Trivia - journey which requires the most changes

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Barton on Humber - Grimsby Town
Grimsby Town - Lincoln Central
Lincoln Central - Nottingham
Nottingham - Cardiff Central
Cardiff Central - Cardiff Queen Street
Cardiff Queen Street - Cardiff Bay

Or Barton - Grimsby Town - Lincoln Central - Nottingham - Birmingham New Street - Smethwick Galton Bridge - Stourbridge Junction - Stourbridge Town

Barton to Cardiff Central can be done with changes at just Grimsby and Manchester Piccadilly.
 
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Barton on Humber - Grimsby Town
Grimsby Town - Lincoln Central
Lincoln Central - Nottingham
Nottingham - Cardiff Central
Cardiff Central - Cardiff Queen Street
Cardiff Queen Street - Cardiff Bay

Or Barton - Grimsby Town - Lincoln Central - Nottingham - Birmingham New Street - Smethwick Galton Bridge - Stourbridge Junction - Stourbridge Town

Barton to Cardiff Central can be done with changes at just Grimsby and Manchester Piccadilly.
There seem - surprisingly - to be no through trains from Cardiff to northern England (Manchester or Sheffield). But Grimsby - Birmingham can be done with one change, another will get you to Cardiff C. And Grimsby to Stourbridge Jn with 2 - at Manchester and Leamington Spa
 

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There seem - surprisingly - to be no through trains from Cardiff to northern England (Manchester or Sheffield). But Grimsby - Birmingham can be done with one change, another will get you to Cardiff C. And Grimsby to Stourbridge Jn with 2 - at Manchester and Leamington Spa

Of course, I forgot, XC Covid timetable has removed the Cardiff-Manchester trains, and indeed the Bristol-Manchester ones
 

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I wonder if a journey starting from Aintree could produce a journey with a lot of changes, on the basis that Aintree is 2 changes away from Lime Street (Central & James Street) or 3 from Manchester Piccadilly (Central, Hunts Cross & Warrington Central.)

It's only one change to Lime Street (changing at Moorfields) or to Manchester it's 2 changes without the change at Warrington Central (there's an EMR train to Norwich from Hunts Cross/Liverpool South Parkway). If you want to try heading to Ryde St John's Road...

Aintree - Liverpool Central
Liverpool Central - Liverpool South Parkway
Liverpool South Parkway - Stockport
Stockport - Southampton Central
Southampton Central - Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour - Ryde Pier Head
Ryde Pier Head - Ryde St John's Road

There's another six change one. Did we ever actually manage to find a seven change route? (The counting in this thread is confusing!)
 

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It's only one change to Lime Street (changing at Moorfields) or to Manchester it's 2 changes without the change at Warrington Central (there's an EMR train to Norwich from Hunts Cross/Liverpool South Parkway). If you want to try heading to Ryde St John's Road...

I forgot the fast trains now call at South Parkway. I was counting Hunts Cross as a change to the stopper and Warrington Central as a change to the express.
 

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It's only one change to Lime Street (changing at Moorfields) or to Manchester it's 2 changes without the change at Warrington Central (there's an EMR train to Norwich from Hunts Cross/Liverpool South Parkway). If you want to try heading to Ryde St John's Road...

Aintree - Liverpool Central
Liverpool Central - Liverpool South Parkway
Liverpool South Parkway - Stockport
Stockport - Southampton Central
Southampton Central - Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour - Ryde Pier Head
Ryde Pier Head - Ryde St John's Road

Nope, that is only five changes as it can be done:

Aintree - Liverpool Central
Liverpool Central - Chester
Chester - Cardiff
Cardiff - Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour - Ryde Pier Head
Ryde Pier Head - Ryde St John's Road
 
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I think I have a seven? Although the fastest route is a nine.
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Train
11:58Wick [WCK]
Inverness [INV]
16:16
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18:52Inverness [INV]
Edinburgh [EDB]
22:28
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05:48Edinburgh [EDB]
London Kings Cross [KGX]
10:40
Tube
10:50London Kings Cross [KGX]
London Waterloo [WAT]
11:18
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11:45London Waterloo [WAT]
Portsmouth & Southsea [PMS]
13:44
Bus
14:12Portsmouth & Southsea [PMS]
Southsea Hoverport [SHV]
14:20
Ferry
14:30Southsea Hoverport [SHV]
Ryde Hoverport [XRD]
14:40
Walk
14:45Ryde Hoverport [XRD]
Ryde Esplanade [RYD]
 

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I think I have a seven? Although the fastest route is a nine.

Problem there is that the journey requires less changes if you just go to Portsmouth Harbour and use the ferry. Also Inverness to Euston can be done direct on the sleeper, so the journey would actually be:

Wick - Inverness
Inverness - Euston
Northern Line
Waterloo - Portsmouth Harbour
Portsmouth Harbour - Ryde Pier Head
Ryde Pier Head - Ryde Esplanade
 
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Slight abuse of the rules but the initial post specified "British Station", hence that would imply that Northern Irish Stations are fair game.

Hence, you could rack up a long series of changes from Glasgow Central > Ayr > Cairnryan > Belfast Port > Belfast Victoria Street/Central* > Any NI Destination

The shortest route between an Isle of Wight station and any NI station outside of Belfast could be as many as 9/10 changes.



*There's no obvious route between Belfast Port and the main terminals. This is potentially 2 changes?
 
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Slight abuse of the rules but the initial post specified "British Station", hence that would imply that Northern Irish Stations are fair game.

Hence, you could rack up a long series of changes from Glasgow Central > Ayr > Cairnryan > Belfast Port > Belfast Victoria Street/Central* > Any NI Destination

The shortest route between an Isle of Wight station and any NI station outside of Belfast could be as many as 9/10 changes.



*There's no obvious route between Belfast Port and the main terminals. This is potentially 2 changes?

Not so. Strictly, NI is not "British" - hence "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". NI is part of the UK, but not part of GB.
 

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Not so. Strictly, NI is not "British" - hence "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". NI is part of the UK, but not part of GB.
Many in NI consider themselves British and it is part of the nation popularly known as 'Britain', even if it is not in Great Britain itself.
I didn't mean it to be included, though!
 
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Many in NI consider themselves British and it is part of the nation popularly known as 'Britain', even if it is not in Great Britain itself.
I didn't mean it to be included, though!
Yeah, that's the sense I meant it in. Not a political commentary or necessarily my view, just using the widest possible definition to stretch the rules a bit.
 

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Of course, I forgot, XC Covid timetable has removed the Cardiff-Manchester trains, and indeed the Bristol-Manchester ones
Were there actually XC services on that route? There’s Cardiff-Nottingham and of course Manchester-South Wales via Cardiff, but that’s TfW, and I don’t think Cardiff-Nottingham trains would go via Manchester.
 

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Were there actually XC services on that route? There’s Cardiff-Nottingham and of course Manchester-South Wales via Cardiff, but that’s TfW, and I don’t think Cardiff-Nottingham trains would go via Manchester.

Cardiff to Manchester was once a day IIRC in each direction, via Bristol.
 

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My suggestion is Chippenham to Redditch, changing at Swindon, Gloucester/Cheltenham, Worcester Shrub Hill/Foregate Street, Bromsgrove and Barnt Green. That's 5 changes, at certain peak times a change at Droitwich may be possible as well.
Not including changes, I reckon that's around a 2.5 hour journey, maybe 3.5 hours total?
 

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My suggestion is Chippenham to Redditch, changing at Swindon, Gloucester/Cheltenham, Worcester Shrub Hill/Foregate Street, Bromsgrove and Barnt Green. That's 5 changes, at certain peak times a change at Droitwich may be possible as well.
Not including changes, I reckon that's around a 2.5 hour journey, maybe 3.5 hours total?
Would that be faster than:
Didcot, Oxford, New Street or
Temple Meads, Worcester, Bromsgrove, Barnt Green?
The fare is now routed VIA BRISTOL.
 

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Would that have been faster than the more frequent services via the Marches?

About half an hour longer than the Marches route.
This is the schedule, with the normal Marches route that leaves half an hour later than this getting into Cardiff the same time as the XC route:

 

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About half an hour longer than the Marches route.
This is the schedule, with the normal Marches route that leaves half an hour later than this getting into Cardiff the same time as the XC route:
That does then beg the question why they didn’t just go direct off of Parkway and went via Temple Meads instead. I’d guess that it was an extension of the regular Manchester to Bristol and thus they had to go via Temple Meads.
 

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