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The UK government's "UK Connectivity Review", headed by Sir Peter Hendy, has published its final report:


Hitherto the Scottish and Welsh governments have been very hostile to the way the UK government has gone about this. See for example the letter linked and quoted in my recent post #37 in this thread:


However the report now advocates working with the devolved governments where Johnson seemed to prefer bullying them.
 
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Note the recommendation to rethink the HS2 Golborne link by extending it to ‘south of Preston’.
 

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Worse than the Integrated Rail Plan, in that it makes no specific recommendations beyond further study of the options for connectivity improvements.
None of it is funded, and the funding is/will be contested by the devolved administrations.
Improvements to the HS2 connections at Crewe (to North Wales) and Golborne (to Scotland) are extremely vague and don't address the likely business cases.
It's a list of areas for further study, not a plan in any meaningful sense.

Peter Hendy evidently got a warmer reception in Dublin than in Edinburgh and Cardiff.
Though I think the Welsh position is manageable, as there is much common interest in the solutions.
 

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Note the recommendation to rethink the HS2 Golborne link by extending it to ‘south of Preston’.

Yeah it seems really wooly, it suggests that could save 3 minutes when they have to save more than 50 minutes off the Scotland journey times to reach the sub 3 hour target, cant see how it would ever be value for money and the original HS2 sifting came to that conclusion after considering it and estimating it would cost £2bn to extend from Wigan to south of Preston, thats £666m per minute of time saving from the original HS2 estimates that ended up being 46% too low on average.

The majority of schemes the Union Connectivity report recommends are road schemes in Scotland to which the SNP has already replied butt out of our country, we decide what roads we want to build here.
 
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Worse than the Integrated Rail Plan, in that it makes no specific recommendations beyond further study of the options for connectivity improvements.
None of it is funded, and the funding is/will be contested by the devolved administrations.
Improvements to the HS2 connections at Crewe (to North Wales) and Golborne (to Scotland) are extremely vague and don't address the likely business cases.
It's a list of areas for further study, not a plan in any meaningful sense.

Peter Hendy evidently got a warmer reception in Dublin than in Edinburgh and Cardiff.
Though I think the Welsh position is manageable, as there is much common interest in the solutions.
It is pretty woolly, but then it's a high-level review, and was never intended to be a plan. It identifies areas for further detailed study, which is fair enough. The bigger issue is whether the UK government intends to really push forward with the recommended study areas and actual build something, or just stick it on the shelf and ignore it.

Yeah it seems really wooly, it suggests that could save 3 minutes when they have to save more than 50 minutes off the Scotland journey times to reach the sub 3 hour target, cant see how it would ever be value for money and the original HS2 sifting came to that conclusion after considering it and estimating it would cost £2bn to extend from Wigan to south of Preston, thats £666m per minute of time saving from the original HS2 estimates that ended up being 46% too low on average.
Extending the HS2 link further north would be more about relieving capacity than time savings. You would have to compare the additional cost against the cost of upgrading the existing network to achieve the equivalent improvement.
 
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Note the recommendation to rethink the HS2 Golborne link by extending it to ‘south of Preston’.
Indeed. That would be a hard sell in Wigan, given that it would become a lot faster to travel to Warrington or Preston whilst journeys to Wigan would, at best, likely take the same time as now (depending on exact service patterns).
 

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Coming hot on the heels of last week's northern one, the Union Connectivity Review final report has finally been published.

It's available here - https://assets.publishing.service.g...27/union-connectivity-review-final-report.pdf

What does it say? Not much of substance really. It's a lot of look at this, work together on that and review the other.

Here's the government's own summary.
  • Scotland: proposals include reducing rail journey times and increasing capacity on the West Coast Main Line, and conducting an assessment of the East Coast road and rail corridor
  • Northern Ireland: upgrading the key A75 link to improve freight and passenger connectivity
  • Wales: improvements on the A55, M53 and M56, the South Wales Corridor, improvements to the North Wales Coast Main Line and rail links to the Midlands from Cardiff
The recommendations published today also include that the UK government should:
  • design and implement UKNET – a strategic transport network for the whole of the UK, and commit to providing additional funding to improve the network, in particular, the parts that are not performing well
  • plan improvements to the network using multimodal corridors, which should be reviewed regularly and appraised on a wider economic basis in order to support government objectives such as levelling up and net zero
  • support the development of sustainable aviation fuel plants in parts of the United Kingdom that are particularly reliant on aviation for domestic connectivity
 

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Concerning bridge or tunnel, see the separate document
This can be summarised as it is, just about, technically feasible to build a fixed link (at about £335bn for a bridge and about £209bn for a rail-only tunnel). The report does not address economic viability. It concludes:

"The study has considered the technical feasibility of constructing a fixed crossing across the Irish Sea or North Channel via a tunnel, bridge or combination solution, identifying the most viable solutions using current construction technology. The study has also considered the land connections on both sides of the sea to ensure that a connection is technically feasible to either the strategic road or rail network or both. It has concluded that, it is technically feasible to construct, maintain and operate a fixed link crossing between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The team has identified potential solutions and options to the provision of the fixed link and its associated connections to the wider strategic transport network. The study provides an indicative range of costs and timescales for construction, including high-level estimations of the carbon footprint during construction. However, the economic viability of the provision of such a link is not within the scope of this study."

The report also goes into some detail about earlier proposals, none of which have been furthered.

So, no, it won't happen.
 

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Cable car in on the agenda now
Goodness me! That would be quite exciting in today's storm o_O


Perhaps a little more seriously, the comments made about improving the A75 are interesting. It seems to be acknowledged that whilst the road is in Scotland that the benefits would accrue to NI and England. It seems as if the costs could be met by Westminster not Scotland. That's at least a bit different from what's come before. I for one would be happy to see this road upgraded - whilst some it is much improved over the last 10 years, some parts are still awful.

In contrast, any upgrade of the A77 which would only benefit Scotland <--> NI trade and travel is firmly pushed back to the Scottish Government.

Mr Toad
 

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The UK government's "UK Connectivity Review", headed by Sir Peter Hendy, has published its final report:


Hitherto the Scottish and Welsh governments have been very hostile to the way the UK government has gone about this. See for example the letter linked and quoted in my recent post #37 in this thread:


However the report now advocates working with the devolved governments where Johnson seemed to prefer bullying them.
Just to show how much the devolved governments (referred to as 'administrations' by UK ministers) are respected, they weren't even given copies of the report in advance. Details were leaked to the media in advance last night instead, to embarrass the devolved govts when approached by the media for their thoughts, which they couldn't give.

Peter Hendy evidently got a warmer reception in Dublin than in Edinburgh and Cardiff.
Though I think the Welsh position is manageable, as there is much common interest in the solutions.
The report suggests "speedily implementing" the Welsh Govt's Burns commission recommendations in full for improving public transport and massive upgrades to the rail network around Newport and in south east Wales to relieve congestion, rather than building the M4 relied road, which Welsh Govt rejected over 2 years ago. I bet Johnson & Shapps hated that recommendation.

Shapps told Radio Wales this morning: "We know we need to resolve the problems of the south Wales corridor… how we do it is a matter for discussion."

We've just had COP26 emphasising the threat to the planet from climate change. We've just had a report, commissioned by Johnson & Shapps themselves, that recommends implementing comprehensive public transport plans and major improvements to rail services and more stations in SE Wales to relieve congestion rather than a mega road ploughing through protected, environmentally sensitive wetlands, yet Shapps still can't outright commit to it.

This report is nothing more than more 'muscular unionism' from Johnson's govt and the vast majority of it will no doubt be scrapped by Sunak's Treasury anyway.
 
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Would be fascinating if these reviews and plans had to be open about the cost to produce these. Easily several million pounds of tax payers money to produce this document!
 

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Shapps told Radio Wales this morning: "We know we need to resolve the problems of the south Wales corridor… how we do it is a matter for discussion."

South Wales Mainline infrastructure is not devolved and the responsibility of the UK Government. Presumably they'll be paying for it all!?!? Thought not.

Your point of the Treasury is right. I imagine very little to nothing will come from this report.
 

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This can be summarised as it is, just about, technically feasible to build a fixed link (at about £335bn for a bridge and about £209bn for a rail-only tunnel). The report does not address economic viability.
Those costs seem inordinately high, considering that the 34-mile Hong Kong-Macau bridge/tunnel* cost (according to Wikipedia) 127 billion Yuan (~£15 billion), including a 10 billion Yuan cost overrun.

I agree that it won't happen though!

*Comparable distance to Stranraer-Larne
 

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Those costs seem inordinately high, considering that the 34-mile Hong Kong-Macau bridge/tunnel* cost (according to Wikipedia) 127 billion Yuan (~£15 billion), including a 10 billion Yuan cost overrun.

I agree that it won't happen though!

*Comparable distance to Stranraer-Larne
They are high because they include the supporting infrastructure needed to get to and from the bridge and are not built by a dictatorship which can do what it wants in relation to the environment and worker safety. Nineteen people died building the Hong-Kong Macau bridge/tunnel while wages are around a quarter of those in the UK.
 

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They are high because they include the supporting infrastructure needed to get to and from the bridge and are not built by a dictatorship which can do what it wants in relation to the environment and worker safety. Nineteen people died building the Hong-Kong Macau bridge/tunnel while wages are around a quarter of those in the UK.
Of course, the costs aren't directly comparable for a number of reasons, including those you mention, but I still think that 20x more expensive is rather excessive.
 

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It's a wishy washy aspirational report, very generalistic with little detail - especially for rail. It will doubtless be forgotten about - other than being referenced in any DfT reports published in the next 5-10 years. Having been created in October and last modified yesterday it should also have been updated before being published (my emphasis):

'The UK Government’s forthcoming Integrated Rail Plan will also be considering potential improvements to the ECML; although this will have a focus on north-south connectivity, it will not include crossborder connectivity'

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It will be interesting to see how these integrate with the IRP...
 

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Extending the HS2 link further north would be more about relieving capacity than time savings. You would have to compare the additional cost against the cost of upgrading the existing network to achieve the equivalent improvement.
Indeed presumably by-passing the two track section between Wigan NW and the former Standish Jnc. However it still won't solve the big capacity and speed constraints on the WCML north of Preston: Shap and Beattock. HS2 trains will still have to mix it with freight trains.
 

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Another all talk no walk document- yawn. Sorry to be cynical.
Would be fascinating if these reviews and plans had to be open about the cost to produce these. Easily several million pounds of tax payers money to produce this document!
Agreed. A year to say 'something must be done'- and another year yet to get round to setting up another talking shop.
80 pages of few words; indeed many with no words but an 'interesting' and barely related photo (was that the Knaresborough- Northern Ireland link?) and some big 'figures' in the sense of Fig."6 rather than '£456M'!
Did someone get paid for putting this together; and of course the separate document required to kill the Vanity Fixed Link.
 

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Worse than the Integrated Rail Plan, in that it makes no specific recommendations beyond further study of the options for connectivity improvements.
None of it is funded, and the funding is/will be contested by the devolved administrations.
Improvements to the HS2 connections at Crewe (to North Wales) and Golborne (to Scotland) are extremely vague and don't address the likely business cases.
It's a list of areas for further study, not a plan in any meaningful sense.
In my cynical view, this provides the perfect excuse for the Treasury to insist that the Golborne link is left out of the HS2 Phase 2b Hybrid Bill, pending the outcome of a multi-year study. Which will eventually conclude (yet again) that it would not be value for money to extend it to Preston.
 

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It's a wishy washy aspirational report, very generalistic with little detail - especially for rail. It will doubtless be forgotten about - other than being referenced in any DfT reports published in the next 5-10 years. Having been created in October and last modified yesterday it should also have been updated before being published (my emphasis):

'The UK Government’s forthcoming Integrated Rail Plan will also be considering potential improvements to the ECML; although this will have a focus on north-south connectivity, it will not include crossborder connectivity'

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It will be interesting to see how these integrate with the IRP...

It's wise than that, in that it takes about reducing Air Passenger Duty for those routes which aren't viable by road/rail. However all APD was reduced in the budget and nothing was said about that.

The wording should have been asking the lines of "many stakeholders raised the issue of APD, especially those flights between NI and the other nations. Since this consultation APD had been reduced for all regional flights, which although would bring benefits to those flying isn't inline with what we would have recommended which was to only reduce it for selected routes where road/rail options aren't viable."
 

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Welsh government would probably pay into the pot for more electrification in South wales and possibly a new section of straight track
 

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Farringdon Jct area I would assume? Will need to upgrade the bridges across the Ribble 200m south of the station.
Farington?
Indeed presumably by-passing the two track section between Wigan NW and the former Standish Jnc. However it still won't solve the big capacity and speed constraints on the WCML north of Preston: Shap and Beattock. HS2 trains will still have to mix it with freight trains.
One of the very early HS2 reports talked about continuing the route northwards from where it veered westwards to join the WCML at Golborne. The route was east of Wigan, then crossing the WCML at Coppull to go west of Preston with a Parkway somewhere in that area. Bypassing Preston made little sense for connectivity, but if a modest northward extension from Golborne is needed then there is some merit in going as far as Coppull. This is on the former four-track part of the WCML, which I believe would be fairly easy to reinstate with HS2 linking to the eastern fast lines, and is straight enough to allow 110mph or more as far as about the Ribble crossing. There are six tracks here so I doubt any new crossing would be needed, though the existing bridges look old and may be in poor condition, especially the western one that doesn't get used much. Something would need to be done with Euxton Junction.

There are also some options to bypass the slower sections of the WCML further north, with the existing tracks kept for freight and slower/stopping passenger trains. If they are long enough for "clean" overtaking (slower train doesn't have to slow down) this would give a boost to capacity and freight speeds (by avoiding looping) as well as accelerating the fastest passenger trains. But it would no doubt be extremely expensive.
 

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How much (if any) work has been done on a pure HSR/LGV route from the end of Phase 2b to Glasgow/Edinburgh? Do we even have a ballpark route and costs?
 

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How much (if any) work has been done on a pure HSR/LGV route from the end of Phase 2b to Glasgow/Edinburgh? Do we even have a ballpark route and costs?

Very little. I did some myself 15 years ago, simply to demonstrate an economic case. The costs were, ahem, a fraction optimistic. But it did lead to what became HS2.
 

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Having read the report, it's conclusions seem sound, although I'm disappointed they didn't suggest an intermodal terminal at Stranraer with a rail link to Dumfries as well as improving the A75.
Agreed. A year to say 'something must be done'- and another year yet to get round to setting up another talking shop.
80 pages of few words; indeed many with no words but an 'interesting' and barely related photo (was that the Knaresborough- Northern Ireland link?) and some big 'figures' in the sense of Fig."6 rather than '£456M'!
Did someone get paid for putting this together; and of course the separate document required to kill the Vanity Fixed Link.
I think that's unfair.

It's expressly called a "review" - not a Union Connectivity Plan.

And as for the Vanity Fixed Link, again it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a UK government should consider and look at such a link. Having been told for two years by the usual naysayers that it isn't physically possible, we now have confirmation that it is indeed possible and the cost and timeframe involved. We'd never have anything if before something can even be looked into, we need everyone on all political sides to agree in advance it's worth doing. We'd have no Channel Tunnel, no HS1 let alone HS2. In fact with that attitude I suspect most railways would long since have been closed down and converted to cycle tracks or single carriageway distributor roads by now.

However the report now advocates working with the devolved governments where Johnson seemed to prefer bullying them.
As I said in the other thread, on what planet do you think the elected government of a country wouldn't have an interest in strategic transport networks for that country? It's not "bullying" nor "working with" - it's doing the job of governing the country.

In fact, I don't know of any. If someone can correct me if I'm wrong, please do.

The nearest situation to one in which roads are wholly the domain of a subsidiary government is in Australia and the US. But those nations are legally federal governments, where the sovereignty lies purely with the local entity (i.e. the state), and some of that sovereignty is shared to the central level (a bottom-up system). And even there, the Federal governments make use of funding powers to ensure they have the final say on major highways (i.e. do what we want or we'll cut your money off). And none of the states in either of those countries has a nationalist or nationalist leaning government, so there isn't much conflict anyway.

In Canada, federal highways are a joint responsibility between the central government and the provincial governments (even though it is a bottom-up system, albeit not as strict as in other Federal states).

In Germany, federal highways are a federal responsibility, period. The states (Lander) only have responsibility over their own roads.

But even if that wasn't the case, the UK is not a federal country. It is not a bottom-up system, it's a top-down system, whereby the central body (Westminster) gives authorisation to devolved governments to act in their own right, based on the power and authority of the Westminster. They can change it whenever they want to. It would be politically difficult to do so, but legally the Scotland Act 1998 can be overridden simply by passing a new act. (Contrast that with the USA, for example, whereby Congress couldn't legally pass a "California (Repeal and Merger with Arizona) Act")

If we take the "how dare the UK government poke its nose into Scotland's or Wales' affairs" line to its logical conclusion, we should let Hampshire County Council close the Portsmouth main line if it's elected representatives want it, due to noise pollution concerns, or let Eden District Council in Cumbria dig up the M6 as it isn't relevant to their area.
 
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