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Trivia: Historically longer bus routes

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I think you're probably right (again!). Looking again at timetables, the 133 took 2 hours to complete its trip. I thought the Sunday No 9 (Mortlake to Becontree) would be longer, but the journey time is only 1h 45mins. Not very scientific I know, but provides a guide.
It makes up for all the times I'm wrong! I did that whole 133 journey once, and it was turgidly slow, particularly the Moorgate to Hendon section, with virtually no traffic on the road. A classic case of joining two or three weekday routes for almost purely scheduling reasons, which you could do if you had a bus garage in the right position to work it efficiently.

Another route worth mentioning, though I had little personal experience of it except at the London Bridge end, was the 18 Edgware Station to London Bridge Station, though I don't believe you could ever make a through journey, after the 1950s anyway. One garage (X, then Middle Row, North Kensington) worked the entire routeing and a duty could see a crew working the entire length of it, but in sections.
 
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There was the 239/X39 from Sheffield to Huddersfield via Penistone, it was gradually cut back to now be a 29 mainly running from Chapeltown to Penistone with peak only extension’s to Sheffield centre & a couple of journeys to Holmfirth.
Sheffield to Huddersfield to Halifax on many journeys.
 

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The Transdev Witchway (X43) used to run as far as Grassington in 2016 and ran to Skipton Pre-COVID.
 

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The Transdev Witchway (X43) used to run as far as Grassington in 2016 and ran to Skipton Pre-COVID.
(Grassington Sundays only - it was replaced by the 72 running daily when Transdev took over the 72 (previously Mon-Sat only) and replaced the 66A, a extension of today's 66 Keighley - Skipton route.
 

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Stagecoach South West 6 used to run to Exeter, currently runs to Okehampton with the vehicle continuing as 6A to Exeter but the 6 technically ends in Okehampton.
 

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The Atlantic Coaster used to go from St Ives to Padstow when it was first introduced. It now runs just Newquay to Padstow
 

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In the same era, there was a two-hourly 32 between Wigan and Manchester, which was timed with the 39 to provide an hourly service on the Atherton - Tyldesley - Manchester common part of the route. The vehicle arriving into Manchester (Greengate) on a 32 then departed as a 39, and vice versa.

In GM Buses & First days the 32 was improved to become half-hourly on the full route between Wigan and Manchester and was part of the Express (= Limited stop) network. Then it went into decline - the 32 was cut back to Wigan-Ellenbrook after the Leigh Busway opened, then was axed completely.

Anyone who has ever endured a slow, tedious end-to-end bus ride along the narrow, winding and always-congested roads of Hindley, Atherton and Tyldesley would understand why any sensible person travelling between Wigan & Manchester takes the train.


Similarly there are now no direct buses between Wigan and central Manchester. You need to change buses in Leigh or Atherton / Tyldesley for the Leigh Guided Busway, or take your chances with jams on the M60 and go via the Trafford Centre.

The other former bus route between Manchester and Wigan was the ex-LUT 38, which ran half-hourly via the A6 to either Westhoughton, Hindley or all the way through to Wigan. The 38 was steadily pared back post-deregulation. At one stage it was just a couple of peak-hour trips between Daisy Hill and Manchester - I'm not sure if the 38 disappeared completely for a time.

Today, the Bee Network 38 follows the majority of the old LUT/GMT route along the A6, terminating at Logistics North industrial estate at Little Hulton.
There was an even slower Wigan - Atherton - Eccles - Manchester route, the 33 for a fair while after deregulation, and what was most unusual at the time was that it was a joint operation between Wigan and Atherton depots, and was the first occasion a bus based at Wigan depot could be seen in Manchester City Centre in Normal service.

The current 38 route is not the same 38 as the one operated in the past, that was operated by Lancashire United, GMPTE, GM Buses and First Manchester, the route was discontinued for a fair while and was re started by Stagecoach Manchester who's Managing Director had been a former Manager at Atherton depot in the days of GMPTE/GM Buses, this was restarted to compete with First Manchester's 36 and 37, hence why it didn't continue to Westhoughton or Hindley as had originally been the case, the new version initially terminated at Little Hulton/Farnworth before terminating at Logistics North instead.

The 32 and 34 services would also interwork before the 32 service was transfered to Wigan and the 34 withdrawn in the day times and restricted to peak hour operation only by First Manchester.

Another way to travel between Manchester and Wigan by bus is to take the 132 and switch to an X50, 100 or 250 at the Trafford Centre or the Metrolink.

That then reminds me of another long distance route for a time which was the 22 which ran from Bolton to Stockport via Swinton, Eccles, Stretford and Chorlton and later via the Trafford Centre before the route was split, this route took something like 4 hours from end to end before the split at the Trafford Centre into Bolton - Trafford Centre and Stockport Trafford Centre.
 

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That then reminds me of another long distance route for a time which was the 22 which ran from Bolton to Stockport via Swinton, Eccles, Stretford and Chorlton and later via the Trafford Centre before the route was split, this route took something like 4 hours from end to end before the split at the Trafford Centre into Bolton - Trafford Centre and Stockport Trafford Centre.
I recall route 22 as a joint service operated by Manchester Corporation and the North West Road Car Company, originally using single-deck buses, running from Eccles to Levenshulme via Urmston, Chorlton-cum-Hardy and Mauldeth Road.

More information is available at https://www.flickr.com/photos/gmts/53415253392/ which is an image of a poster entitled "Levenshulme - Chorlton - Eccles - Services 22 and 22x" explaining the part-change to double-deck operation in 1965. The accompanying explanatory text states:

The beginnings of the joint 22 service are a little complicated, but in essence Manchester Corporation and the North Western Road Car Company combined two of their services in 1929 to create an inter-suburban service between Levenshulme and Eccles. In 1930 it was numbered 22 and settled down to provide an important link between Levenshulme, Chorlton, Trafford Park, Patricroft and Eccles. ......
 
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I recall route 22 as a joint service operated by Manchester Corporation and the North West Road Car Company, running from Eccles to Levenshulme via Urmston, Chorlton-cum-Hardy and Mauldeth Road.

I cant remember this, wasn't around until the mid 1970's
 

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20 St Helens - Earlestown used to extend to Prescot via Thatto Heath, Rainhill & Whiston Hospital, back then it was numbered 14. Arriva cut the route & renumbered it to 20 (to fit in with 320) in 2000.

X6 Leeds - Bradford used to be Leeds - Huddersfield via Bradford, & Brighouse. Due to reliability issues, First split the route up at Bradford a few years ago.

2 Blackburn - Chorley used to extended via Chorley & Standish to Wigan & has had a few different numbers over the years including 123, 124, 239, 249

60 Keighley - Leeds used to be 760 & extended to Wetherby. The Leeds - Weatherby section is now the 7, formerly 770, 771.

62 Bradford - Keighley, used to be 662, 664, 665 & extended to Oakworth, Haworth & Oxenhope.

110 Wakefield - Leeds used to extend to Kettlethorpe & Hall Green
 
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The North Riding 80 used to run as far as Easingwold via Linton-On-Ouse and Raskelf when it was operated by Stephensons 29.

DalesBus 822 used to run to Hawes, now cut back to Grassington.

For a time, Go Cornwall Bus ran 95 from Bude down as far as Truro, and then later Newquay. I believe it has been cut back to Wadebridge.
 

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Leeds tram 1 used to run up Otley Rd to Lawnswood Cemetary. It was replaced by bus route 1 which ran throjgh to Beeston. When they built Holt Park the 1 was extended there. 1970's I think.
Now the 1 is truncated to the ring road, and a new 8 does bus station - Holt Park.

Trams to Morley ended in the 1920's. When trams ended there was bus 8 Cottingley - Meanwood, and 52 -53 Morley - Meanwood. By 2020 there was a 51 and 52 Moortown - Morley. They have chopped them so now its 51-52 Leeds Centre - Morley and 38 -39 Leeds Centre - Moortown.
 

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2 Chester - Ellesmere Port & Runcorn, this route was Chester - Birkenhead Woodside via Ellesmere Port, was then extended to Liverpool, & was a joint service with Arriva under the quality bus partnership, Arriva withdrew their share of the 2 in 2016. In 2019 Stagecoach made changes to the network in Ellesmere Port, cut most journeys on the 2 Chester - Ellesmere Port, with an hourly extension to Runcorn
 

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20 St Helens - Earlestown used to extend to Prescot via Thatto Heath, Rainhill & Whiston Hospital, back then it was numbered 14. Arriva cut the route & renumbered it to 20 (to fit in with 320) in 2000.

X6 Leeds - Bradford used to be Leeds - Huddersfield via Bradford, & Brighouse. Due to reliability issues, First split the route up at Bradford a few years ago.

2 Blackburn - Chorley used to extended via Chorley & Standish to Wigan & has had a few different numbers over the years including 123, 124, 239, 249

60 Keighley - Leeds used to be 760 & extended to Wetherby. The Leeds - Weatherby section is now the 7, formerly 770, 771.

62 Bradford - Keighley, used to be 662, 664, 665 & extended to Oakworth, Haworth & Oxenhope.

110 Wakefield - Leeds used to extend to Kettlethorpe & Hall Green
You might want to read the thread so far - several of those have already been mentioned (with more details). Bradford to Keighley is the 662, not the 62 (though the Keighley 62 has been mentioned)
 

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Service X62 (Borders Buses). Edinburgh-Peebles-Galashiels. For many years it extended to Melrose and during the First era, in 2002-03, to Kelso. However, the route planners at Larbert overlooked one thing - a number of duties were run by deckers and Kelso bus station/depot could only take singles. Needless to say a decker did attempt to get into Kelso bus station, with the inevitable results, shortly before the Kelso extension finished. A good idea on paper, not so in practice.
 
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I cant remember this, wasn't around until the mid 1970's
It became the 262 under SELNEC / Greater Manchester Transport. Replaced by the Bolton-Stockport 22 at deregulation, but later reinstated as a peak time "extras" service which lasted until the late 1990s.
 

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Transpeak used to run Nottingham-Derby-Matlock-Bakewell-Buxton-Manchester. It was cut back to Derby, then withdrawn from Manchester to Buxton alongside the Northern timetable uplift in 2018. Today it runs Bakewell-Buxton with some journeys to Derby
this was originally the jointly operated Trent & NorthWestern Road Car Co service X2, ran beyond Manchester, I believe to Blackpool, went from Nottingham (originally Huntington Street) via Eastwood, Heanor, Ripley to Ambergate
 

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I recall route 22 as a joint service operated by Manchester Corporation and the North West Road Car Company, originally using single-deck buses, running from Eccles to Levenshulme via Urmston, Chorlton-cum-Hardy and Mauldeth Road.

More information is available at https://www.flickr.com/photos/gmts/53415253392/ which is an image of a poster entitled "Levenshulme - Chorlton - Eccles - Services 22 and 22x" explaining the part-change to double-deck operation in 1965. The accompanying explanatory text states:

Here's one from the timetable world site, from the 1967 North Western Road Car timetable book, which shows the 22, 22X times

 

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When I rode the 29A going to a church in Coalville on Sundays, I remember the 29/A was split at Coalville, with onward journeys continuing to Burton running as the 9/9A/9E.

The 126 used to run every half-hour from Coalville to Leicester via Loughborough during the daytime, but sometime during the mid-2010s the daytime services of the 126 were axed, being replaced by the service 16 which formerly ran from Coalville to Thringstone but was extended to Loughborough. Last month, the evening services of the 126 were also given the chop, being replaced by extra services on the 16 and 127 (Leicester - Loughborough - Shepshed), while the one morning 126 running towards Leicester only was renumbered as a 127.
Evidently, there was a coach service run by Midland Fox under their Foxhound brand called the X99, running between Birmingham and Nottingham via Tamworth, Ashby-de-la-Zouch and Loughborough. This by the 2000s morphed into the service 99 running between Coalville and Nottingham only, and eventually Arriva pulled the plug on their only regular bus service in Nottingham. This far happened before I can remember.

The section between Loughborough and Nottingham was taken over by Kinchbus as their service 9, but Nottingham-based Premiere ran a competing service, the X9 or Red 9, which terminated on Ashby Road in Loughborough, near the bottom end of the university campus. Kinchbus backed down, but hastily reinstated service between Loughborough town centre and Nottingham when Premiere suddenly went under in 2013.

The X9 wasn't the only example of an Interurban service terminating in a random place in the suburbs rather than in Loughborough town centre. Loughborough's own Paul S. Winson Coaches ran the service X27 between Loughborough and Rothley; at a time, it terminated at Thorpe Hill, presumably for school services; likewise, Centrebus's service 8 was similarly extended to Thorpe Hill at one point for school runs, but the plug seems to have been pulled on that, come 2020.

Lastly, Kinchbus's decades-old service 2 from Loughborough to Leicester via Quorn, Barrow-upon-Soar, Sileby and Cossington was truncated to Sileby in 2022, leaving the larger villages on the eastern side of the Soar Valley with public transport provision that I can only describe as pathetic, with absolutely no public transport provision on Sundays immediately afterwards. Nowadays that area is served by a rather non-cohesive network of bus services including only a handful of through journeys from Loughborough to Leicester run by Vectare as the 2X, only two buses every approximately eighty minutes to Loughborough during weekday daytimes (Kinchbus's service 2 running every 80 minutes and Centrebus's pre-existing service 27 which is similarly infrequent and less direct) and a bus service from Barrow to Leicester which in its present form is an odd appendage of Centrebus's service 22A between Birstall and Evington.
I remember the 99- I used to catch it from Coalville every morning to work in Nottingham. This was 2007- I left that job in autumn 2008 and got a job in Coalville which was much closer to home. I seem to recall the bus still ran when I left there but I don’t think it lasted too much longer after that.

With regards to the 29/A, I think some services indeed did run as the 9, but others ran as the 29.
 

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437 West Kirby - Liverpool has had many changes over the years, & was much longer. I remember it at deregulation when it was 37 New Brighton - West Kirby - Woodside & took 1 hour 40 minutes end to end.
 
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