Wellglade Group

[38291018]

Then I remembered Versa 820 was parked in the same spot in A garage last time I was there.

Assume that's just helping langley mill with maintenance however apparently 813 and 816 versas are sat at back of langley mill according to bustimes because of euro 6 so im assuming langley mill is retrofitting euro 6 parts to the engines for sheffield unless any other wellglade subsidy is taking them

 

[Trainman40083]

Assume that's just helping langley mill with maintenance however apparently 813 and 816 versas are sat at back of langley mill according to bustimes because of euro 6 so im assuming langley mill is retrofitting euro 6 parts to the engines for sheffield unless any other wellglade subsidy is taking them

Probably to replace older Solos at Trentbarton.

 

[38291018]

Probably to replace older Solos at Trentbarton.

That's interesting as along with 8 volvos which will become spare from keyworth and current x38 making 10 buses currently with the 2 versas which I assume the other will join making 13, they can replace (bus per bus) every solo/solo sr (except 2 braded rushcliffe villager, 2 branded harlequin, 2 new red livery solos) which I'm sure TM (which are complient if any) and notts derby would hoover up

 

[Trainman40083]

That's interesting as along with 8 volvos which will become spare from keyworth and current x38 making 10 buses currently with the 2 versas which I assume the other will join making 13, they can replace (bus per bus) every solo/solo sr (except 2 braded rushcliffe villager, 2 branded harlequin, 2 new red livery solos) which I'm sure TM (which are complient if any) and notts derby would hoover up

Best get rid of Solos 491/492, although they have been working hard on the Sixes this week. I heard Optare Versa 823 has gone for painting into Notts and Derby livery. Maybe they want more.

 

[Teapot42]

Assume that's just helping langley mill with maintenance however apparently 813 and 816 versas are sat at back of langley mill according to bustimes because of euro 6 so im assuming langley mill is retrofitting euro 6 parts to the engines for sheffield unless any other wellglade subsidy is taking them

I'm pretty sure Euro 6 retrofits are no longer permitted. There have been a few studies showing they don't work and in some cases can make things worse.

 

[YX73OUB]

Alfreton has so many different operators. Stagecoach, Notts and Derby, Hulleys too. But for the most part, you could say the same about Class Cross. The roundabout at Little Eaton is bad enough in a car, even more so if the vehicle in front of you moves slower than a donkey. You can't even assume traffic will stop on a red light

Agreed but the demand must be there for comet to go in Alfreton Bus Station. We definitely have customers jump on/off the nines and change to comet in Alfreton.

That made me think as well.
How similar is the Volvo B8RLE to the B7RLE?

youd be surprised how different the two Volvo models are.

Regarding the nines there was/is a project going on looking at the service as a whole but things have been really difficult over the last 24 months with prolonged roadworks.

 

[cnjb8]

I'm pretty sure Euro 6 retrofits are no longer permitted. There have been a few studies showing they don't work and in some cases can make things worse.

All the London Solo's that joined TM's fleet were retrofitted to Euro 6 when with CT Plus, so retrofits should be allowed. Besides most of First's and Stagecoach's compliant fleet will also be Euro 6 retrofitted

 

[YX73OUB]

All the London Solo's that joined TM's fleet were retrofitted to Euro 6 when with CT Plus, so retrofits should be allowed. Besides most of First's and Stagecoach's compliant fleet will also be Euro 6 retrofitted

As are 662/3

 

[Trainman40083]

As are 662/3

Down to one non compliant Scania at TM Travel then .674.

 

[m79900]

Regarding the nines there was/is a project going on looking at the service as a whole but things have been really difficult over the last 24 months with prolonged roadworks.

Interesting. Major changes on the way?

 

[psmith2023]

Suprized Trent Barton has tryed a comet style route from Mansfield to derby run it same way as the 9 to alfreton then comet way to derby as can it done with 3 bus like the comet

 

[Trainman40083]

Suprized Trent Barton has tryed a comet style route from Mansfield to derby run it same way as the 9 to alfreton then comet way to derby as can it done with 3 bus like the comet

Is there that much demand?

 

[YX73OUB]

Suprized Trent Barton has tryed a comet style route from Mansfield to derby run it same way as the 9 to alfreton then comet way to derby as can it done with 3 bus like the comet

Like a rapid 9 you mean? It's all well and good until the A38 turns into a car park or something happens on the M1. It's a risky move in uncertain times.

Interesting. Major changes on the way?

Not sure where the project is at the minute but there needs to be time to let things settle following prolonged and several sets of roadworks on the routes causing mayhem over the last two years.

 

[psmith2023]

Do the nine what's via south normanton the same to alfreton then the comet route after alfreton to derby I mean pvr can be saved

 

[Teapot42]

All the London Solo's that joined TM's fleet were retrofitted to Euro 6 when with CT Plus, so retrofits should be allowed. Besides most of First's and Stagecoach's compliant fleet will also be Euro 6 retrofitted

My understanding is that retrofits after September last year are no longer accredited. So ones already done (whether effective or not) still qualify as Euro VI, but no new ones can be done in a way they'll qualify for CAZs.

Bus retrofit performance

Transport Secretary announces a permanent end to further government funding for retrofit and closure of clean vehicle retrofit accreditation scheme.

www.gov.uk

 

[YX73OUB]

Do the nine what's via south normanton the same to alfreton then the comet route after alfreton to derby I mean pvr can be saved

It's been dried before & didn't work.

As the nines has a very heavy demand between Alfreton & Ripley and then towards Kilburn & in the village it would need to stand alone and need a lot of resource to make it viable. Especially in the current climate.

 

[Cesarcollie]

My understanding is that retrofits after September last year are no longer accredited. So ones already done (whether effective or not) still qualify as Euro VI, but no new ones can be done in a way they'll qualify for CAZs.

Bus retrofit performance

Transport Secretary announces a permanent end to further government funding for retrofit and closure of clean vehicle retrofit accreditation scheme.

www.gov.uk

Those already does remain compliant only if they transmit live data on emission levels in a specified format.

 

[Trainman40083]

It's been dried before & didn't work.

As the nines has a very heavy demand between Alfreton & Ripley and then towards Kilburn & in the village it would need to stand alone and need a lot of resource to make it viable. Especially in the current climate.

Effectively lots of passengers travelling short distances, between local places, rather than over longer distance. I can't imagine many people wanting to go Derby to Mansfield.

 

[YX73OUB]

Effectively lots of passengers travelling short distances, between local places, rather than over longer distance. I can't imagine many people wanting to go Derby to Mansfield.

Pretty much, but more than you might think. If not Mansfield then definitely a lot between Mansfield and Sutton for Derby for particular industrial estates especially.

 

[Mugby]

Effectively lots of passengers travelling short distances, between local places, rather than over longer distance. I can't imagine many people wanting to go Derby to Mansfield.

Exactly. Most people from Mansfield or Sutton want to go to the big city i.e. Nottingham. Nobody would want to go to Derby (unless it was for work) it has nothing to offer.
The Nines are very much services of two halves, Derby to Alfreton and Alfreton to Mansfield which is what they were in pre-deregulation days, in fact probably the only reason they were joined together was for operational expediency rather than public demand. Buses from either direction usually empty out and reload at Alfreton, a few workers from the Mansfield end travel to Somercotes/Leabrooks/Ripley but not a large number.

 

[JD2168]

Down to one non compliant Scania at TM Travel then .674.

Don’t forget there are also the Omnidekka’s which I am sure are non-compliant & a number of 09/10 plate Solos which I don’t think are as well

 

[YX73OUB]

Exactly. Most people from Mansfield or Sutton want to go to the big city i.e. Nottingham. Nobody would want to go to Derby (unless it was for work) it has nothing to offer.
The Nines are very much services of two halves, Derby to Alfreton and Alfreton to Mansfield which is what they were in pre-deregulation days, in fact probably the only reason they were joined together was for operational expediency rather than public demand. Buses from either direction usually empty out and reload at Alfreton, a few workers from the Mansfield end travel to Somercotes/Leabrooks/Ripley but not a large number.

Although there are several commuters that work at East Midlands designer outlet & commute from Ripley & Kilburn respectively.

 

[Davidsb3]

Although there are several commuters that work at East Midlands designer outlet & commute from Ripley & Kilburn respectively.

We get some some from Chesterfield, claycross and shirland (who change at alfreton) As they want to get to the outlet after they figure out the 55 dosent go there anymore.
The way the Comet is the main traffic is Alfreton - Chesterfield anything south of Alfreton after swanwick it goes a bit more quiet due to the nines higher freqency.

 

[Np13]

712 has returned to service today, albeit with the older style vinyls as it did before, not the newer style ones as seen on the likes of 740 etc

 

[bringiton]

712 has returned to service today, albeit with the older style vinyls as it did before, not the newer style ones as seen on the likes of 740 etc

Atleast all the panels are the correct colours now

 

[ChrisC]

We get some some from Chesterfield, claycross and shirland (who change at alfreton) As they want to get to the outlet after they figure out the 55 dosent go there anymore.
The way the Comet is the main traffic is Alfreton - Chesterfield anything south of Alfreton after swanwick it goes a bit more quiet due to the nines higher freqency.

A bit off topic but I do wonder how the Stagecoach X1, which was introduced just before the Covid lockdowns would now be doing if it hadn‘t been so quickly withdrawn. For those who have forgotten it ran Chesterfield-Clay Cross-Alfreton-East Midlands Designer Outlet-Nottingham. It ran down the M1 from the Designer Outlet, was slightly quicker than the Pronto between Chesterfield and Nottingham, provided a direct link to the Designer Outlet from both Chesterfield and Nottingham. It was also quicker than Trent Barton from Alfreton to Nottingham and it provided a direct bus from the South Normanton area.

 

[tram21]

A bit off topic but I do wonder how the Stagecoach X1, which was introduced just before the Covid lockdowns would now be doing if it hadn‘t been so quickly withdrawn. For those who have forgotten it ran Chesterfield-Clay Cross-Alfreton-East Midlands Designer Outlet-Nottingham. It ran down the M1 from the Designer Outlet, was slightly quicker than the Pronto between Chesterfield and Nottingham, provided a direct link to the Designer Outlet from both Chesterfield and Nottingham. It was also quicker than Trent Barton from Alfreton to Nottingham and it provided a direct bus from the South Normanton area.

I personally think it would be doing great, long distance buses seem to be doing well after COVID, especially in the leisure market which this would generally cater for.

 

[Trainman40083]

A bit off topic but I do wonder how the Stagecoach X1, which was introduced just before the Covid lockdowns would now be doing if it hadn‘t been so quickly withdrawn. For those who have forgotten it ran Chesterfield-Clay Cross-Alfreton-East Midlands Designer Outlet-Nottingham. It ran down the M1 from the Designer Outlet, was slightly quicker than the Pronto between Chesterfield and Nottingham, provided a direct link to the Designer Outlet from both Chesterfield and Nottingham. It was also quicker than Trent Barton from Alfreton to Nottingham and it provided a direct bus from the South Normanton area.

I don't recall it carrying that many fare paying passengers when it ran.
Maybe most make the journey by train, in less time.

 

[Teapot42]

I don't recall it carrying that many fare paying passengers when it ran.
Maybe most make the journey by train, in less time.

Is there that much time saving? Yes the train is 37-38 minutes, but neither station is that close to the centre.

Plus, at £18 for an off-peak day return, the train is considerably more expensive.

 

[ChrisC]

I don't recall it carrying that many fare paying passengers when it ran.
Maybe most make the journey by train, in less time.

It wasn’t really given much of a chance to build up usage. I think it only began in October 2019 and was withdrawn early during Covid lockdown soon after March 2020. Whilst there probably would never be a huge number of passengers doing the whole route it provided lots of direct journey opportunities which are not otherwise available.