What rail routes in GM only run every 2 hours?
I didn't say "routes", I said "stations", and off the top of my head I can name Trafford Park, Humphrey Park and Belle Vue.
What rail routes in GM only run every 2 hours?
Which services don't co-ordinate though?
(bearing in mind that if a service from the south co-ordinates well with the Ilkley service then it'll co-ordinate badly with the Skipton service - if the Knottingley service co-ordinates well with the Blackpool service then the Normanton one won't co-ordinate with the Blackpool serveice)
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One or two people have mentioned later services. Earlier this year. Transdev started running some late '36' buses to Harrogate on Friday and Saturday nights. The Friday ones have since been dropped, apparently owing to lack of custom.
I didn't say "routes", I said "stations", and off the top of my head I can name Trafford Park, Humphrey Park and Belle Vue.
I didn't say "routes", I said "stations", and off the top of my head I can name Trafford Park, Humphrey Park and Belle Vue.
Unlike cities like Manchester, Leeds isn't an especially large city, it being metropolitan only on a technicality in a sense of its proximity to other places like Bradford, Harrogate and so on all of which are completely separate entities rather than suburbs and towns of Leeds, so I think this causes some complications when thinking about how best to connect the place (or places) up.
When thinking about city centre traffic, perhaps some decent out of town park and rides could cut down on jams. Perhaps also things like buses having priority on traffic lights to give faster journeys.
Ideally the place would have a tram like other mid sized cities like Nottingham and Sheffield, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Nottingham and Sheffield got lucky in some respects with regards to timing, but if it was today they wouldn't stand a chance. You need to be a big city like Manchester in order to get only a mid sized city solution in this country.
You say Nottingham wouldn't stand a chance today, and that could be true if they were trying to initiate a system, but they've expanded and continue to produce plans for more lines, involving other local authority areas of different political hues too. Maybe if the South Yorkshire tram-train is deemed a success if and when it comes to fruition then that could provide an impetus for Leeds.
Nottingham has a strong Transport mindset which Leeds sadly lacks, as do some other English cities. Nottingham buses quickly privatised itself in 1986 and had the mindset to bring in Transdev as an investor in the 90's. They have been ahead of the game. Indeed I would point to Nottingham rather than Manchester as a leader in Transport Planning.
Nottingham has a strong Transport mindset which Leeds sadly lacks, as do some other English cities. Nottingham buses quickly privatised itself in 1986 and had the mindset to bring in Transdev as an investor in the 90's. They have been ahead of the game. Indeed I would point to Nottingham rather than Manchester as a leader in Transport Planning.
Nottingham City Transport was never "privatised" as such. It was deregulated like all other London bus operations
Are there many hourly bus services in Leeds? Most areas seem to do well on frequency I think.
What about a tram system?
It doesn't help that First, as the dominant operator across Leeds, are completely inept. Dozens of journeys are cancelled on a daily basis due to a very long term staffing shortage so even though it looks like many routes have a good service in reality they don't.
Hope you don't mind me pointing out you meant to say non-London.
Unlike cities like Manchester, Leeds isn't an especially large city, it being metropolitan only on a technicality in a sense of its proximity to other places like Bradford, Harrogate and so on all of which are completely separate entities rather than suburbs and towns of Leeds, so I think this causes some complications when thinking about how best to connect the place (or places) up.
When thinking about city centre traffic, perhaps some decent out of town park and rides could cut down on jams. Perhaps also things like buses having priority on traffic lights to give faster journeys.
Ideally the place would have a tram like other mid sized cities like Nottingham and Sheffield, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Nottingham and Sheffield got lucky in some respects with regards to timing, but if it was today they wouldn't stand a chance. You need to be a big city like Manchester in order to get only a mid sized city solution in this country.
The multi-centric nature of West Yorkshire is one of the reasons why local train services need sorting out, particularly in terms of connections and early/late trains. The current situation where one can't even visit the theatre in Leeds and expect to get a train back (as an example) simply isn't good enough.
To be fair on Metro, in the 80s and early 90s they made massive improvements to rail services in West Yorkshire. Since then the only major changes have been the Metro-sponsored opening of Brighouse with the extra train an hour to Manchester and the introduction of the 5th hourly fast Leeds to Manchester service. In the early 80s there was typically 1 train an hour Leeds-Huddersfield-Manchester.
Whilst Metro did well at getting increased frequencies they did little about first and last train times. I'm relatively lucky with a last train at 2319 (though I have to get the 2256 to have a chance of getting a bus home from the station) but remember well living near the Calder Valley and its 2238 last train that was just a bit too early to go to the theatre or a gig.
In my clubbing days I lived halfway between Manchester and Leeds but would go out in Manchester because I could be out until trains and buses started up again. If I went out in Leeds it was £50 in a taxi 15 or more years ago which rather added to the costs of a night out.
The multi-centric nature of West Yorkshire is one of the reasons why local train services need sorting out, particularly in terms of connections and early/late trains. The current situation where one can't even visit the theatre in Leeds and expect to get a train back (as an example) simply isn't good enough.
While I agree, it can be a similar story for some towns around London where there is bound to be many times the demand for late night trains. Were West Yorkshire to run late night trains from Leeds to all the surrounding towns and villages, I expect they would be quite lightly used overall and just not cost effective. I think bus integration would be better, as these could run later and more frequently.
While I agree, it can be a similar story for some towns around London where there is bound to be many times the demand for late night trains. Were West Yorkshire to run late night trains from Leeds to all the surrounding towns and villages, I expect they would be quite lightly used overall and just not cost effective. I think bus integration would be better, as these could run later and more frequently.
The last train might be busy, but what about the ones before it? If the last train was 00:19 I expect the 23:19 might be a bit quiet.
There might be a case for foregoing some of the earlier trains and then having one at gone midnight, but this also then has to be balanced against the extra cost from staff and the like, impact on other places served by the trains etc.
I doubt that Leeds is a big enough draw to justify that kind of upheaval. I know that other places have coaches which do late night runs between towns, perhaps that might be better as a halfway house.
The last train might be busy, but what about the ones before it? If the last train was 00:19 I expect the 23:19 might be a bit quiet.
There might be a case for foregoing some of the earlier trains and then having one at gone midnight, but this also then has to be balanced against the extra cost from staff and the like, impact on other places served by the trains etc.
I doubt that Leeds is a big enough draw to justify that kind of upheaval. I know that other places have coaches which do late night runs between towns, perhaps that might be better as a halfway house.
Sorting out pinch points to benefit all road users should be a priority, which would reduce congestion and make buses more attractive.
Take the A647 between Bradford and Leeds, they've recently spent millions on the cycle lane but done nothing to that small section approaching Armley where 2 lanes merge into 1 before becoming 2 again.
The only thing standing in the way of widening is the edge of a park and derelict buildings, but they widened it slightly to build the cycle lane and other traffic still has a needless 10-15 minute queue at peak times effecting the 72/X6. The rest of the route from Thornbury to Leeds is dual carriageway.