Liam L
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Only 112. 114 has just recently been accepted so hopefully won't be too long now.Can anybody confirm whether any or all of 112, 113 and 114 have carried passengers yet please?
Only 112. 114 has just recently been accepted so hopefully won't be too long now.Can anybody confirm whether any or all of 112, 113 and 114 have carried passengers yet please?
Yes, it was.No, it was 2 /0s when it left Hereford. I think 108 is on what was the 1640 ex Hereford.
But I definitely saw 105 in the morning. I really wish I'd taken a photo, but I'm not making it up, it was there!It would have been 108. That’s the only 4 car that’s been around today on Herefords.
Then where was 105? I am absolutely certain I travelled on it - besides the number it has some distinctive damage behind the cab of the non-toilet coach (torn moquette with loose threads on the left hand side and no charging stickers on the airline seats). On 108, none of this was there.As regards the Hereford services yesterday.
105 wasn’t on the list of Worcester starters & neither was it on the end of day list.
No unit swaps took place
Only 4 car was 108
I don’t know, I’m only telling you what was on the list & what went on yesterday that i was aware of. No unit swaps shown & only the one failure. 005 was about with 002.Then where was 105? I am absolutely certain I travelled on it - besides the number it has some distinctive damage behind the cab of the non-toilet coach (torn moquette with loose threads on the left hand side and no charging stickers on the airline seats). On 108, none of this was there.
196105 wasn’t at Worcester.The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled, and the 1350 left from Plat. 11 (the 1208 arrived on 10).
The only possibility I can therefore see is something along the lines of:
- 196105 started off Worcester (though this conflicts with the list, there might be something even more complicated) and then ran the diagram up to the 1240 HFD-BHM, arriving 1409.
- 2x196/0s started off Worcester at 0556 and ran the diagram up to the 1040 HFD-BHM, where they were swapped at Worcester for 196108. This would explain its sighting at BHM at 1205.
- The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled (keeping 196108 there)
- 196105 (on the 1409 arrival) was sent to Tyseley, though this was shown arriving on Plat. 10, which the 1450 left on.
- The 1450 BHM-HFD was swapped for 196108, allowing it to run the 1639 HFD-BHM, which it did.
Just checked with a colleague in WM control.The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled, and the 1350 left from Plat. 11 (the 1208 arrived on 10).
The only possibility I can therefore see is something along the lines of:
- 196105 started off Worcester (though this conflicts with the list, there might be something even more complicated) and then ran the diagram up to the 1240 HFD-BHM, arriving 1409.
- 2x196/0s started off Worcester at 0556 and ran the diagram up to the 1040 HFD-BHM, where they were swapped at Worcester for 196108. This would explain its sighting at BHM at 1205.
- The 1250 off Birmingham was cancelled (keeping 196108 there)
- 196105 (on the 1409 arrival) was sent to Tyseley, though this was shown arriving on Plat. 10, which the 1450 left on.
- The 1450 BHM-HFD was swapped for 196108, allowing it to run the 1639 HFD-BHM, which it did.
Interesting, thank you.I’m sorry but you either mistake 005 or 108 for 105.
Just checked with a colleague in WM control.
Yesterday 196105 worked the following.
2J02 05:56 Nst -Shrewsbury,2G04 07:10 rtn then ECS to Tyseley.
ECS to New St then the following
2J32 17:26 ex Nst ,2G27 18:40 ex Shrewsbury
2J40 20:04 ex Nst, 2G33 ex Shrewsbury
Finishing with 2J47 ex New St stabling at Shrewsbury.
I thought 114 was a myth to be honest......Only 112. 114 has just recently been accepted so hopefully won't be too long now.
Not sure on 113 to be honest.I thought 114 was a myth to be honest......
Thanks for that though, no sign of 113 coming out to play yet either?
114 in service here?
Nice photo. Really shows off the complex curves/angles with the slightly different shot angle on the two units.
Thank youNo, test run. Platform 6 at Shrewsbury in early November.
I know the feeling, bleedin technology.I would add the location if I knew how!! Had enough problems uploading the picture! I had to get my young grandson to do it
I believe there should be enough 196/0 units to share between EWR and WMT services.There was some discussion earlier in the month on this thread regarding the use of 196/0s.
With the use of these units on the Nuneaton and Camp Hill lines and I assume the temporary use of the units on the E-W line is that the long term plan? I thought the E-W line fell under Chiltern or am I mistaken? If not then surely there must be a plan for these units within the West Midlands. Will these units get transferred to Chiltern? Did someone actually have the foresight to increase the 196/0 order to cater for this? If so it would be a first!
EWR 196’s will be maintained at Bletchley i believe. EWR are supposed to be tendering for new bi mode units. It’s planned that the 196’s should return to WMR to allow for expansion of services as outlined in the West Mids route strategy.I fully accept that. The question though is when the 196/0s were ordered was it always intended that 6 units would be provided for the EW link or were they intended for elsewhere eventually? Are Chiltern going to run the E-W link or not? If so will Chiltern be replacing the 196s sometime in the future? Where will the 196s be maintained?
With Shrewsbury going back up to 2tph “next summer” according to this article, I’m starting to wonder if this would be enough.I believe there should be enough 196/0 units to share between EWR and WMT services.
Two units are needed for nuneaton shuttle with two units will be required for Camp Hill when it starts. So should be enough with spare sets.
New Black Country railway stations will be served by fast route from Shrewsbury to New Street
Two under-construction Black Country railway stations will be served by a new fast service, it has been revealed.
Preparation work is under way to build new stations at Darlaston and Willenhall which will be on an extra Shrewsbury-Birmingham timetable.
The changes came to light after train operator West Midlands Railway on Monday dropped its hourly fast direct service from Tame Bridge Parkway to Wolverhampton, which was expected to serve the proposed new stations. But it said the service will be replaced next summer.
The company explained that the route had previously been serviced by the Crewe-Birmingham line and as of this week, that service now only runs between Crewe and Stafford and cannot stop at Tame Bridge Parkway or Wolverhampton.
A West Midlands Railway spokesperson said: "As part of wider timetable changes to improve operational performance, our fastest direct service between Tame Bridge Parkway and Wolverhampton was temporarily withdrawn from December 10.
Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.Once rollout is complete, and Shrewsbury has gone to 2tph (presumably with 4 car units) I believe that 10 196/1s would be needed each day, excluding peak extras (around 1 or 2 more units required).
Ah, that makes a bit more sense then. Presumably they should be fine with the loss of 6 196/0s, though it’s a shame that we won’t be seeing them as much on the SHL as originally thought, I find them preferable to a 172 any day, especially with the state of the /0s and /1s!Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.
Probably something similar to the current 1G99 service (which already goes via Bescot), with calls at Wellington, Telford, Shifnal, Codsall, Wolves, Darlaston, Willenhall, Tame Beidge and New St.This sounds sensible. By a fast Shrewsbury to New Street service are we talking about a service that will only stop at principal stations?
But, according to the West Mids Route Strategy, Hereford should go to 2tph too (once the Midlands Rail Hub is completed, of course).Shrewsbury 2tph needs five units all day, instead of three units plus two peak extras as at present. Hereford 1tph needs four units. There is one peak extra diagram on the Worcester route. Ten diagrams should be achievable with 14 4-car units, possibly even 11.