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Have been on a 6 car 172 from Shrub Hill to New Street. Had to move forward at New Street as we didn’t get far enough into the platform at first to release all doors!
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newtownmgr
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That will be down to the signaller not clearing the mid platform signal. They are supposed to check the formations before allowing them into the station.Have been on a 6 car 172 from Shrub Hill to New Street. Had to move forward at New Street as we didn’t get far enough into the platform at first to release all doors!
fgwrich
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Indeed, they were something of a surprise when they first started with London Overground - Not only a unit ordered with the foresight of them not sticking around for too long, but a rather spacious 2+2 layout for an item of stock ordered by TfL.
Bletchleyite
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The fact they weren't sticking around for long is why they didn't have longitudinal. It was so they appealed to more TOCs once no longer needed.
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On the move yes indeed. When not, well, they set the idle rpm to the higher 170 one
Halish Railway
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I think a lot of passengers on that train would be be miserable because they’re on that train instead of the preceding Voyager to London which was cancelled.I do find those interior photos somewhat amusing - first day of the class in service and it's just somewhat bored / miserable looking normal passengers looking like they're just on "the train"
Are the carriages significantly longer on the 196s then? A quick gander at the sectional appendix shows the platforms at Bromsgrove to be 150m. Now I’m aware there needs to be a certain extra tolerance (5m or something?) to allow a train to ‘fit’ in the platform; assuming so that would give a max carriage length of just over 24m. I don’t doubt you as I haven’t seen a 196, I’m just a little surprised that’s all if you’re right as I would have hoped that Bromsgrove was designed in a way that it wasn’t strictly limited to trains whose lengths are multiples of 23m — after all we’ve had trains with longer carriages for a few years now.
Fair enough, admittedly I’m yet to come across one of the Civity DMUs in the flesh, so I’m only going by videos I’ve seen online which invariably show them moving!On the move yes indeed. When not, well, they set the idle rpm to the higher 170 one
newtownmgr
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Not sure of exact lengths but I’m lead to believe they won’t fit.
william.martin
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Does any body know what the diagrams are for Wednesday?
Not today, take a look at the posting date.
Undiscovered
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Same as last week. Will be the same for a while.
Jacob Porrett
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Peter Sarf
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Here are the headcodes, from upthread.
william.martin
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Thanks for that, bit annoying that I will be on a 170 on Wednesday however I can say goodbye to what it most likely my second to most ridden class of train (it's unlikely I shall ever be on a EMR, XC or ScotRail one)
Saw 196105 parked in Shrewsbury abbey forgate C's today while on a passing 170.
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HST274
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Tried to catch one today but the last Shrewsbury to BHM train was cancelled at Wolverhampton 50 minutes late. It will probably be a little while before I try again 
More on topic is there any idea how fast the diagrams will be ramped up over the coming weeks/months?
More on topic is there any idea how fast the diagrams will be ramped up over the coming weeks/months?
william.martin
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Talking about it being 50 mins late, I find that a lot with WMR, the other day I couldn't complete my journey because they terminated early at Wellington, though a good opportunity to get a shot of a 170 on plat 3Tried to catch one today but the last Shrewsbury to BHM train was cancelled at Wolverhampton 50 minutes late. It will probably be a little while before I try again
The diagrams will be slowly ramped up with a second unit entering service soon, though I can not give a link to the website as I viewed it a while ago, if a 170 fails, it shall be replaced by a 196 for the remainder of the day in most circumstances.
Is this more 'information' that is really just you think out loud? What is your source for this? If you viewed this supposed website a whole ago it won't be up to date. 196 launch has been very fluid with changes to dates and plans throughout this year.
There's been no talk of replacing failed 170s with 196s internally that I'm aware of. Yes, more units will come onto diagrams soon. That's just pointing out the obvious given the plan is to have most out by December.
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I do find those interior photos somewhat amusing - first day of the class in service and it's just somewhat bored / miserable looking normal passengers looking like they're just on "the train"
I suspect that's where the amusement comes from - that some of us get excited, while for others it's just another day in the office.
Techniquest
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Genuinely interested to know, has anyone who sampled the 196 on the first day been back on them? If so, have they proved to be decent? I'm trying to find a way to fit in a trip on one next week, which would be a thousand times easier if it wasn't for that strike on 3rd November!
No real rush for me, granted, given they'll soon be my local trains, but it would be nice to give them a try after so long waiting for them!
No real rush for me, granted, given they'll soon be my local trains, but it would be nice to give them a try after so long waiting for them!
TOCs are only striking on the 5th now if that helpa
Techniquest
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I clearly didn't get that memo, that helps a very large amount! I could have left my Premier Inn booking as it was (moved it back a day at a cost of an extra £7), but it does mean I can plan the rest of next week a bit more now
Thanks for the heads-up!The 5th is going to be awkward to plan, depends if it's an all-TOC strike or not I suppose.
Yeah it was changed yesterday. All TOCs and the 5th only now, NR multiple dates the week after. I don't get chance to get near these units now after seeing them daily when I worked on the North Warwick line.I clearly didn't get that memo, that helps a very large amount! I could have left my Premier Inn booking as it was (moved it back a day at a cost of an extra £7), but it does mean I can plan the rest of next week a bit more now
The 5th is going to be awkward to plan, depends if it's an all-TOC strike or not I suppose.
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Just 196101 out at the moment.
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Birmingham
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Wasn’t the RMT all TOCs strike rescheduled to 9th? Also, aren’t TSSA WMT striking on 4th? Not that it’s been publicised how that’ll affect services.
Unsure about TSSA but RMT email definitely states 5th only for TOC, various dates for different NR departments (maintenance/operations)
Techniquest
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Thanks, looks like I'll be sacrificing that day on my ticket then and looking to do something else that day. I'm away from base on the 5th, otherwise I'd not be too bothered!
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Your information about 170 failures bring replaced with 196s is incorrect. The 196s need a bit of fettling before coming off the yard- you can't just jump in, fire it up, bang the compressor on max and drive off. Takes a bit of time for a 196.
That's assuming you can find a driver and a guard who sign the traction to run the service.
Exactly. I think it was an uneducated guess.
Birmingham
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The WMT industrial action webpage has now been updated such that services will operate on Friday 4 0730-1930 between Birmingham-Liverpool, Birmingham-Euston, and Lichfield-Redditch/Bromsgrove and Saturday 5, Monday 7, and Wednesday 9 0700-1900 between Birmingham-Crewe, Birmingham-Euston, and Lichfield-Redditch/Bromsgrove.
So it doesn’t really make much difference to the travelling public whether RMT TOC staff or RMT NR staff are on strike in respect to WMT services at least! And the TSSA strike is similar except the extension to Liverpool.