WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[DannyMich2018]

Not sure what's going on but according to Part Time Spotter only 11 196s were diagrammed today, similar yesterday- I thought with the extra Shrewsbury service more would be required daily. Have Cov-Leamimgton gone back to 172s and are more 172s on Hereford's?

Last Fri 31st May according to PTS 14 were in use, so more units in use on a less frequent timetable.

 

[AJDesiro]

Not sure what's going on but according to Part Time Spotter only 11 196s were diagrammed today, similar yesterday- I thought with the extra Shrewsbury service more would be required daily. Have Cov-Leamimgton gone back to 172s and are more 172s on Hereford's?

Coventry no longer sign 172s, so it'd be near-impossible to run 172s on the NUCKLE.

 

[DannyMich2018]

Coventry no longer sign 172s, so it'd be near-impossible to run 172s on the NUCKLE.

Okay thanks for the info! Must be fewer diagrams on Worcester line for 196s as all Shrewsbury services have to be 196s as 172s don't go there.

 

[cambsy]

There’s engineering work this weekend, so 196’s only running Birmingham-Great Malvern, so could be why need less diagrams.

 

[uniquicity]

No 172s were out on Herefords today. Source I can see them from my flat window

 

[Peter Sarf]

Not sure what's going on but according to Part Time Spotter only 11 196s were diagrammed today, similar yesterday- I thought with the extra Shrewsbury service more would be required daily. Have Cov-Leamimgton gone back to 172s and are more 172s on Hereford's?

Last Fri 31st May according to PTS 14 were in use, so more units in use on a less frequent timetable.

I think you must have miss read the PTS report for today as 196002 was on TS602 and 196010 was on TS601 - those are the two diagrams for NuCLe (Nuneaton - Coventry - Leamington Spa).

Two of the normally 4car 196 diagrams were not 196s today but there have been one or two diagrams not covered from time to time in the past.

Before the timetable change there were four 4car diagrams for Shrewsbury ie TS401 - TS404 but now TS404 has ceased to exist and TS405 has become Shrewsbury (see also TS603 & TS604 below).

For Worcester TS410 has been added to TS405-TS409 but TS405 removed so still 5 diagrams.

Note there are also TS603 & TS604 for 2car 196s on the Shrewsbury side. They used to spend a lot of the day working together but that seems no longer to be the case. So in effect there is one more Shrewsbury service because the pair of 2cars has become a two single 2car services. So Shrewsbury gains an extra service diagram even though the overall number of coaches remains the same.

EDITed at 00:29 to correct the switch of TS405.

 

[uniquicity]

Worcester still has 5 diagrams, they used to be TS405-409 on PTS, now TS406-410

 

[Peter Sarf]

Worcester still has 5 diagrams, they used to be TS405-409 on PTS, now TS406-410

Ah, I had miss-remembered. In that case TS405 has switched use to be for Shrewbury. So TS404 must be set aside eventually for something for Shrewsbury ?.

Anyway I better edit my post above.

 

[DannyMich2018]

I think you must have miss read the PTS report for today as 196002 was on TS602 and 196010 was on TS601 - those are the two diagrams for NuCLe (Nuneaton - Coventry - Leamington Spa).

Two of the normally 4car 196 diagrams were not 196s today but there have been one or two diagrams not covered from time to time in the past.

Before the timetable change there were four 4car diagrams for Shrewsbury ie TS401 - TS404 but now TS404 has ceased to exist and TS405 has become Shrewsbury (see also TS603 & TS604 below).

For Worcester TS410 has been added to TS405-TS409 but TS405 removed so still 5 diagrams.

Note there are also TS603 & TS604 for 2car 196s on the Shrewsbury side. They used to spend a lot of the day working together but that seems no longer to be the case. So in effect there is one more Shrewsbury service because the pair of 2cars has become a two single 2car services. So Shrewsbury gains an extra service diagram even though the overall number of coaches remains the same.

EDITed at 00:29 to correct the switch of TS405

Thanks for your very informative reply. I presume only 4 out of 12 2 car 196s in use is for preparing to lose 6 due to East West reopening. Do you have any idea how many diagrams there are on the Shrewsbury route now there are extra services? Thanks again.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Thanks for your very informative reply. I presume only 4 out of 12 2 car 196s in use is for preparing to lose 6 due to East West reopening. Do you have any idea how many diagrams there are on the Shrewsbury route now there are extra services? Thanks again.

Seems to be full house today with all thirteen diagrams filled (except the new TS605).

Regarding the new (little) TS605 diagram which I have not noticed in use, at a guess I would say it is for a unit to go out on a simple trial post any deport work.

To answer your question - From Part Time Spotter it looks like there are now six diagrams per day for Shrewsbury (4 x 4car and 2 x 2car).

Yes a remarkably low usage of 196/0s (the 2car units) with only four out of twelve generally in use. This can be explained by the six (it is believed) set aside for East West Rail (iirc coming late this year at the earliest - its mentioned up thread iirc).

Then there is the two 196s allegedly for the Camp Hill service (which I feel will happen sooner then EWR). I assume 2car but I feel I am wrong. That would make 12 out of 12 so if that is the case I am tempted to guess the two Shrewbury 196/0 (2car) diagrams will be 196/1s (4car) eventually.

Note also the most regular aberration is pairs of 196/0s (ie 2car) out on a four car diagram.

I have never seen 196113 or 196114 reported as doing anything plus 196112 is not out as much as the others.

Currently the norm is thirteen units out of twentysix units out per day so 50%. Gets higher of course if two 196/0s (2car) cover a single 196/1 (4car) diagram - which is rare. I think that peaked a while back with two diagrams covered by pairs.

(Bit of a rushed reply as I am orf out.)

 

[D.K.TAYLOR]

Seems to be full house today with all thirteen diagrams filled (except the new TS605).

Regarding the new (little) TS605 diagram which I have not noticed in use, at a guess I would say it is for a unit to go out on a simple trial post any deport work.

To answer your question - From Part Time Spotter it looks like there are now six diagrams per day for Shrewsbury (4 x 4car and 2 x 2car).

Yes a remarkably low usage of 196/0s (the 2car units) with only four out of twelve generally in use. This can be explained by the six (it is believed) set aside for East West Rail (iirc coming late this year at the earliest - its mentioned up thread iirc).

Then there is the two 196s allegedly for the Camp Hill service (which I feel will happen sooner then EWR). I assume 2car but I feel I am wrong. That would make 12 out of 12 so if that is the case I am tempted to guess the two Shrewbury 196/0 (2car) diagrams will be 196/1s (4car) eventually.

Note also the most regular aberration is pairs of 196/0s (ie 2car) out on a four car diagram.

I have never seen 196113 or 196114 reported as doing anything plus 196112 is not out as much as the others.

Currently the norm is thirteen units out of twentysix units out per day so 50%. Gets higher of course if two 196/0s (2car) cover a single 196/1 (4car) diagram - which is rare. I think that peaked a while back with two diagrams covered by pairs.

(Bit of a rushed reply as I am orf out.)

196113 Was out on test yesterday 5/6/24 coupled with 196006 On Stratford test runs still not accepted by WM Trains

 

[nigelsporne]

I saw 114 at Shrewsbury on 3rd Nov on test. Post 2863. So obviously no rush to get it into service.

 

[Liam L]

196113 & 114 are out on test together today between Tyseley and Worcester.

5T96 1050 Tyseley LMD -Worcester Shrub Hill and 5T97 1239 Worcester Shrub Hill - Tyseley LMD.

 

[Peter Sarf]

196113 Was out on test yesterday 5/6/24 coupled with 196006 On Stratford test runs still not accepted by WM Trains

I saw 114 at Shrewsbury on 3rd Nov on test. Post 2863. So obviously no rush to get it into service.

196113 & 114 are out on test together today between Tyseley and Worcester.

5T96 1050 Tyseley LMD -Worcester Shrub Hill and 5T97 1239 Worcester Shrub Hill - Tyseley LMD.

Now that is news !. Progress one hopes.

I have wondered how available the 196/1s are considering (surplus) 196/0s get used in pairs on diagrams for 196/1s. Not often but sometimes even two pairs !. It is possible it only means the underused 196/0s are getting some extra use.

 

[Mordac]

Was chatting with a WMT driver yesterday and he said 196 availability is still really poor, so they better get those two working before they lose some units to East West Rail.

 

[JonathanH]

Was chatting with a WMT driver yesterday and he said 196 availability is still really poor, so they better get those two working before they lose some units to East West Rail.

The answer to poor reliability of rolling stock should not be to have more of it. More effort needs to be directed to getting rolling stock working.

 

[nigelsporne]

With my first visit to Shrewsbury since the Timetable change a 4 car unit departs from Platform 5 just before the hour, this appears to be a semi fast, with a 2 car unit following about 5 mins later from Platform 6 calling all stations to Wolverhampton then via Tame Bridge.

 

[Jimboe89]

With my first visit to Shrewsbury since the Timetable change a 4 car unit departs from Platform 5 just before the hour, this appears to be a semi fast, with a 2 car unit following about 5 mins later from Platform 6 calling all stations to Wolverhampton then via Tame Bridge.

Two car units on this route is insane. Both my commutes today were full and standing. Is this a planned allocation?

 

[Northerngirl]

With my first visit to Shrewsbury since the Timetable change a 4 car unit departs from Platform 5 just before the hour, this appears to be a semi fast, with a 2 car unit following about 5 mins later from Platform 6 calling all stations to Wolverhampton then via Tame Bridge.

It seems a very strange service pattern, and the semi fast stations seem to be a strange choice, it's effectively one an hour for non tfw stops

 

[Lewisham2221]

It seems a very strange service pattern, and the semi fast stations seem to be a strange choice, it's effectively one an hour for non tfw stops

The non-TfW stops only had an hourly service before the timetable change anyway. The difference is the busier stations (Shrewsbury/Wellington/Telford/Wolves/New St) now get a fast train every 30 minutes.

 

[Kite159]

The non-TfW stops only had an hourly service before the timetable change anyway. The difference is the busier stations (Shrewsbury/Wellington/Telford/Wolves/New St) now get a fast train every 30 minutes.

And the other stations other than Shifnal get an extra 15 minutes of crawling via Bescot as well as losing out with peak time extras. But that's an issue with the timetable rather than the trains.

 

[Peter Sarf]

On 24/06/2024 196113 & 196114 apparently went from Tyseley to Wolverton on 5Q70 - anyone know why ?.

RTT - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K12622/2024-06-24/detailed
Looks like they went there under their own power ?.

 

[absolutelymilk]

Have the 196s for East West Rail been set aside already or are they currently being used until it has been signed off and driver training starts?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Have the 196s for East West Rail been set aside already or are they currently being used until it has been signed off and driver training starts?

Still being used with WMR.

 

[12LDA28C]

Have the 196s for East West Rail been set aside already or are they currently being used until it has been signed off and driver training starts?

As they're not required yet it would make no sense for them to be stood down from service already.

 

[DBS92042]

On 24/06/2024 196113 & 196114 apparently went from Tyseley to Wolverton on 5Q70 - anyone know why ?.

RTT - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K12622/2024-06-24/detailed
Looks like they went there under their own power ?.

They were indeed under their own power. Both units were covered in small strips of blue tape (on the body and the frame) so presumably were heading for cosmetic attention (plus maybe more but I'm not in the know, just going off what I saw as they passed me)

 

[Wyrleybart]

As they're not required yet it would make no sense for them to be stood down from service already.

Haha. Do you mean a bit like the ERTMS 197s which TfW own and which are allegedly going for storage at Long Marston, whilst 150s continue to thrash up and down the Marches etc !!!!

 

[childwallblues]

I had 196009/002 on the 1050 to Hereford today and then 196008/006 on the 1352 t0 Shrewsbury. One way to keep the two car units occupid.