edwin_m
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Badminton could have been served by a shuttle(cock) bus.Bit like Badminton?
Badminton could have been served by a shuttle(cock) bus.Bit like Badminton?
Somewhat related question - many of these TGV stations in the middle of nowhere seem to have a siding at both ends.
Are these used for anything in particular? Just seems somewhat superfluous given the very simple layout.
I have been through the Channel Tunnel but still not been on a TGV. On my bucket list that is for sure.
SNCF advised HS2 to avoid building "beetroot" stations at all costs,
The proposed Bordeaux - Toulouse / Dax LGV (construction due to start in 2022) is also to have out-of-town stations for Agen, Montauban and Mont de Marsan. I think the lesson has been learnt from the LGV SEA (Tours - Bordeaux) that by using existing stations (Poitiers, Angoulême, Libourne) the timetable for the 'semi-fast' services to serve them becomes very complex and resource hungry. It is also difficult to make local journeys between these stations by TGV, and the service on the classic main-line has been reduced to thin to non-existent.
The proposed Bordeaux - Toulouse / Dax LGV (construction due to start in 2022) is also to have out-of-town stations for Agen, Montauban and Mont de Marsan. I think the lesson has been learnt from the LGV SEA (Tours - Bordeaux) that by using existing stations (Poitiers, Angoulême, Libourne) the timetable for the 'semi-fast' services to serve them becomes very complex and resource hungry. It is also difficult to make local journeys between these stations by TGV, and the service on the classic main-line has been reduced to thin to non-existent. Poitiers is particularly silly for the LGV runs through the city outskirts parallel to the A10 motorway, so a 'parkway' station would have been a much better option.
which is why I am curious how a potential Chiltern Parkway HS2 station would be served on a line that supposedly will have 17 trains an hour)
I though Marne la Vallee Chessy had the through lines on the outside of the platform loops? Presumably so Eurostar services could turn back without having to cross them.Another factor is the LGV stations need a big site. The platforms are away from passing High speed trains on loops so have to have space for at least 4 decently spaced tracks plus 2 platforms. Some like Chessy (Disney Paris) are double decked with through lines underneath.
I think there are a couple of stations with emergency facilities for coupling trains, so the loops are >800m rather than 400m. These are long compared to a typical UK Intercity platform of only 240-280m
I noticed the Valencia terminal for HS services is 'downline' from the classic terminal and looks unconnected? And rather basic.Over in Germany and Spain I tend to travel on the traditional lines, but I have noticed that some of their high speed lines also have stations en route that are some way out from the nearest settlement or equivalent conventional line station.
Hence my dread at the HS2 in England having stations en route far from city centre transport hubs.
I though Marne la Vallee Chessy had the through lines on the outside of the platform loops? Presumably so Eurostar services could turn back without having to cross them.
There's a dedicated shuttle bus to Nord, though my wife and I just walked it. I doubt it has won architectural awards, but I remember it as being spacious and sufficiently equipped (plenty of car parking too). Nord is impressive, of course, even though a large part seems to be a supermarket!I noticed the Valencia terminal for HS services is 'downline' from the classic terminal and looks unconnected? And rather basic.
There's a dedicated shuttle bus to Nord, though my wife and I just walked it. I doubt it has won architectural awards, but I remember it as being spacious and sufficiently equipped (plenty of car parking too).
On the flip side, IIRC the Mayor of Lille at the time LGV Nord was being planned was extremely keen for the line to route right through the centre of the city, to much national and local opposition. The economic contribution of the line since opening has proven him correct.
Even though, unfortunately, not having the LGV station under Lille Flandres is a strong inconvience für connections, especially from Eurostar.
Was a tunnel station under Flandres ever even discussed?
It’s not really though. The VAL serves Lille Europe which provides connections for the Lille metropolitan area, and its only a 5 minute walk from Europe to Flanders if you need to make a regional connection. Hardly a strong inconvenience.Even though, unfortunately, not having the LGV station under Lille Flandres is a strong inconvience für connections, especially from Eurostar.
Antequera - Santa Ana makes a bit more sense now that the Granada-Antequera line is open, as it should eventually become an important interchange. But it's still a complete absurdity to me, and I don't understand why the Madrid-Malaga line wasn't built through the centre of Antequera to begin with. It's a natural interchange between the Madrid-Malaga and Seville-Granada lines, and with a central station in Antequera, they could have created an Andalusian rail hub in Antequera in order to open up the Andalusian interior. It would also have been a massive boost for the Antequera region, as with fast direct trains to Granada/Cordoba/Seville/Malaga, it would have been a hugely popular place to live with the amount of cheap land available for housing.Take a look at an online mapping service of your choice for neighbouring España's Villanueva de Córdoba - Los Pedroches and Antequera - Santa Ana stations.
It’s not really though. The VAL serves Lille Europe which provides connections for the Lille metropolitan area, and its only a 5 minute walk from Europe to Flanders if you need to make a regional connection. Hardly a sting inconvenience.
The Swedish Transport Administration presents four alternatives in the report.
"They do not constitute ready-made proposals and we do not advocate any alternative before anything else. The alternatives have been developed to illustrate differences in costs, consequences and effects, and form a basis for our client," says Ali Sadeghi.
The Swedish Transport Administration states that central station locations generally create good accessibility to both housing and labour markets. They contribute to local and regional economic growth. Parkway stations facilitate short travel times for long-distance train passengers.
"All alternatives provide large capacity additions and contribute to regional and national growth. But they also contain a balance between different benefits, for example from a regional and national perspective," says Ali Sadeghi.
I live in Lot et Garonne, midway between Bordeaux and Agen. There are still many "LGV - NON" signs about.Is construction start confirmed for next year? I hadn’t seen news on that. If so, it makes HS2 development seem positively rapid. I was in that part of the world 12 years ago and the ‘LGV - NON’ signs were out everywhere as the inquiry was underway.
It would be all or nothing.
This may be worthy of its own thread, but in the spirit of the discussion in this thread you might be interested in news today from here in Sweden.
The Transport Administration Trafikverket have delivered the report of an investigation on new high-speed lines to the government. A highlight is the fact that Trafikverket are presenting significant opportunities for cost savings if the high-speed lines do not at existing or new city-centre stations along the route, but new TGV-style parkway stations.
I live in Lot et Garonne, midway between Bordeaux and Agen. There are still many "LGV - NON" signs about.