumpy rattle ride. At one point he drove around a bend to find a milk tanker parked outside a farm and had to brake very quickly and harshly resulting in some passengers belongings falling off the seats onto the floor. The main reason he seemed to be driving so fast was to enable him to have time for stops along the route, where he got out of the bus for a few minutes vaping and playing on his mobile phone.

I was pleased to get off the bus at Cruden Bay and walked down a lane beside an estuary past some bungalows to a bridge which went across to a huge empty sandy beach. I only had a quick stop here as I had other plans. The approach to this beach reminded me very much of Brora far further north on on the East Coast north of Dornoch. I set off from a small car park on a path through a wood which led out onto an open moorland type landscape towards the ruins of Slains Castle up on the edge of the cliffs. I then continued past the castle heading northward on a high and narrow clifftop path towards the Bullers of Buchan. This was a lonely but fantastic walk along very high cliffs with steep drops and interesting caves and rock formations. As I walked along this path, with not another person in sight, surrounded by dramatic scenery, I began to think I‘m in my late 60’s now and how many more years will I feel confident and fit enough to set off on my own on walks of this type. A depressing thought getting old. There were large numbers of seabirds along these cliffs and the wild flowers were beautiful with so many primroses, campions, violets and bluebells all growing on the cliff edge. The walk to the Bullers of Buchan took me just under 2 hours to a lonely bus stop by the main road where I had about 10 minutes to wait for an X63 heading towards Peterhead. This X63 was one of the comfortable yellow coaches with a much more careful driver.

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Between Cruden Bay and Bullers of Buchan

On arrival in Peterhead, which looked a bit rough, I decided to get back on the coach with the same driver as it was now forming the next X69 departure heading further up the coast to Fraserburgh. As we quickly progressed up the main road I wished that I had my car to enable me to visit more isolated locations close to the sea around Rattray Head and Loch of Strathbeg. Places I would liked to have visited but after the walk earlier in the day were too far from a bus stop. On arrival in Fraserburgh, which didn’t look half a rough as Peterhead, I found a very good fish and chip shop with small restaurant. Then I visited the extremely interesting Museum of Scottish Lighthouses which included a guided tour of the Fraserburgh Lighthouse. It was now almost 4pm and I decided to leave Fraserburgh as the journey back to Aberdeen was a long journey of around 1hr 45 minutes. I just got to the bus station in time to catch the X68 which left at 4pm. This was a double decker and although not particularly comfortable it gave me a good view of the Aberdeenshire countryside.

DAY 4
Way back in 1999 I had enjoyed a 2 week holiday staying in Burghead on the Murray Coast just north of Elgin. I decided to revisit this area but as it was such a long distance away I used the train from Aberdeen to Elgin and return. On arrival in Elgin I walked to the bus station to catch the 1015 number 32 bus for the short journey to Burghead. On passing through the villages on this route I was very surprised at how many new houses had been built and were still being built since I was last there 25 years ago. Hopeman and Burghead had really increased in size with lots of new housing developments. It was good to have an hour to wander around Burghead where the centre of the village hadn’t changed that much except perhaps it had been tidied up a little and was slightly more geared up for tourists.

I continued on the next 32 bus, an hour later through Kinloss to Findhorn. 25 years ago Kinloss had still been an active RAF base and I can remember watching the Nimrods flying around. Although much busier than I remembered it Findhorn had not changed that much. It was good to walk along the beach and by the side of the estuary again. It’s a lovely place with the almost white sands and the pine trees by the shore. After a couple of hours in Findhorn I got the 32 bus back to Elgin and then the train back to Aberdeen.

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The beach by the estuary at Findhorn

DAY 5
This being a Sunday I was a little more limited as to where I was able to go. I decided to have another trip on the 201 to visit Crathes Castle and Gardens near Banchory. On arrival at the bus station I discovered that the 0900 bus was not expected until 0920. Buses on the 201 route seemed to be running late for much of the day. The single decker became quite full as it picked up passengers on its way out of Aberdeen. I got off the bus at the gates of Crathes Castle and walked up the long drive. The huge walled gardens were well worth going to see although I would like to see them later in the summer when they are in full bloom. After almost 4 hours wandering around the gardens, the inside of the castle and walking around the extensive estate, I enjoyed a snack in the National Trust for Scotland cafe then walked back down the drive to the bus stop.

I was only intending doing a short ride into Banchory to have a look around the town. Then to my surprise the 15 minutes late 201 bus was a double decker and so I decided to remain on the bus all the way to Ballater to enjoy the views. It was a very warm day but snow could still be seen on the mountain tops. I just had an hour in Ballater walking by the River Dee before getting the bus back to Aberdeen, this time it was sadly just a single decker.

DAY 6
Around 15 years ago I had enjoyed a 2 week holiday staying near Portsoy up on the Aberdeenshire Coast, just west of Banff. What I really wanted to do was revisit a number of the fishing villages with their harbours along that bit of coast on the 35 bus route but it was not as easy to do as it first appeared. My intention was to do circular trip using the 10 and 35 buses which both run extremely long routes between Aberdeen and Inverness, changing between routes at the small town of Fochabers. The problem was the return journey. Both the 10 and 35 run hourly but from around 3pm there are big gaps in the timetable and also buses which do not run the full distance into Aberdeen. Therefore I could not do the number of stops offs that I would have liked. I needed to begin my return journey earlier than expected to avoid long waits and a late return into Aberdeen.

I caught the 0900 number 10 for the journey of just over 2 hours to Fochabers. This was one of the comfortable yellow Stagecoach coaches but was a slightly different model being more of a standard coach with less steps to climb. I think it was named The Gordon Highlander. A scenic ride through gently rolling hills and calling in at the towns of Inverurie, Huntley and Keith on the way. I think that Huntley looked a bit run down compared to 15 years ago with lots of closed shops. I arrived in Fochabers at 1112 with a wait until 1150 for the next 35 which runs northwards towards Buckie and then east along the coast. The 35 arrived about 10 minutes late and lost more time getting through Buckie. Fochabers was a lovely little place to have a short look around including the Gordon Chapel.

I stayed on the bus until Portnockie from where I walked along the old railway trail to the next coastal village of Cullen. The trail had recently been completely resurfaced. I think I remember reading that there was a forum walk along this trail last year. The well known Bow Fiddle Rock is close by but I had visited that 15 years ago. Cullen is a lovely place with its narrow streets of fishermen’s cottage with their red pan tiled roofs, along with a huge beach and harbour. It was good to visit it again. It was back on the 35 bus for the short ride along the coast to Portsoy. All of the buses that I travelled on along the 35 route were double deckers giving good views. Visiting Portsoy harbour again was great, such a lovely old village around the harbour to rival anywhere in Cornwall but fantastically very quiet with the harbourside almost deserted. Before getting the 35 bus for the very long journey of over 2 and a half hours to Aberdeen I called in at the well known Portsoy Ice Cream shop.

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A view of Cullen from the old railway trail.

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Portsoy Harbour


DAY 7
Where to go on final day using the Bluebird Explorer was somewhat determined by the weather. During the whole of my time in Aberdeen I had enjoyed fantastic dry sunny weather with quite warm days with temperatures in excess of 20 degrees C. Back home in England at the time the cooler wet weather had continued. Up on the Murray and North Aberdeenshire coast another warm day was forecast but the East Coast was to have low cloud and mist coming in off the sea. I awoke to a grey misty morning in Aberdeen so decided to once more take a long ride on the 35 with a 2 hour trip on the 0915 bus to Banff, once more a double decker. It remained grey and misty for much of the journey and I began to wonder if I had made the right decision, but on reaching the attractive looking town of Turriff the cloud was left behind and clear blue skies were in front.

On arrival in Banff I set off to walk towards the harbour, which although an interesting area of the town, it was not as attractive as many of the other towns and villages along that coast. Beyond the harbour things improved with rows of traditional single stories cottages facing the sea. Now in front of me was a large expanse of sandy beach at Inverboyndie. I decided to go down onto the beach and walk along the sands. With good weather and great scenery I decided to continue walking along the coast and aim for the fishing village of Whitehills to return to the 35 bus route. The next part of the walk was along a well surfaced cycle track with the sea to my right and hills covered in bright yellow gorse to my left. It was a lovely walk and great weather so I took my time and stopped on a few occasions to sit watching the sea and the sea birds. It was a very easy flat walk with an approach around the small headland into the very attractive village of Whitehills with its harbour and traditional cottages. It was now well into the afternoon and I was able to get a lovely meal of local monkfish and chips sitting in the garden at the Seafield Arms. It really was now quite a hot afternoon.

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The coastal footpath/cycle trail between Banff and Whitehills

After the walk and food I decided to get the 3.13pm bus back to Aberdeen. Even with this early return it would be getting on towards 6pm before I got back to my hotel and this was the last of the hourly buses before the timetable became irregular, and so moving on to somewhere else would have resulted in a late return to Aberdeen.

ABERDEEN
Although I have been reporting upon my days out with a 7 Day Stagecoach Bluebird Explorer I did have one more day in Aberdeen. It’s a city that I had never been to before so I did allow a day to explore. On the day that I arrived I had a walk from my hotel to the sea front. The sea front and beach at Aberdeen was better than I had expected. One of the highlights of my visit was spotting a dolphin close to the shore. I really liked the streets of old cottages near the harbour entrance. What I didn’t like was the depressing rundown streets between the city centre and the sea front.

I left exploring Aberdeen until my last day after my 7 day ticket had finished. It was my first visit to Aberdeen and it left me with mixed views about the city. The granite buildings were very impressive and Union Street must have been a very wealthy grand street of quality shops in the past. I found it very rough and run down with so many closed shops and few shops of any quality. Like so many cities there is a huge empty Debenhams store but also House of Fraser and even John Lewis have pulled out of Aberdeen. There is the new shopping centre adjoining the bus and railway stations which has some quite upmarket shops and numerous restaurants mainly of the usual chains. Away from there I just found much of Aberdeen run down and generally rough. I didn’t feel unsafe but it sadly had more than its fair share of homeless people sleeping in doorways, drunks and druggies. The oil boom is definitely over. I loved the wider area and it was a very convenient location to stay but it isn’t a city I would hurry to return to. Perhaps I’m being a bit unfair on the place but that was my impression during my stay. My hotel was in one of the more historic streets directly opposite the Maritime Museum but it still felt rough and uncared for.

To finish on a positive note. On my last day I took a First Aberdeen number 20 bus the short journey to Old Aberdeen just to the north of the city centre. I did like that are with its historic buildings around the university with cobbled streets. I visited the Botanic Gardens, St Machar’s Cathedral, Seaton Park and the Brig of Balgownie over the River Don. A beautiful historic part of Aberdeen but quite a distance from the main city centre.
 
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*** NEW TRIP REPORT ***

With the weather set fair, I took the opportunity to get out and about. In contrast to most of my recent trips, I was trying to stay away from former coal mining areas but like a moth to the light, I was soon attracted. That said, it was South Wales so who am I kidding! Hope you enjoy the read (and roll with the opinions).

I began the day in the market town of Brecon. Obviously at the heart of the Beacons, or Bannau Brycheiniog as we call them now, Brecon is a super cute market town. It has a castle and a cathedral and is home to the Royal Welsh Regiment of Zulu fame. I had chance to walk around and enjoy this town before grabbing a coffee and wandering towards the Bus Interchange. Built probably about 15-20 years ago, this is a few bus stops plus a small toilet block. Interestingly, it has a welfare room for Stagecoach drivers; they used to maintain an outstation near Brecon and whilst the vehicles now work from Merthyr, it seems the rest breaks and workings are still based on Brecon. One thing I did notice there, and in the town centre, was the old signage of bus stops for services long gone. The 64 to Llandovery must have gone in 2015?

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Brecon overlooking the river

My first bus was the Stagecoach X43 to Abergavenny, with the X prefix as it avoids the village of Talybont. A lady driver arrived with an Optare Solo SR bang on time, sold me a Network Rider (£9.50 for all operators from the English border to Bridgend and Brecon) and off we went. Well, we fairly motored along the A40 but I didn’t feel unduly concerned. She was an excellent driver. We had about 3 passengers from Brecon passing the fantastic Beacons scenery. After climbing up to Bwlch, we descended to Tretower and past the listed AA box and continued to glean passengers so that by the time we reached Abergavenny, we had about 15 on. I could’ve bailed at the hospital to catch my next bus but instead continued into Abergavenny so I had nearly an hour to explore, get a bacon sandwich etc. Abergavenny is an affluent town in the more verdant part of the Beacons; it has a Waitrose. It also had a Palestinian protest on the high street by a group of Corbynista-types, which I hadn’t expected. Aber bus depot was next to the bus station; vacated a long time ago, it was only recently demolished in favour of posh pensioner flats. The bus station has a snack bar popular with bikers, a toilet block but four stands yet one shelter so if it’s raining, you have to run. No such issues in the slightly hazy sunshine.

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My Solo approaching Brecon interchange

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Politics in Aber - it's also a pretty market town

My next bus was the 78 to Brynmawr, though the service actually runs through to Pontypridd. This is one service that has a tortuous recent past. It was the X4 that used to run hourly to Cardiff via Brynmawr, Tredegar and Pontypridd, with some even starting in Hereford. A local bus to Merthyr, it would belt down the valley to the capital. It’s now it’s been dismembered, still running hourly (but finishing earlier) from Aber but tagged onto the old 78 at Merthyr before trundling slowly down to Pontypridd via Aberfan. It still had the X4 e300 Scanias to take me out of Aber, around the hospital and then laboriously looping around Govilon and Gilwern on the new road network and then clambered up to Brynmawr. The bus stops all still show X4 on the flags though Stagecoach do a good job with bus stop publicity. We arrived into the small bus station in Brynmawr; another one on the long list of small basic bus stations that are scattered over South Wales. I had 40 mins to kill so went for an explore in the town before a wander past the Stagecoach depot. This was reduced to outstation status in 2014 and the rear yard hasn’t been used in many years. Up for sale for a few years, I’m amazed it survives at all. I wandered back to Brynmawr bus station and waiting for my next bus. I’d been looking to do the next route since a recommendation from @RELL6L and on time, a slightly tired looking e200 of Phil Anslow arrived to do the 31 to Blaenavon. I was looking forward to this but began to have misgivings after we left the town centre and BANG! We hit a pothole and the whole bus shook as if it had no suspension. That was repeated several times as we ascended the climb. Now, the scenery is bleak and unyielding and spectacular as you make your way from the Ebbw Fach to Afon Lwyd valley. Just as you relaxed, BANG! and the e200 would shake and pitch violently. Everything rattled despite the amount of gaffa tape on stanchions etc. We dropped down into the world heritage site of Blaenavon, past the Ironworks entrance and then an out and back run to the Big Pit – if you’re going to fail in avoiding collieries, go Big! We arrived into Blaenavon proper following my next bus.

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Borrowed time - Brynmawr depot

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The Big Pit

The X24 was laying over and was one of the main Stagecoach successes in Wales. It was every 10 mins (?) but is now every 15. It was Stagecoach Gold and had new e300s (albeit ADL ones not Scania) and it still has them. They’re looking a bit careworn now after 8 or so years, and they now wear standard livery whilst some journeys are clearly operated by any old vehicle. The service has competition from Phil Anslow’s 24X which I did see but carrying very few passengers. We climbed out of Blaenavon and past the Anslow depot at Varteg, just near the odd bus terminus where buses seldom terminate. I think it once had a drivers welfare room and was called a bus station! We called in but then continued down through Pontypool and had a nearly full load which was good for Saturday mid afternoon into Cwmbran. On entering the town, we stopped for a driver change at the new Stagecoach depot, next door to the old one that has now been demolished and a new Lidl is going up instead on this prime site. I expect Brynmawr will suffer the same fate! Losing vital minutes, I knew I’d not catch the X3 to Cardiff by arriving early, and we didn’t as I saw it disappear as we arrived on time. Instead, I stayed on and then saw something rare. A new Stagecoach Wales bus… in fact, three of them as Cwmbran got a batch of Optare Solo SRs. They look ok and aside from the TrawsCymru fleet, I think they must be the first new vehicles since 2017/8. I continued onto Newport, with the X24 providing a very fast link in only about 15 mins.

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Newport bus station - country half

For the uninitiated, Newport has one bus station but it’s really two. The nicer half is for local bus passengers and is dominated by Newport Transport. The investment in new electric vehicles is impressive though I think the marketing/livery is a bit amateurish. I arrived in, and was leaving from, the other half. What can I say… I felt uneasy waiting there on a sunny Saturday. There was a flock of pigeons attracted by grain deposited by some well meaning soul/idiot. There was a group of resident alcoholics who were busy shouting at a former friend whilst a PCSO stood impassively nearby. The facilities quite open to the elements and it feels disconnected from the town and the other bus station… The architect responsible has created something appalling and the lack of care from the council is noticeable. I was glad when my bus arrived. The X30 is a proper city to city express and is run by Newport Transport. No electric bus though but a very nice 2020 e400mmc that took us smoothly to Cardiff via the M4.
I’d not stopped since Brynmawr and was feeling a bit parched so headed off to a nearby Greggs, got a bottle and then headed back to Greyfriars Road but taking some time to grab a few photos. I do love Cardiff but needed to get the next T4 north for a particular reason. It duly arrived and we left with a near full load on our MCV bodied B8RLE. The driver was a real character (might have been a driver mentor working a rest day?) and we headed up the Taff Valley and past the new TfW Metro train depot at Taffs Well (of which more later). That got us into Merthyr in less than an hour with a short stop in Pontypridd. The T4/14 now go every 30 mins when the old X4 was every 15. I could’ve got the T4 30 mins later but that arrives into Merthyr and (as I observed) the passengers are then trapped on board whilst it sits for 20 minutes in Merthyr bus station. I didn’t want to trapped in the heat so got the earlier one and sampled the delights of late Saturday afternoon in Merthyr.

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Merthyr shopping centre - the view to the old bus station now being redeveloped

The old bus station was the worst in the UK and the new one is a massive improvement. It has two retail/café units but both are waiting for tenants. It also closes at 1830 so there’s a complex sign of where your bus goes from on Sundays or evenings. My last bus was another B8RLE and we had another healthy load for the early evening run to Brecon. Last time I’d done this was on a Tempo but I have to say these B8RLEs are good machines. The hazy weather then gave way to bright sunshine as we crested the summit up to Storey Arms, collecting more walkers, and then dropped down through the stunning views across the Beacons towards Brecon. Really, everyone should do that journey in their lifetime – it’s a stunner. We arrived bang on time into Brecon as two other TrawsCymru services interchanged. I wandered back through the town to my car.

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Beacons Reservoir from the T4 as we approached Storey Arms

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The view from Storey Arms towards Brecon

Thoughts…. I mainly travelled on Stagecoach vehicles and I find them to be fairly competent in South Wales but clearly they are suffering from the lack of funding for services since the mid 2010s. In fact, funding is a major issue in Welsh buses. There’s money for TrawsCymru (of a fashion) and lots for the new trains. Don’t get me wrong – I’m pleased that they are spending money on public transport. However, we often hear about places with no Sunday buses. I was surprised (but shouldn’t be) that bus services in Merthyr stop early. Whereas the old X4 had an evening service (and I assume so did a few other routes), the last bus goes at 2045 except on Sundays when its 2111. There’s a new bus station there but not much commitment after it was built. Other areas seem to have a paucity of services, and you wonder if it’s an overall lack of commitment (and funding) from the local authorities. With fragmented unitary authorities, perhaps it does need a central body (TfW?) to organise things though you still need to have appropriate funding. Furthermore, I can say that Stagecoach have lost their way in South Wales to an extent; doesn’t feel that there’s any innovation or investment though maybe it’s down to finances. I’ve said it before but the fleet is rather middle aged and whilst the Gold concept was rolled out in 2015-7, it seems that anything more than basic operation is not on their mind. Perhaps I’m being harsh but it feels that many former core routes are but a shadow of their former selves. Lastly, one such service was the old X4 from Merthyr to Cardiff. I was surprised to see the loadings that it enjoyed. Still, I wonder if SW Metro will see the end of fast bus services from Merthyr? If so, then perhaps we could see some resources redeployed and improve bus services there and elsewhere. Perhaps the 78 could be a stronger East West link? Who knows? Anyhow, if you’ve got this far, hope you enjoyed the ride with me. And yes, get the T4 from Merthyr to Brecon, and yes, get the 31 to Blaenavon but take earphones and a cushion!
 
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Well, first of all, you're a brave man for posting any photos. I'd not be doing that for fear of my "line manager" being distinctly miffed with me. At least she perked up via the restorative power of cake. ;)

As for the report, well the photos are great and the write up even better. It sounds like @mk1979 really have done a superb job on this and I hope I'll have chance to sample it. It sounds very much like the comprehensive job with great marketing and a strong operational commitment from both staff and management alike. The Peak District is an area that I've visited a few times and yet don't feel I know it so perhaps I should make a real effort to experience this. In terms of the feel of things, it is slightly reminiscent of the Exmoor Coaster (though First are doing some rather regrettable changes to that) with the marketing courtesy of Best Impressions. On a wider point, it is really heartening to hear of the staff's own commitment to this; something that we tend to forget is that there are a number of drivers, fitters and managers who are enthusiasts. They may not be ticking off numbers whilst sipping from a tartan thermos but they've chosen this industry and are committed to it.

Of course, you've stolen my thunder @M803UYA as I too have been out and about in a National Park (but not that one) though after your travelogue, I don't think it will compare!
I think I may have permission to post the photos - I haven't been told I can't do so and the write up's been supervised. If I go permanently quiet after this you know I didn't and she is most unhappy :D Exmoor was the last open top trip I did back last summer so it's possible to make a number of comparisons.

The scenery on both is excellent, but Peak has the edge as it's using Scania N230s (not N270s as I assumed) which just about manage the terrain. First operate former London Enviro 400s on Exmoor and they can't cope with the run - overrevving up Porlock and Countisbury and too keen to change down the gearbox. The bus we took to Ilfracombe was snatch changing up Porlock Hill at the very top, from 1st to 2nd and almost stopping. The reverse applies when going back up the box too - the Enviro 400s tend to find themselves in very low gears as drivers use the brakes to slow down so you can hear the engine having to work hard on the journey. The two ex Lothian Scanias by comparison just barreled along. If some more Volvo B9TLs could be located for Exmoor, that'd resolve the problem as eventually the Enviro 400s will fail.

We will be going back to do that one this summer too, though we'll probably opt for Lynmouth and no further!
 

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Great reports here from @M803UYA, @ChrisC and @TheGrandWazoo, thank you all. I have immediately added the Peak Sightseer to be "to do" list, especially beyond Castleton as this section looks fabulous. I might even persuade the other half onto this one day. I hope it lasts a few year though as a trip is not likely to be immediate. Very envious of touring the area north of Aberdeen. Very many years ago I took the coast bus (now the 35) from Aberdeen to Elgin and then something else on to Inverness at the end of a long day Inverness > Perth > Dundee > Aberdeen > Elgin > Inverness. I was so tired by the end of this that I don't remember much. I'd love to do these bits again along with Ballater & Braemar, Peterhead and Fraserburgh, I've never been to some of these places, it would be great to take a week doing it too. My appetite is duly whetted!

As for the former coal mining areas of South Wales (my emphasis), I have been to all these places and done all these routes (or their predecessors, eg the X4). I did recommend the Brynmawr to Blaenavon section of route, I didn't specify the vehicle! I hope the scenery lived up to expectations. The route between Merthyr and Brecon is special and Brecon is a lovely place to start & finish. Abergavenny certainly seems like it is coming up in the world and I liked Blaenavon but some of the other places are not so attractive - good trip though.

I don't really know the detail differences between bus types but having taken the Exmoor Coaster in the days of Quantock with their open top Scania, they seemed ideally suited for the route and I was surprised to see E400s now operating it as they just don't seem to have quite the same stability and give the same confidence. I've done this three times but still on the "to do" list!

Thanks for the reports - keep them coming!
 

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I've realised that I am leaving Leeds in the next few months and haven't really sampled the scenic buses that Yorkshire has to offer. So in somewhat of a rush, I've put together a set of trips taking in some of the more scenic routes in the county.

Trip 1: Leeds to Church Fenton via Ripon, Thirsk, and Northallerton

I start bright and early on a gloriously sunny day in Headingley. The 91 is the remnant of what used to be a more comprehensive provision of orbital routes in Leeds. It makes journeys a damned sight faster than going via the city centre, but only if you’re within walking distance of a stop. A daytime frequency of every 30 mins, hourly in the evenings and Sundays means that trying to connect from other buses is generally a futile exercise. My vehicle today is one of First’s new Kite Electroliners. These rather pleasantly specced vehicles form a significant part of First’s Bramley fleet and are part of the 91’s allocation although Eclipse Urbans are often to be found in the evenings. A nice spirited run by Leeds standards, but positively docile compared to how electrics are often driven in London! From the faded shine of Headingley, past hen parties already on the lash, by the back roads to the more genteel Chapel Allerton. Lots of coffee shops which was just as well, as I had a 45-minute wait to ensure I made my next bus: a product of the infrequent timetable on the 91. In the event, I could’ve got the next one and just made it, but 20-minute delays are not unheard of and it’d torpedo my plans for the whole day.

My next route is a route known to many. Considered perhaps the UK’s premier bus route, the 36 runs every 10 minutes between Leeds and Harrogate, then every 30 minutes onto Ripon. This particular board seems to be a target for cancellations, but luckily Bustimes showed the inbound working to be running, although two of the Harrogate shorts per hour were cancelled (at least this has been broadcast at all and in good time unlike with Arriva and First). What’s more, my steed was showing to be one of the 36’s premium spec deckers with the bold branding that even appears on WY Metro stops. Some vehicles on the route are older Eclipses and the main allocation with their 2+1 high-back leather seats, copious glazing and mini library are also looking a little tired now. I understand however that new electrics are on the way.

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Left: The view from the 36 just outside of Leeds. Right: the top deck of the 36's premium vehicles.

As our decent engine sped us out of Leeds, the twirlies in the suburbs were replaced by the surprisingly frequent stops in the middle of the countryside. Lovely views of the countryside all around, best viewed from front seat which actually had a decent amount of legroom compared to most deckers. 10-15 of us on throughout, but given we were contra peak it was hardly surprising. Past Harewood House proudly advertising the Hovels, an exclusive events venue. Into the lovely Harrogate, which has a rather swanky Spoons. It’s noticeable that the Connexions drivers kept giving way to us on roundabouts which I thought was a nice touch.

Harrogate bus station had a good staff presence and the town’s buses seem very popular; very good as provinces go and a smart fleet to boot. We were on a different stand as a van was blocking the booked stand working on the EV charger for the local services, but staff were proactive at redirecting people. A 14-minute wait for time, announced in a very customer-focused way on the screens, PA and destination display - much more informative than the interminable waits common on First and Arriva. Some churn at Harrogate accompanied by torrential rain, but a good few continuing to Ripon. This was followed by a pleasant turn off the road for a meander through peaceful Ripley then a charge up the main road, only interfered with by oblivious elderly drivers and an abnormal load being escorted by Plod.

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The quiet but pretty Ripley

A lady was changing in Ripon for Fountains Abbey. It enjoys three services a day, but only on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays! She had to content herself with a day in Ripon instead. Ripon is a lovely place to spend a day, and plenty were waiting for the 36 to Harrogate and Leeds plus a few pass holders for the Dales and District and North Yorkshire Council minibuses. A nice relaxed 40-minute wait here, so a dive into the nearby Spoons for breakfast. Not the liveliest pub known to man, again with mainly retired people, but decent service and a decent price.

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Ripon Cathedral

Whilst I waited for my 70 to Northallerton, I watched comings and goings at the bus station. Ripon has always been a border town, with United running much of the place but West Yorkshire running most of the boards to Harrogate and Leeds. The 36 to Leeds is under Blazefield, but they recently ceded the 82 to York and 182 to Knaresbrough to Go-Ahead’s East Yorkshire who are empire-building in the North Riding.
Long queue for the 36 at RiponBusy time at the bus station - 82 for York, 70 for Northallerton, RS2 for the town service, and 36 for Harrogate/Leeds.
Left: the 36 is very popular at Ripon Bus Station. Right: four buses at the rather cramped Ripon bus station - the 82 to York, the 70 to Northallerton, the town service, and the 36 to Leeds.

My 70 turned up a couple of minutes late - a brand new smart but spartan dealer spec Enviro 200 MMC. A fair few alighting but mainly pass holders. 9 of us boarded, only four pass holders - surprising! Two on in Dishforth which involved a loop through a farmyard. It’s very much country lanes all round, but very pleasant in the sun. It’s the main route north from the City of Ripon, but car ownership is very high in the large villages along the route, hence the handful of buses per day. If you were looking at creating a strategic North Yorkshire bus network, this is the sort of route you’d bump up to hourly - it would get used. There’s also the 159 up to Leyburn and Richmond, with similar issues. Both are operated by Hodgsons, who used to mainly work the roads north of Northallerton but have come south following the wholesale retreat of Dales and District who are now down to four boards in the Ripon area.

No takers through Carlton Miniott despite lots of new build houses. I suppose the bus service is no good if you actually want a life and employment outside if the village. Over the ECML, picking up a pass holder at Thirsk station. Very busy carpark, not such busy buses! Thirsk is a busier place with a couple of supermarkets and people using the high street. The market place was full of parked cars, of course. All change here, with everyone besides me off and nine passholders on. The main route here is Reliance’s 30 down to York; the rest are a motley collection of occasional shoppers’ buses.
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Left: Thirsk market place, choked with cars. Right: my 70 boarding passengers for the trip back to Ripon.


Not too far at all to Northallerton. News of the death of the high street has not yet reached North Yorkshire yet; the place was bustling, most retail units were occupied, and the market stalls were doing a roaring trade. Big chains and independent were all doing very well - it was like going back 30 years. A bit of time to wander around North Yorkshire’s county town and take in its charms. It’s worth noting that Northallerton reflects North Yorkshire’s attitude to buses in general. The ‘core’ network is five trips a day south to Ripon and six north to Darlington, as well as hourly on the short run to Bedale. Everything else is a motley collection of occasional weekly/once-to-thrice-daily routes by North Yorkshire Council minibuses, Hodgson’s, and the Little White Bus. Very poor indeed. The bus ‘station’, a collection of stands in the market place seemed more than adequate for the traffic on offer despite vocal complaints from some quarters. Better than the depot forecourt of old I’d wager.

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Northallerton Market Place - not quite a bustling interchange... Zoom in for the new Go-Ahead stickers in the Dales and District vehicle on the right.

153 to Thirsk next; the back way operated by NYCC a few times a day. 15 of us this time, but all but one are passholders. NY are a bit retro - cash only, catching several out but they were let on anyway. Off down the country lanes, dropping people off here and there as we head for Thornton le moor. For a minibus, the ride was actually quite smooth despite sitting over the wheel. Smooth radio was blasting out through the journey. A fun and spirited ride throughout, but clearly just for regulars. By Thirsk, 9 of us were still on from Northallerton reflecting the gap in the 70’s service.

15 of us board Reliance’s 30 in the market place, including one fare payer. The smartly turned-out Eclipse 2 was previously a dealer loan vehicle. Some tight turns earlier in the route but the farmland opened up as we headed for York. The passengers become a lot younger from here, but again people are boarding in the main towns only. Easingwold is well-served with a half hourly service to York provided by the Reliance 30/40 service groups. We spend a lot of time crossing over the ECML. I do wonder how long Reliance is going to survive as an independent given the acquisitions of York Pullman by first and Dales and District by Go Ahead - their routes are pretty decent by and large. First sign of York is the bus stops looking presentable. The second is the traffic.

From there, it was drinks in the York Tap on the station, then the train to Church Fenton and curry with certain forumnites…
 
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Nice report @TheGrandWazoo, thanks.

Newport and Merthyr bus stations were both initiated when Sewta still existed, but then delivered by the councils when Sewta was disbanded.

In the case of Merthyr one other key aspect is that it is much closer to the railway station. Should when the Metro timetable comes in there will hopefully be more interchange. At the moment it is actually quicker by bus than by train (well, at least in the off-peak.)

Newport used to have one big bus station, but when the shopping centre was redeveloped it only allowed for a much smaller facility. Hence the Market Square bus station was added to it. FWIW at Sewta meeting it was distinctively pointed out that the proposed design (opaque wall, roof, the whole passenger side) would not get funding was not Sewta funding. But then it was build anyway.

Brynmawr is another Sewta bus station - it used to be hidden at the back of some dilapidated buildings, luckily it was possible to purchase them, pull them down, and have the buses exit right into the town centre.

Sewta - South East Wales Transport Alliance
 

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For today's little trip report, I decided to travel on the Uttoxeter to Cannock 63 on its first day in service.

I arrived at Uttoxeter Bus Station to see which stand to wait at, thankfully Chaserider had already been out and about with their stickers on the stands and putting timetables in the cases. Very good work by Chaserider on this one.
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Approx 14:45 I was treated to smart looking Scania Solar pulled up to stand, SN57 BKL, owned and operated by BusLink (James Boddice new firm since he sold Midland Classic). Driver was well presented and enthusiastic in promoting the new service. Buslink are providing 2 of the 3 vehicles on this service with Chaserider providing the other. Chaseriders selection of tickets are sold and accepted even on the trips operated by Buslink. A nice touch on the ticket too saying about it being Buslink operating on behalf of Chaserider.
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We pulled off Uttoxeter Bus Station on time, with me and 2 others. Not long after leaving Uttoxeter you are in the Staffordshire countryside. As you'd expect from a heavyweight Wright vehicle, it performed flawlessly. We had a short break in Abbots Bromley as we were slightly early, we dropped off 1 passenger and carried on. Nothing of note until Hansacre where we drop off the other passenger and wait a couple of minutes for the scheduled departure time.

Congestion getting into Rugeley meant while we would have been a few minutes early arriving, we instead got in spot on time. I bailed at Rugeley Bus station as I had done the route down to Cannock before and it's rather uneventful. Rugeley Bus Station is a rather typical Staffordshire Bus Station. Extremely run down with bare minimum facilities. Often, as is the case in Rugeley, surrounded by the empty retail units or shop service yards, rather than having the bus stations near the areas which people want to go.
Thankfully Staffordshire Council has invested in a live departure board (and it is actually live, not just scheduled times). This flicks between bus departures and adverts (I presume this helps to pay for the upkeep of the departure screen)
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All in all, top marks for the promotion at stops and top marks for getting Buslink in to operate 2 of the 3 vehicles on this service, their vehicles are really nice and certainly the type of vehicles needed for the service (in terms of high speed running through the countryside). The timetable was slightly slack however if the bus was to be a Chaserider vehicle (generally Solos for this style of service), I trust it would take longer and be a lot less pleasant.

it was quiet but to be expected on the first day, I just hope that word gets around about the service.
 

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Did a trip on the Megabus M20 from Finchley road to Edinburgh bus station last Tuesday on one of the brand new Volvo double deckers
I was really rather impressed and providing they stand the test of time and don't develop too many squeaks or rattles or faults then. These are a true improvement, USB and USBC charging ports and even enough room in the toilet for a fat git like me, which was a definite improvement as the facility on the panorama just didn't accommodate my proportions if I'm honest
Soundproofing on the ground floor was really rather good as well with not too much road or engine noise once cruising
Also seems like a decent amount of luggage space and drivers seem generally pleased with them. Service was half an hour late at Finchley road and lost another 40 minutes between there and Edinburgh due to various factors and as a result the service didn't make it all the way to Glasgow that night but that was of no concern to me as I was getting off in Edinburgh
 

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Just catching up on posts after my trip away. Always enjoying reading reports of others - sometimes as they're familiar to me or conversely, it opens up a whole new range of potential trips to places I'd never considered. So in no particular order...

I did enjoy hearing of @markymark2000 visiting Staffordshire. I've recounted in the past about the county having some of the most "traditional" bus stations and Rugeley definitely fits the bill. You could put a couple of Midland Red Nationals in there and it would look like 1985 (and the same is almost true for Lichfield). TBH, I'm amazed that the whole area hasn't been slated for redevelopment. The new route is interesting and especially with the relationship between Chaserider and BusLink - something to watch there. I was always impressed with Midland Classic and it was sad they sold up. Quality operation IMHO. The new service to Uttoxeter is an interesting one and I've always said (I used to live locally) that the area was a bit of a hidden gem in that mid Staffs area.

Thanks to @Christian Schm for the background on SEWTA and the bus stations. I know the rationale and history on Newport - I was more railing again the really poor design of half of it. In fact, it would make more sense for the longer distance services to be on the "debenhams" half rather than the other side where there is limited cover for those with potentially longer waits for a bus. Brynmawr was strange as I did remember it being different but in the same spot. A few stands about 90 degrees to their current location? TBH, it really doesn't need a bus station but then again, South Wales is home to the pathetic bus station :s

I really appreciated @WAB report as it is another area I know very, very well. I've shared some vintage reports from the late 1980s and early 1990s in which Ripon and Thirsk have featured prominently. Unfortunately, the area is affluent and sparsely populated, and North Yorkshire (County) Council has never been enthusiastic in supporting bus services. Since 2010, the decline has been shocking and I'm pleased you managed to fashion a good day out nonetheless.

Looking forward to more reports....and I have one new one myself that will be topical and of interest (I hope) to @RELL6L and others ;)
 
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@TheGrandWazoo - The problem with the 'Debenham'-half at Newport is that it has quite narrow bays. So you have to be very careful which route goes where, and mixing different operators would be asking for trouble. So, as it is the bigger half, and Newport Transport is the biggest operator, they got that half.

And yes Brynmawr had 4 stands at 90-degrees to what they are now, with both access and exit from/to the roundabout. The problem was the one stand that wasn't a narrow island was very difficult to access, and in fact full-sized buses had to use the two stands furthest out.
 

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@TheGrandWazoo - The problem with the 'Debenham'-half at Newport is that it has quite narrow bays. So you have to be very careful which route goes where, and mixing different operators would be asking for trouble. So, as it is the bigger half, and Newport Transport is the biggest operator, they got that half.

And yes Brynmawr had 4 stands at 90-degrees to what they are now, with both access and exit from/to the roundabout. The problem was the one stand that wasn't a narrow island was very difficult to access, and in fact full-sized buses had to use the two stands furthest out.
I'm not certain why mixing operators would be an issue? Most large bus stations have a mix of operators. Surely if that half has narrow bays, it again highlights the issues with the bus station design. To be honest, it's not great.

In respect of Brynmawr, I'm a bit surprised that they bothered. I know that some frequencies have dropped but the number of departures is very low. A couple of roadside stops would've been sufficient IMO
 

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I always seem to leave my trips to the last possible day, and keeping with that theme yesterday I had a run on the final day of 257c service over Snake Pass.

Looking at timetables, this proved trickier to arrange than it should be, considering I live 20 miles and 40 minutes drive from Castleton, and closer still to Sheffield. I could of course have got to Sheffield fairly easily and either done and out and back, or killed some time in Castleton and got the next bus, but neither option was that appealing. Over 4 hours on a bus with no chance for a break, or 2.5 hours in a tourist trap with little to do unless you want to browse souvenir shops didn't appeal.

Therefore, I came up with a plan to get to Sheffield for the first bus out then head back via Buxton in a sort of loop. No photos I'm afraid to illustrate this trip report, I'm not that keen on pointing a camera at someone doing their job and shots out of the window rarely come out that well, especially under the circumstances.

A short walk to Chatsworth Road where I picked up the 170 in to town. A Derbyshire Bus Wayfarer for £8 was my ticket of choice. Hulleys 6315 arrived bearing the new Yellow and Blue livery - I'm no more a fan in real life than in the photos I've seen online, but it got me where I needed to be and the driver was well turned out and very polite. Upon arriving in Chesterfield I had some time to kill before my X17 to Sheffield, and for some unknown but as it turned out fortuitous reason I scrapped my original plan and decided to go the opposite way around the loop.

An X17 was due imminently, so I jumped on that as far as Cromford. Definitely the most comfortable seats of the day, but I bet the drivers can't wait for the EVs to arrive as we dropped to nearly 10mph up Slack Hill, and weren't much faster on the bank up to the Peak Edge Hotel.

The trip to Cromford was unnecessary - I could have picked up the Transpeak in Matlock, but it seemed better to be travelling than standing around waiting. I believe this is the first time I've travelled on a Mercedes bus, at least in this country, and I was quite impressed. Much less rattly than an E200, but my backside was starting to feel the lack of padding in the seat by the time I got off at Buxton. Plenty of time spent waiting on this run and despite leaving Derby 5 late he was on time by Cromford - I suspect the timetable is padded to keep the same times throughout the day and earlier buses benefit from a lot of slack.

A straight swap at Buxton to a 199 and that familiar E200 rattle, although being an MMC it wasn't quite as bad as it could have been. Here was the first sign my change of plan was fortuitous, as roadworks coming out of Buxton delayed us a fair bit, but traffic in was much worse and I suspect 199s later in the day would have been very badly held up. We'd made up much of the time by Chapel-en-le-Frith, where a quick pop in to Morrisons for the toilet, coffee and a cheese roll was very welcome.

I'd been tracking the 257s and was slightly disappointed that I'd chosen the 'wrong' one, and would be getting an Evora rather than the E400. Turns out I was actually lucky again! I could have waited in Chapel but decided I might as well have a run up and down Winnats. Evora 12 turned up and on boarding I was surprised just how full it was. Barely a pair of seats free which is good news. Some spirited driving made up the few minutes we were down by Sparrowpit, but traffic on Winnats pass and the fact no cars would stop to let him navigate the sharp bend in Castleton meant we were slightly late arriving.

A quick turn-around and we were on the way again. A handful had come all the way from Sheffield and were doing the round trip, and we picked up a few more through Castleton. Negotiating Winnats traffic again put us 5 down by Sparrowpit. The young driver was extracting the most from the Evora with some amazingly precise positioning, but it wasn't enough to prevent us being slightly late in to Glossop, where again we picked up quite a few passengers. A couple who had earlier boarded at New Mills were interested to learn there was a direct bus to Sheffield and were planning on using it again in the school holidays - unfortunately I had to mention today was the last day, although the new routing wouldn't be much slower.

We picked up and dropped off a few over Snake which to me shows there is some demand, and I'm surprised the plug was pulled right before the peak season where walkers would be going out, but maybe that would also be the peak season for heavier traffic meaning it would be even harder to keep time. As it was we were 10 late entering Snake and barely managed to recover any by the time we got to Sheffield. A possibly faulty set of lights didn't help - possibly not set up properly to detect waiting traffic meaning several minutes stuck on red for us.

While you lose mobile signal once on Snake, I'd been keeping an eye on the progress of the other bus. It was delayed on the trip from Castleton and despite 35 minutes break allowed in Sheffield had left 5 late and was getting later. I'd almost wondered where a swap would be possible at Fairholmes and I'd get a second chance to do Snake, but the delay we had at the lights put paid to that idea. However, I kept expecting to see 16 but she never hove in to view. Reading elsewhere it sounds like she had to be taken out of service at Fairholmes and was replaced by another bus, but too late to do the Snake so it went direct to Castleton to avoid delaying the next departure.

So, I'd made it to Sheffield, avoided the bus and broke down and the route that would have been affected by roadworks and delays. At that point I could have just jumped on an X17 back to Chesterfield, but the services out West on a Sunday tie in badly so I'd have a long wait - so long it would have been faster to walk back home. A quick check of the timetables on bustimes showed I could jump on a 218 and meet the 170 at Baslow, indeed I could carry on to Chatsworth and change there.

And that is where the luck ran out - well, sort of! I'd been confused by seeing 218s running through Sheffield at times bustimes said there shouldn't be, and indeed the stop showed them running every 30 minutes, not every hour as it said online. What I missed is that the bus I'd got on didn't go to Chatsworth, contrary to what bustimes said. I was in two minds about going there anyway - the 06 plate Omnidekka was struggling up the hills - but we were only slightly down at Baslow so I decided to chance my arm. My heart sank when it turned right towards 13 bends, and with no stops on that section I was unable to hop off and head back to Baslow.

Coming down towards Baslow we'd passed an old GM bus, and there was a Unibus in Bakewell with a destination mentioning a Bus Rally. I'd not seen anything about this online, but a quick google showed it was at Chatsworth, so I hopped back on the 218 to take a quick look. Wish I'd known about it earlier, but the only way I could have got there in time to take advantage would have been to have done Snake earlier. You really do seem to need to be an active member of the bus community to hear about these things - if I'd not happened to be out and see an old bus I wouldn't have known about it, the same as I only learned about the Peak Rail operating day the previous weekend via photos on the Hulleys facebook group after the fact.

Still, a nice end to the day and even when things go wrong they can go right. The same 170 picked me up to end the day and I got home 8.5 hours after leaving, having spent much of that time sat on buses. Nice scenery, friendly drivers, no significant delays or problems. All in all a good day. A shame the Snake Pass will no longer be served, but I think it would need funding and better promotion of the service to allow the resources needed to deal with the potential delays and disruption to be put in place.

Which leads me to one last observation - timetable cases. I'd actually surprised the service had as many passengers as it did, as not one timetable case of flag I saw mentioned it. Indeed, it was only mentioned at Glossop via small sign telling people what stand to use for that service. It wasn't that the cases weren't updated - the High Peak services had full colour full size posters, but whoever is updating them is only doing High Peak services and not other operators. It's a similar story at Matlock where Transpeak gets a full advert, but the 110/111 isn't mentioned at all. Very poor form by Derbyshire County Council in promoting bus usage. We did pass a lot of people in Chapel and Whaley Bridge, and while they may have been wanting to go further down the A6 than we went, I do wonder if they simply didn't know what the 257 was and where it went.
 

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A nice writeup, Teapot42. Re. the variable publicity from councils, and poor in this case from DCC, you can't beat having an enthusiast in charge who actually wants to promote services and make information available to like-minded people. Too often, it seems to be someone who, unkindly but realistically, could be called a time-server.
 

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A nice writeup, Teapot42. Re. the variable publicity from councils, and poor in this case from DCC, you can't beat having an enthusiast in charge who actually wants to promote services and make information available to like-minded people. Too often, it seems to be someone who, unkindly but realistically, could be called a time-server.
The worrying thing is someone from Hulleys was telling me they'd been fined by the council for putting their own information up at bus stops. Surely it should be whoever failed to get the info up that should be getting the fine, not the company operating the service.
 

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Time for another trip report, and for this jaunt I was making full use of my weekly Stagecoach South West Megarider Gold ticket (£40).

To start the day I had Enviro400/Scania 15887 (WA13 GDF) on the 09.15 346 from Tiverton to South Molton. This route featured in my previous trip report, but then as the final leg. This time I was lucky to get a decker for the first occasion since the route was split off from the 155. The passenger numbers hardly seemed to justify it, but it was great to relive some happy memories from the top front seat on what was an an uneventful trip, except plenty of cyclists were making the most of the fine morning!

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15887 in Tiverton

On arrival in South Molton the driver from the 346 would then take over my next bus, the 10.12 155 to Barnstaple (sister Scania 15884/WA13 GCY). Although most of the trips swap drivers in this manner, there doesn't seem to be enough time allowed for it, especially on a busy day, which Saturday morning always seems to be on the 155 - this was very different from the council tendered 346, and only a handful of double seats were left on departure. We left 12 minutes late in the end, but the bus we passed in Landkey was a lot quieter, very much going against the flow. The driver clearly didn't want to run late and made up some time, so when I alighted at Barnstaple river bank we were six minutes down and I headed straight for the Water Gate Wetherspoons for a breakfast muffin and some coffee.

Whilst planning my next move, I noticed that there was a an open top Enviro400 (19106/MX07 HMF) out on ‘short’ 21As between Barnstaple and Appledore, so I decided to wait around until it returned. This bus is one of three that were converted in 2021 for the 21C to Croyde Bay, but the route has been scaled back this year, which seems to be a common theme across SSW with the 222 cancelled, and the 122 severely truncated, supposedly due to the ongoing extensive roadworks in Torquay. The 95 is still a half hourly summer timetable, but the Exeter feeders have been dropped and the route changed to remove some of the enjoyable section along Exmouth seafront. Back to the day I was in North Devon, and there was a closed top bus on the 21C anyway! Either way that wouldn't have fitted well with my later plans so it was a bonus to ride 19106 through to Appledore then straight back out, but only as far as Bideford. The weather started to close in as we headed west, with some low cloud and drizzle around the coast.

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Appledore

After a short wait in Bideford, my next chariot arrived in the shape of Enviro200 37139/YY14 WGV on the 85 that had left Barnstaple at 14.15, and was only lightly loaded. This route was subject to a significant revision last year, having previously run between Barnstaple and Holsworthy, it was extended to Tavistock, doubling the running time. The rest of the passengers alighted at Holsworthy, along with the driver - the Barnstaple drivers always swap here with their Tavistock-based colleagues, then head straight back. About 10 minutes is allowed for the swap, and this felt much more relaxed than in South Molton with the drivers having time for a chat and to use the toilet before taking over their vehicles. Two passengers joined, buying child singles to Lamerton. Although this is a Devon County Council tendered route, it does venture across the border into Cornwall to serve Launceston, where we picked up one passenger on the outskirts of the town, who would travel all the way to Tavistock.

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When we eventually got to Tavistock, the weather really had taken a turn for the worse, with the rain jumping off the pavements, so I was rather glad to have a sub 5-minute wait before the appearance of Enviro400 MMC 10462/SN65 NZV to operate the 16.50 1 service to Plymouth. I took a front upstairs seat, and fortunately most of the windows were already open to keep the worst of the condensation away. These MMCs are the most common vehicles on the 1, with support from the 26-series E200s. We had another uneventful journey, with a reasonable load but not particularly busy for what can be a very popular route. I left at North Road East then walked down to Royal Parade for my next service.

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I was awaiting the 18.10 GOLD service to Paignton (although I would be alighting beforehand) and I'd worked out from bustimes that the bus operated a 2A service from Saltash on its previous trip, which arrived on time then parked up on the layover bays at Derrys Cross where it remained until exactly 18.10, so clearly we would be leaving a little late, as a healthy sized congregation had formed at the stop, and it's noticeable that boarding times can be longer with the £2 fare scheme, as very few passengers hold return or day/week tickets. The main problem is contactless transactions not working, which can really slow things down although this should improve when Stagecoach eventually get new ticket machines, although whether the scheme will still be around by then is a matter of debate which has already been discussed at length on other threads! Anyway, this driver wasn't the most interactive with the passengers, but they certainly knew how to drive swiftly but also smoothly, and we ended up waiting time in Ivybridge, South Brent and Dartington, also by now the weather had improved again, so we were briefly travelling though some glorious South Devon sunshine before I left the bus in Totnes.

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After a half-hour wait, I boarded another Enviro400/Scania, this time it was 15787/WA61 KLM (one of the old Hop12 buses) on the 19.40 7 service, which had just arrived from Dartmouth as a 92 - currently almost all of these services are interworked, which is a massive improvement from previous poor connections, but be warned that Enviro200s are frequently used on the service. With a decker this is one of my favourite routes, and this was an excellent run through Newton Abbot and up the A380, where we had to drop a well loaded festival goer to one of the awkward layby stops, right next to his campsite. After he alighted I was the only passenger, which wasn't surprising as this was one of the two trips which finish at Matford P&R instead of running through to Exeter city centre. The purpose of these trips seems to be to help facilitate bus swaps at Newton Abbot outstation, but this doesn't happen every night, which makes them look a bit pointless in my view as the bus then has to run dead back to Newton.

Until the timetable change in April there were no connections to the city centre from Matford at this time of the evening, and the only option was a walk to the A or 2 route, but there is now a late service on the B, and it should only be a short wait for the 20.38, although on this occasion it was a little late on the inbound trips and the driver then parked it straight in the refuel line! (For those who are unaware, Matford depot is right next to the P&R, and the car park is also used to park buses overnight). The relief driver waited until a controller came out to tell him what had happened, so we left a few minutes late on Enviro200 36236/WA11 BYC with two other ‘regular’ passengers, and three drivers heading to town to continue their duty.

There was a surprise to be had on my final trip of the day, with Enviro400 MMC/Scania N250UD 15323 (YN67 YKG) on the 21.30 55 service to Tiverton. These newer Scanias are still mostly confined to Torbay, but three were permanently transferred north for the Taunton P&R work after Stagecoach took this over in March, and a standard livery example has sometimes been kept as a spare at Tiverton outstation. The previous Saturday had been Exeter Pride and also the last game of the season for the Exeter Chiefs rugby team, and an Enviro200 had ended up on the late 55 duty, causing chaos, leaving over 20 people behind on this trip. This led me to make a rare complaint and I did receive a personalised reply, and an acknowledgement that it should have been a decker, although there was an irony in the fact that a single decker probably would have been sufficient on this occasion, albeit a little cosy.

All in all, a very interesting grand tour of my home county, and I would thoroughly recommend it to anyone who enjoys riding a variety of different services.
 

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