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Haha yeah the broken down Pacer is a rite of passage for work commuters. At least you were warm.
Yep warm and dry and what's a good museum general assistant without a good book so all ended well but it's another of my reason why I hate the Pacers even tho I will miss them when gone they are bad trains but have character and definitely served a purpose

Funnilly enough, in all my fifteen years of commuting on 144's, I don't think I've ever had one break down on me. Been stuck in snow drifts, behind points failures, tresspassers etc, but not a breakdown.

Did have to leave a 142 at Castleford that decided to self-immolate once though.
 
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334s, probably the least comfortable "modern" train out there, which in my mind is worse than being decrepit due to being old. It doesn't help that they tend to end up on longer routes too.
Interesting, and almost directly contrary to what people say about the 458s down South. What do you base those comments on?
 

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Funnilly enough, in all my fifteen years of commuting on 144's, I don't think I've ever had one break down on me. Been stuck in snow drifts, behind points failures, tresspassers etc, but not a breakdown.

Did have to leave a 142 at Castleford that decided to self-immolate once though.
Never been on any other Pacer than a 142. Northern must have ran them during rush hour between Hexham and Middlesbrough pretty much every day until the end of 2019.

So every day either travelling to or from Newcastle I'd get a 142. Usually mornings. At least the ride home was in a 15X which felt like 1st class in comparison.
 

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Never been on any other Pacer than a 142. Northern must have ran them during rush hour between Hexham and Middlesbrough pretty much every day until the end of 2019.

So every day either travelling to or from Newcastle I'd get a 142. Usually mornings. At least the ride home was in a 15X which felt like 1st class in comparison.

Yes, I had a crowded 142 all the way from Newcastle to Carlisle on that route once. Definitely not a suitable journey for it. Deserving of a 156 or better IMO.
 

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150s are a lot worse than the equivalent EMUs, especially in Northern-land. The EMU versions, (in this case 321/22) were with Northern as well and were much better - no 2+3 airline seats, no engine noise, and more capacity as they are 4-car whereas 2-car 150s are frequenrly run on their own where they don't provide enough capacity.
The 322's had quite a few airline seats on the 2 seat side. That said, it is much better than the airline 3 side seats on the 150's.
 

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The 322's had quite a few airline seats on the 2 seat side. That said, it is much better than the airline 3 side seats on the 150's.

Yes, it was the 3 side I was meaning - plenty of commuter units have them on the 2 side (e..g 333s do as well).
 

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Class 319's, just feel dated, cramped, bumpy and really unsuitable for the routes they are on, Don't mind the similar trains as they feel a lot more up to date and actually on suitable routes.
Must agree that Class 331s are a luxury compared with Class 319s
 

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Yes, I had a crowded 142 all the way from Newcastle to Carlisle on that route once. Definitely not a suitable journey for it. Deserving of a 156 or better IMO.
Luxury! It used to be a 143 with bus seats to Carlisle. Except when they were all crocked on Heaton when it was a set of Mark 1s. Now that was real luxury.
 

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Luxury! It used to be a 143 with bus seats to Carlisle. Except when they were all crocked on Heaton when it was a set of Mark 1s. Now that was real luxury.

142s (sometimes with bus seats) were fairly common on that route until not that long ago!
 

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Luxury! It used to be a 143 with bus seats to Carlisle. Except when they were all crocked on Heaton when it was a set of Mark 1s. Now that was real luxury.

Ach, I'd love to have a rake of mk1's turn up !
 

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Funnilly enough, in all my fifteen years of commuting on 144's, I don't think I've ever had one break down on me. Been stuck in snow drifts, behind points failures, tresspassers etc, but not a breakdown.

Did have to leave a 142 at Castleford that decided to self-immolate once though.
I was on a 143 (tfw) and the side lights wouldn't turn off and so the train wouldn't budge took a hour of restarting the train to fix
 

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Everyone is complaining about the 150s but in my opinion, they are better than the 166s which replaced them (besides the extra coach). They are louder and vibrate much more.
 

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Voyager for me - very narrow and crowded. Have been on a few when really busy and it was roasting hot with nowhere to move. I am not sure if it is all Voyagers, but the ones I have been on have looked rather tired and dated on the inside.
 

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Everyone is complaining about the 150s but in my opinion, they are better than the 166s which replaced them (besides the extra coach). They are louder and vibrate much more.
Afraid can't agree a 165/166 is a much better train altogether. Doesn't mean it's suitable for Cardiff Portsmouth though!
 

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The worst journey I've ever had was actually on a 377. Now I must add that in its defense, it was an abnormally bad experience, and the unit in question didn't seem to be very healthy (we broke down at Southbourne, Crawley and Gatwick), even though I'm really not a fan of Electrostars generally.
Was on a Southampton - Victoria service, and coming up through the Arun valley was... exciting. The thing was lurching and banging all over the place, to the point that things were falling off the tables. You couldn't stand up it was shaking around so much. Didn't help that after the first failure at Southbourne the aircon went down and never came back. We started pulling away, there was a clonk, it stopped taking power, the lights flickered and the PIS reset. Happened a couple of times until it managed to get going.
377s seem to ride particularly roughly through that stretch (Arundel through Crawley), but this was something else. Also once we got onto the fast after Gatwick, it seemed to be trying its hardest to shake itself apart getting up to 90. There was a horrible rattling noise coming from somewhere, and it seemed to accelerate in bursts, followed by some juddering, then another surge of speed. Definitely wasn't a healthy unit. At least it made it back to Victoria.

Interior wise, I can't stand anything with IC70 seats, since they make my back ache - I'd genuinely prefer an ironing board. The Great Northern 317s were interesting, where if you leaned forwards in just the wrong way, half the time the seat cushion would fall off the frame.

The worst overall class of train I've been on for me would probably have to be a tossup between 317s and Southern's 455s.
 

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Class 8XX's - Fast and can go almost anywhere due to the fact its a bi train but the interior, especially first class is a backward step compared to HST/MK4, And i expect Class 805/807 and EMR'S 810 (Flying Aubergine) would be more of the same.

Class 230 - Boring

Any train that has the ironing board seats

All Pacers and Sprinters except 158/159 - Slow, Noisy, Boring
 

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Bakerloo line stock. Noisy, disgusting inside and uncomfortable.
I love the Bakerloo line and will usually make a detour to include a Bakerloo trip whenever I'm using the tube.
It's a real Cinderella line, and I like the old school ambience on the stations and the tap tap tap of the traction control equipment. Last place to hear the old gearbox noises too.
 

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150s no question. Noisy engine, noisy doors, cramped seating, draughty, bad lighting both before and after refurb, awful toilets before refurb, stupid retrofit PIS after refurb.

All of these come more from them being worn out than actually a bad design, however. If we're looking for an actually bad design/construction then I think that would have to go to the Vivarail 230s for just being a flawed concept.
 

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All of these come more from them being worn out than actually a bad design, however. If we're looking for an actually bad design/construction then I think that would have to go to the Vivarail 230s for just being a flawed concept.

That's probably justified more than the previous poster saying they're boring, which they aren't really.
 

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I remember using a GN 317 back in 2016 where I boarded, sat down, leaned forward and fell off the seat as it was loose.

Later on, I went to the loo and nearly tripped on some sort of ceiling panel/light fitting that was lying on the floor.

The icing on the cake was the entire toilet seat being detached from the toilet, so I sat down and that proceeded to slide all over the place!

I think that was the most comically bad train I've used.
 

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I remember using a GN 317 back in 2016 where I boarded, sat down, leaned forward and fell off the seat as it was loose.

Later on, I went to the loo and nearly tripped on some sort of ceiling panel/light fitting that was lying on the floor.

The icing on the cake was the entire toilet seat being detached from the toilet, so I sat down and that proceeded to slide all over the place!

I think that was the most comically bad train I've used.
That is thaw fault of poor maintenance, not the unit problem. Used 317’s for over 10 years and only problem was lack of a decent refurb and patch up and keep running policy. 317/6 shows what could be done.
 

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I remember using a GN 317 back in 2016 where I boarded, sat down, leaned forward and fell off the seat as it was loose.

Later on, I went to the loo and nearly tripped on some sort of ceiling panel/light fitting that was lying on the floor.

The icing on the cake was the entire toilet seat being detached from the toilet, so I sat down and that proceeded to slide all over the place!

I think that was the most comically bad train I've used.
Bad train or bad maintenance? There is a major difference.
 

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Bad train or bad maintenance? There is a major difference.
That's why this thread to me is far too broad

Just because a train is old and left to rot (as often happens with stock about to be replaced where the replacement stock is late) or used on inappropriate services, doesn't make them bad trains.
 

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I love the Bakerloo line and will usually make a detour to include a Bakerloo trip whenever I'm using the tube.
It's a real Cinderella line, and I like the old school ambience on the stations and the tap tap tap of the traction control equipment. Last place to hear the old gearbox noises too.
I agree. The Bakerloo is the most characterful part of the tube network. Proper old school stock.
 

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That's why this thread to me is far too broad

Just because a train is old and left to rot (as often happens with stock about to be replaced where the replacement stock is late) or used on inappropriate services, doesn't make them bad trains.
Could almost say bad train or Northern...
 

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I love the Bakerloo line and will usually make a detour to include a Bakerloo trip whenever I'm using the tube.
It's a real Cinderella line, and I like the old school ambience on the stations and the tap tap tap of the traction control equipment. Last place to hear the old gearbox noises too.
I wouldn't want to commuter every day on the Bakerloo Line though
 

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Afraid can't agree a 165/166 is a much better train altogether. Doesn't mean it's suitable for Cardiff Portsmouth though!

The ones I've been in recently have been in a right state inside, though. There's loads of broken fittings and everything looks very worn.

334s, probably the least comfortable "modern" train out there, which in my mind is worse than being decrepit due to being old. It doesn't help that they tend to end up on longer routes too.

I really like the 334s, I think they're great - in the 2+2 seats, at least.
 
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