Not quite - you'd have two extra movements per hour as the Lincolns head out to Meadowhall and back, as well as the Adwick and Scunthorpe services that currently form the extensions of the Lincolns.
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Will Lincoln ever have better train services?
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YorkshireBear
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Sorry i thought you meant coming off the line from lincoln. I see now. yeah i had thought of capcity through the north out towards meadowhall. I can't see what will happen with sheffield unless that section is altered wheher it be layout/signalling/4 track.
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I doubt that the
Liverpool Lime St (TPE) calling Retford, Worksop, Sheffield, Stockport, Piccadilly, Oxford Road, Deansgate, Irlam, Birchwood, Warrington Cent, Widnes, Liverpool SP, Liverpool LS
Would run due to the bottleneck on the Hope Valley line
The 1tph Sheffield (NT) calling Gainsborough, Retford, Worksop only is a good idea
To inject some reality to the above...!
A semi-fast service to Sheffield seems a good idea, but I'm not sure it'd be justified in addition to a stopping service. How about one calling Saxilby, Gainsboro', Retford and Workop then fast to Sheffield (EMT?) alongside a stopper starting at Retford or Worksop (Northern?) and working through beyond Sheffield for Meadowhall punters? A further fast service through to Manchester doesn't seem feasible to me, unless it was as an extension of the semi-fast.
2tph to Nottingham seems sensible, and as I think you're suggesting, it makes sense for one of those to be a fairly fast Birmingham - Cleethorpes service. For the sake of two more additional calls at Barnetby and Habrough (both serving quite large catchment areas), I don't see why such an hourly service couldn't provide the local service between Lincoln and Grimsby, and it might even allow one of the 2tph Nottinghams via Derby to be turned back at the latter. Can't see a further long-distance XC into Lincoln being justified though.
Leeds doesn't seem a bad idea if it works pathing-wise beyond Donny. Either way, decent connections into services north from the latter would be handy.
Not convinced by the need for an hourly service to Skegvegas - I'm sure any limited demand could be catered for by decent connections at Sleaford.
A semi-fast service to Sheffield seems a good idea, but I'm not sure it'd be justified in addition to a stopping service. How about one calling Saxilby, Gainsboro', Retford and Workop then fast to Sheffield (EMT?) alongside a stopper starting at Retford or Worksop (Northern?) and working through beyond Sheffield for Meadowhall punters? A further fast service through to Manchester doesn't seem feasible to me, unless it was as an extension of the semi-fast.
2tph to Nottingham seems sensible, and as I think you're suggesting, it makes sense for one of those to be a fairly fast Birmingham - Cleethorpes service. For the sake of two more additional calls at Barnetby and Habrough (both serving quite large catchment areas), I don't see why such an hourly service couldn't provide the local service between Lincoln and Grimsby, and it might even allow one of the 2tph Nottinghams via Derby to be turned back at the latter. Can't see a further long-distance XC into Lincoln being justified though.
Leeds doesn't seem a bad idea if it works pathing-wise beyond Donny. Either way, decent connections into services north from the latter would be handy.
Not convinced by the need for an hourly service to Skegvegas - I'm sure any limited demand could be catered for by decent connections at Sleaford.
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Oh please :roll::roll:
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Xenophon PCDGS
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You realize that Lincolns service to Birmingham was the all shacks to Leicester and then all shacks to Birmingham don't you?
I am somewhat confused by your use of the word shacks.
The definition of the word shack in the Oxford English dictionary is a roughly built hut or cabin.
Are you making some comment here concerning the quality of the station infrastructure between Lincoln and Birmingham?
tbtc
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It sounds good. The problems are that:
1. Realistically, any additional Lincoln - Newark Castle - Nottingham service is going to be at the expense of a Lincoln - Newark Northgate service. I don't think there's a market/stock for three trains an hour from Lincoln to Newark at the moment.
2. Paths over the ECML at the flat crossing are at a premium, since any Nottingham/ Newark Castle - Lincoln service needs a spare path both northbound and southbound at the same time, which is tricky to schedule. Plus, this is a reason why the powers that be don't seem to want the Lincoln - Nottingham service to run much further afield (e.g. Birmingham), since there's then more potential for disruption to ECML services.
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No, sorry I should have been clearer, people often use 'shacks' when saying/meaning all stops, because when you think of a shack going by the definition above, it is not an important place if you get the jist of what I mean, so by stopping at all shacks I mean stopping at a lot of places which are pretty insignificant (obviously with no disrepect to any of those places, just in the bigger picture)
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I would probably run this service pattern if it was up to me
1tph to Birmingham from grimsby calling at habrough, barnetby, mkt rasen, lincoln, newark, Nottingham and then
the current xc service to brum
1tph to Sheffield calling at saxilby Gainsborough, Retford and worksop
The current Peterborough service the same
with timetable changes and earlier and later services
Newark 1tph calling at hykenham, swinderby, collingham and newark northgate
London 1tp2h with 4 extending to cleethorpes calling at mkt rasen barnetby and Grimsby
1tph to Birmingham from grimsby calling at habrough, barnetby, mkt rasen, lincoln, newark, Nottingham and then
the current xc service to brum
1tph to Sheffield calling at saxilby Gainsborough, Retford and worksop
The current Peterborough service the same
with timetable changes and earlier and later services
Newark 1tph calling at hykenham, swinderby, collingham and newark northgate
London 1tp2h with 4 extending to cleethorpes calling at mkt rasen barnetby and Grimsby
Correct, and I think the only resolution there is a decent service from London that would remove the need (most need?) for connections at Newark.
That's the big problem - I don't know whether it'd be possible to provide a theoretically workable plan, but I doubt it would be robust especially with, as you say, the potential for delays west of Notts. Maybe a flyover would help!
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