Class08Shunter
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Do any of you guys think that Pickering to Rillington junction would reopen?
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By extending the NYMR southwards? No, it would be way beyond their resources.
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Highly doubtful. Indeed, is any railway line, beyond the station and through Pickering still practicable, or in any way economic, and, in any event, hasn't the old alignment now been built over?
In places, yes, meaning there would be significant property demolition (not to mention issues with the road layout south of the station.
The other major problem is that Rillington Jn is miles out of Malton, meaning that any service would have to use NR metals to get to a sensible terminus - and it's not obvious that Malton would be a huge traffic generator for the NYMR, or alternatively that a NR branch to "Pickering Hungate" would be viable.
Class08Shunter
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I suppose network rail could also reopen it if it was worth it. But I'm sure the NYMR would have to pay for it.
I thought it would have got them more passengers. Also if they did trains to York sometimes I would have thought there would be more passengers as well. Not all of the trackbed has been built over.
Having a look on google earth for the trackbed, I found only one building that would have to be demolished. I found a lot of the trackbed and where Mill Lane Junction was.
Some years ago, Whitby Town Council submitted a bid to Pickering Council for Pickering to Rillington to reopen. It was turned down after saying that they was worried that passengers wouldn't get off at Pickering but go straight to Malton. But Pickering Council didn't know that not all of the NYMR's locomotives can go on the National Network. If they knew that I think Pickering to Rillington would have had a chance of reopening.
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Network Rail would need government funding to construct and reopen Rillington Junction to Pickering, and the chance of that is near zero. Even if the route was reopened under NR, it would only likely be viable as part of a York/Malton to Whitby through route. I doubt if an hourly sprinter service each way could be incorporated into the single NYMR mid-section, even if the NYMR were in favour of through running.
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Class08Shunter
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I don't think that the NYMR would like other trains running on their tracks. But many years ago the NYMR were fine with Arriva Trains Northern running on their tracks for crew training yearly so I wonder if they would be fine if other trains ran on their tracks.
Your first sentence is correct.
I presume AN's crew training took place on non-running days and brought in revenue?
Class08Shunter
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No I don't think so as I have a picture of a DMU in Arriva Trains Northern livery at pickering station during a diesel gala alongside Class 56 56114 and some intercity coaches. They definitely did crew training at the time. It was taken in 2003.
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Class08Shunter
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Are you sure about that because the NYMR backed an attempt to reopening the line. Also I'm sure it would benefit the NYMR.
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Are they fully involved in it or is it someone else’s idea that they haven’t objected to?
I believe the NYMR’s GM has said in the past it’s hard enough trying to maintain what they have already have with out trying to take on even more.
Every now and then the same thing crops up about the SVR going to Ironbridge, it’s something that’s not going to happen.
Class08Shunter
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It was the Whitby Town Council's idea but the NYMR was against it as they don't like other trains running in their tracks even though many years ago the NYMR were fine with Arriva Trains Northern doing crew training. I have a picture of a DMU in Arriva livery during a diesel gala next to Class 56 56114 and some intercity coaches in 2003.
I suppose network rail could let them run on the reopened Pickering to Rillington line for free but that would never happen if Neteork Rail reopened it. But also if the NYMR got a lot more money from donations or other causes they could run on the line if Network Rail reopened it.
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Not true, it’s about how much it’ll cost to build and maintain.
Class08Shunter
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But if Network Rail reopened it for NYMR and not for other trains the NYMR would be fine with running to malton. Also if the NYMR got a lot more money from donations or other causes they could run to malton.
Network Rail are not going to spend Taxpayers Money on doing something so somebody else can use it for free, throw in the current economic situation as well where do suggest this ‘a lot more money from donations or other causes’ is going to come from?
We are also massively off topic from the question you originally asked.
Class08Shunter
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I suppose some different people or groups would donate money. But it could be like with the NYMR going to Whitby. The NYMR have to pay a certain amount of money to go to Whitby. If the NYMR had the money they could run on the line if Network Rail reopened it. Yes I changed the topic from the last passenger train on the line to the possibility of the line reopening to see if people thought it would reopen in the future.
And Whitby has bought its own set of problems with running there.
From what I’ve read and heard, running south from Pickering won’t happen.
Class08Shunter
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I forgot to add one more detail about the crew training that Arriva Trains Northern did on the NYMR. Arriva paid the NYMR so they could do crew training.
And? It’s no big deal, various other railways have done similar things at various times.
Class08Shunter
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I mean that maybe the NYMR would be fine if other train companies paid them to run on NYMR tracks.
Not if it interferes with they’re day to day operations they won’t, in the past there’s been concerns about lack of capacity.
Do you really think Chris Price is really going to reduce services on the railway he’s paid to manage and someone else run them?
The only way I could ever see the Malton-Pickering route being restored would be as a commercial concern. In theory one could open a new station, 'Pickering South' (as its name implies, just south of where the town's built-up area ends) thus avoiding the unrealistc prospect of attempting to re-build a line into Pickering town centre.
The track bed from Rillington to south of Pickering seems to be surprisingly intact or at least un-built on and it is almost completely flat with no structural challenges. It would be a candidate for a 'Very Light Rail' shuttle service from Malton using a Parry People Mover or similar light traction, with single track and a very basic station at Pickering South.
This in itself would obviously benefit the NYMR as it would hugely improve public transport from York to Pickering.
The track bed from Rillington to south of Pickering seems to be surprisingly intact or at least un-built on and it is almost completely flat with no structural challenges. It would be a candidate for a 'Very Light Rail' shuttle service from Malton using a Parry People Mover or similar light traction, with single track and a very basic station at Pickering South.
This in itself would obviously benefit the NYMR as it would hugely improve public transport from York to Pickering.
Deary me. We're back in fantasy land.
Nearly everbody arrives at the NYMR by car. Indicative of this is the fact that the former trout fishing business next door has filled in all its lakes to create extra car parking for NYMR passengers,and seems to be doing good business.
Nearly everbody arrives at the NYMR by car. Indicative of this is the fact that the former trout fishing business next door has filled in all its lakes to create extra car parking for NYMR passengers,and seems to be doing good business.
Totally agree, it‘s all utter pie in the sky.
Class08Shunter
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No he wouldn't reduce services. I suppose other trains running on NYMR tracks would cause disruption to their own services.
Seconded, I’m guessing someone I’m replying to is a little bit younger than most of us though.
And to be fair there’s nothing wrong with being young and having a few ideas.
Depends on the colour and size of the money offered, I should think! Every man / company has their price. (Not that I think it is likely to happen)
Not a great look for a business that will really have to up its game in terms of being an environmentally-responsible company over the coming years.
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