Football

[DarloRich]

You are to be congratulated in your writing in such clear and concise terms of the events in this first part of your story of the matters that have affected the football club.

thanks - i wanted to get part 2 done tonight but i was caught at work and just cant get the flow right, so i will try again tomorrow

 

[Karl]

What an excellent result Swansea. Well done lads. I'm really looking forward to the 2nd legs and hoping for a Bradford v Swansea final. What a breath of fresh air that would be?

Good luck to the pair of you. I'll be watching/listening

Karl (PNE fan)

 

[Robinson]

I wonder what MattE2010 makes of this piece of news...

Interesting that they're now trying to tap up a manager who's only 2 months into his present job...

 

[Johnuk123]

I wonder what MattE2010 makes of this piece of news...

Interesting that they're now trying to tap up a manager who's only 2 months into his present job...

Why on earth would Appleton leave Blackpool for a short term contract of a few months to go to a club who are a laughing stock.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Was I dreaming when I read that there was a certain club in Scotland who were very unhappy about the proposed restructuring of the leagues in Scotland...and a veiled theat that they would not play in Scotland if these changes came into effect ?

 

[Eng274]

Was I dreaming when I read that there was a certain club in Scotland who were very unhappy about the proposed restructuring of the leagues in Scotland...and a veiled theat that they would not play in Scotland if these changes came into effect ?

So they're threatening to 'walk away'..

Don't let the door bump you on the way out Sevco!

 

[SS4]

What an excellent result Swansea. Well done lads. I'm really looking forward to the 2nd legs and hoping for a Bradford v Swansea final. What a breath of fresh air that would be?

Good luck to the pair of you. I'll be watching/listening

Karl (PNE fan)

That would be a world of suck (although good if Bradford were playing a different team. Yay for hypocrisy )

Seriously, I can't be the only Villa fan around these parts

 

[Robinson]

Was I dreaming when I read that there was a certain club in Scotland who were very unhappy about the proposed restructuring of the leagues in Scotland...and a veiled theat that they would not play in Scotland if these changes came into effect ?

1) The proposals are a total farce (they've been tried and failed in other countries; someone please explain to me why we're using a system that's been proven to be rubbish?) The proposed 12-12-18 splitting into mini-leagues of 8 effectively means that half the season will be rendered virtually meaningless for most clubs. Meaning there's little incentive to pay any extra for a full season ticket instead of just getting a half and going to the games when there's still actually something to play for. It's even worse than the current SPL split.

2) Not so long ago, the chairmen of the same clubs who are involved in these "talks" were preaching about how fans are all-important and how not listening to the supporters would be close to suicidal. How things have changed since then...

3) If, as has been suggested, the changes are implemented in the 2013-14 season, then supporters, particularly those whose clubs are in the hunt for a promotion place, won't get what they've already paid for.

4) Rangers have not been represented at all in these talks, despite still attracting consistently high home attendances and outselling every other SPL ground put together, excepting Celtic Park.

That's why people aren't happy.

 

[Johnuk123]

So they're threatening to 'walk away'..

Don't let the door bump you on the way out Sevco!

As UEFA won't allow cross border leagues it would be interesting to find out where they intend going.

 

[BlythPower]

Was I dreaming when I read that there was a certain club in Scotland who were very unhappy about the proposed restructuring of the leagues in Scotland...and a veiled theat that they would not play in Scotland if these changes came into effect ?

Seeing as said club has only been in existence since the start of this season and should count themselves fortunate to be in the SFL at all, they're in no position to to be unhappy or threatening about anything.

Lights royal blue touch paper and retires...

 

[DarloRich]

Seeing as said club has only been in existence since the start of this season and should count themselves fortunate to be in the SFL at all, they're in no position to to be unhappy or threatening about anything.

Lights royal blue touch paper and retires...

shame they werent punished as harshly as my club it must be terrible for them

 

[Phil6219]

As UEFA won't allow cross border leagues it would be interesting to find out where they intend going.

I'm sure they could find a way, given how Cardiff and Swansea are both in the English Leagues despite being over the border in Wales.

It's even worse than the current SPL split.

I actually think the whole structure of the Scottish League system is flawed however my main critisism is the SPL split, it doesn't make any sense and just seems to play against the same teams over again (and therefore draw in more money at the very top end), it would be simpler surely if they adopted the structure in place in England and well most of Europe and if they need the extra games then simply restructure the leagues so each division had more teams then either dropping the third division (as it would no longer have any clubs - they would now be in the second division) or allow the third division to be a staging ground for non-league clubs to get in.

Phil

 

[Johnuk123]

I'm sure they could find a way, given how Cardiff and Swansea are both in the English Leagues despite being over the border in Wales.

Quite right, but more than once they've said Scottish teams can't play in England.

 

[SS4]

I'm sure they could find a way, given how Cardiff and Swansea are both in the English Leagues despite being over the border in Wales.

I'd say that was more grandfather rights tbh. IIRC both teams have been playing in England for decades and long predate UEFA

 

[Butts]

Quite right, but more than once they've said Scottish teams can't play in England.

What about Berwick Rangers - they play in the Scottish League despite being domiciled in England

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Berwick Rangers have been affiliated with Scottish football since circa. 1905, just under 50 years before UEFA's creation.

 

[Ivo]

Quite right, but more than once they've said Scottish teams can't play in England.

I think this is true now, although there is nothing stopping them from "relocating" - not that this would be welcomed by fans

Having said that, (old) Gretna used to play in England, until they joined the Scottish League.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What about Berwick Rangers - they play in the Scottish League despite being domiciled in England

Berwick is a most unusual example to make. Perhaps a "gold star" to be awarded to the forum member who can give the total number of times that this settlement has been deemed to be in Scotand and the total number of times that this settlement has been deemed to be in England over the last 1500 years...

 

[Butts]

Berwick is a most unusual example to make. Perhaps a "gold star" to be awarded to the forum member who can give the total number of times that this settlement has been deemed to be in Scotand and the total number of times that this settlement has been deemed to be in England over the last 1500 years...

It changed hands for the final time (to date) in 1482, falling into English Hands after 400 years of yo-yo ownwership.

Under Scottish control during parts of the medieval period it was Scotlands major town with regard to revenue raising from all the taxes on wool exports etc, and accounted for about 25% of all revenue raised in Scotland.
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I'd say that was more grandfather rights tbh. IIRC both teams have been playing in England for decades and long predate UEFA

Indeed Caerdydd won the FA Cup in the thirties (only time it has left England) plus don't forget Wrecsam and Casnewydd who were an English League team for years.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Cardiff, Wrexham and Newport (Gwent) respectively for anyone who doesn't speak Welsh, not that I'm sure why the anglicanised versions weren't used mind...

 

[Butts]

Cardiff, Wrexham and Newport (Gwent) respectively for anyone who doesn't speak Welsh, not that I'm sure why the anglicanised versions weren't used mind...

Out of respect to Greenback and our other Welsh Members - you missed the CS replacing the XH in the other one !!!

Oh no you didn't sorry !!

 

[EM2]

Indeed Caerdydd won the FA Cup in the thirties (only time it has left England) plus don't forget Wrecsam and Casnewydd who were an English League team for years.

1927.
And the reason all three (also Swansea & Merthyr Tydfil) play in the English league system is that there was no League of Wales when they formed.

 

[ACE1888]

The Rangers situation with the 'to be' reformed Scottish set up, is an odd one for sure, do the current SPL/SFL Boards still have a vendetta against the club (even as a Newco) ? Does Charles Green just enjoy 'shouting off' or does he have a good case?
They've reformed the club following the 'Oldco' liquidation, and started again, so although the top flight misses them financially (obviously) they are a new club in the Lowest league, so have to play by the rules, no matter how harsh it may appear to their fans:roll:

 

[richw]

Could Rangers set up as being based in North England to play in English league, but play games in Glasgow?

 

[12CSVT]

Could Rangers set up as being based in North England to play in English league, but play games in Glasgow?

But which league ? Blue Square North ? Evo-Stik Northern Premier ? And would existing clubs want to travel to Glasgow for a league fixture ?

 

[musicking1306]

Could Rangers set up as being based in North England to play in English league, but play games in Glasgow?

Not sure but teams would clock some big travelling miles to and from places like Yeovil, Plymouth, Torquay and Bristol. That would be if Rangers made it up to the higher leagues as they would probably start right at the bottom of the pyramid. However teams have made there way up for example AFC Wimbledon. It would also make a big place to go for a few smaller teams in the football league.

 

[Phil6219]

Not sure but teams would clock some big travelling miles to and from places like Yeovil, Plymouth, Torquay and Bristol. That would be if Rangers made it up to the higher leagues as they would probably start right at the bottom of the pyramid. However teams have made there way up for example AFC Wimbledon. It would also make a big place to go for a few smaller teams in the football league.

It would indeed be pretty much too far to travel, the only way it could work - and those teams and fans be in support of it would be if Rangers themselves arranged and funded the transport of the away teams, it would only really work in the lower leagues but is so unlikely I'm almost ashamed to have mentioned it.

With regard to the Welsh teams in the English leagues, I stand corrected

Here's an interesting question though, why don't Rangers tell UEFA to go and screw their corrupted selves? Granted they won't be able to play in Europe, or would it be more of a case of the English FA getting punished too if they let them in?

I think that UEFA itself along with FIFA are two organisations which are wholly self serving and corrupt and frankly should be replaced with something better, but that's a whole new topic.

Oh and with regard to what Sturridge said, has he been snorting blocks? I thought the dumbest thing ever said by a footballer was when the almighty "can do no wrong" Rio Ferdinand came out with how he want's to play the first ever black James Bond, I'd only watch that film if they actually killed him - Ferdinand not bond

Oh and that reminds me of a rather racist joke I saw earlier, I won't repeat the joke but it reminded me of something I was told a few weeks ago by a Wigan Athletic supporter and that was they are the only team in the Premier League to not have an English player in their starting eleven (they do have four but they are usually not in the starting eleven), they do have Scottish, Welsh and Irish though. I thought that was rather interesting given how many people accuse the likes of the bigger clubs of not fielding English talent at the top level.

Phil

 

[balne-wonderer]

whats good for the goose isn't good for the ganda obviously.

not only are the welsh allowed to play in the English leagues but disciplinary matters are handled by the welsh fa not the english fa. meaning that they allowed to get away with murder on the pitch.

if the welsh are allowed then why not the scottish. id welcome rangers to the English league.

 

[Phil6219]

To change the subject slightly, what the hell are Liverpool thinking? It was a joke the other year when you know "Liverpool are not one to live in the past, here's to Dalglish as manager" but seriously?

The thing is he is held in high regard, personally I think he is somewhat overrated but that's my opinion and doesn't mean much. I find it a bit hard to believe that they are considering approaching him to join the club given his departure last year, I know he would for the fans but for the club?

Phil

 

[Robinson]

Can I just remind everybody that the Rangers that currently play in the 3rd Division are NOT a new club? We are the same Rangers, and this was shown to be the case when the assets were transferred from the oldco to the newco.

It's the same Rangers, with all the club's history retained.
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Also, Charles Green has not actually said that Rangers are definitely going to quit the Scottish game. He has said that if the farcical restructure plans are implemented (which Rangers were not consulted about like the other clubs were, may I add), then the club would start looking into any options which may be open to us. He has also admitted that this could be a difficult process.
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To change the subject slightly, what the hell are Liverpool thinking? It was a joke the other year when you know "Liverpool are not one to live in the past, here's to Dalglish as manager" but seriously?

The thing is he is held in high regard, personally I think he is somewhat overrated but that's my opinion and doesn't mean much. I find it a bit hard to believe that they are considering approaching him to join the club given his departure last year, I know he would for the fans but for the club?

Phil

That won't end well. Just like it didn't when he was kept on in his position when they appointed Roy Hodgson as manager, even though he had wanted the job for himself...