Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
You mean you can't get "Aaarnfnaarf" down South?? Well that's me staying up North forever!
Well, obviously you can buy rice and chips and do it yourself with some spare. But you do get funny looks if you order it!
You mean you can't get "Aaarnfnaarf" down South?? Well that's me staying up North forever!
Yes soft play centres and car boot sales have to close in Lancashire but can remain open in Liverpool though! Madness....but gyms can apparently stay open so out of the window goes the supposedly simple to understand tier system anyway!
Yes soft play centres have to close in Lancashire but can remain open in Liverpool though! Madness.
...but gyms can apparently stay open so out of the window goes the supposedly simple to understand tier system anyway!
So they're basically actually in tier 2½ then...?
The stupidity is the local sop. There should be 5 standard stages (1 = something like the summer, max group 30, 5 = full lockdown as per March or even stricter) and no local variation at all, with clear definitions of when they kick in and back out, either based on cases per 100,000 or based on percentage of hospital capacity used.
I've heard it described as "tier 2.9", and it's ridiculous.
Actual standardisation is needed.
To be fair to the system designers (not that I'm advocating all aspects of it) they did say from the start that tier three would have localised variations. One and two have standardised rules (not that it makes much difference since we all seem to be heading towards tier 3 anyway !).
Lancashire is moving to tier 3, with Johnson due to make a formal announcement shortly according to Sky and BBC News.
I hope the locktivists at the council are happy.
I know, though not having localised variations is essentially the whole point, and so the tiers become meaningless.
Indeed, although I feel that the tier 3 restrictions are more meaningless than most - given that their ineffectiveness has seemingly been acknowledged by the health experts.
Liverpool City Region
1. The businesses and services in this paragraph are restricted businesses and restricted services in those areas listed in Schedule 2 in relation to Liverpool City Region—
(a)betting shops and adult gaming centres;
(b)casinos;
(c)indoor gyms, fitness and dance studios;
(d)indoor sports facilities.
Lancashire
2.—(1) The businesses and services in this paragraph are restricted businesses and restricted services in those areas listed in Schedule 2 in relation to Lancashire—
(a)betting shops and adult gaming centres;
(b)casinos;
(c)bingo halls;
(d)soft play areas;
(e)car boot sales.
To be fair what Whitty said was that the base level 3 is meaningless, it only has meaning with locally added measures chosen from a menu (pick any 5, sort of thing).
I suppose that once you get beyond stoping households mixing indoors, the remaining measures are either chicken feed (in terms of effectiveness) or full lockdown.
The problem is perhaps more that people ignore that because it's difficult to enforce it bar having the Police go knocking randomly at doors, and there isn't a willingness to do that. Only "project fear" worked, but we're past that now.
Only other thing I think might work is a mandatory prison sentence.
Only other thing I think might work is a mandatory prison sentence.
There are non-mandatory prison sentences?
A dire performance from Boris on this afternoon's press conference. Looks very under the weather, and some very shifty answers - not on top of the brief at all, even by his standards.
Well, I can't see that getting very far either TBH.
Well, we're going to have to do something to stop people meeting in homes, as this is causing most of the problem.
Perhaps opening pubs and encouraging people to meet there, as they are COVID secure, would be better?
Well, we're going to have to do something to stop people meeting in homes, as this is causing most of the problem.
Perhaps opening pubs and encouraging people to meet there, as they are COVID secure, would be better?
Oh, this is preposterous. They went to the effort of producing extensive SIs for each level to 'standardise' and 'simplify' understanding of the law - which given the state the legislation had got into was a fairly good idea, whether you agree with the concept or not - and within *4 days* they're complicating it.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1131/regulation/3/made
So gyms are fine in Preston but not in Liverpool, but car boot sales are ok in Liverpool but not in Preston?
Every time you think it has got as ridiculous as possible, they find another level of stupidity.
It almost feels like they're making a hash of it on purpose, to put people off the idea of restrictions. If it wasn't that I don't think Bojo is such an astute political thinker, I'd seriously consider it as an idea.
I think this is akin to trying to push back an incoming tide. We need to accept that people just aren't complying with these sorts of measures. Allow people to meet up in pubs and no matter how "Covid secure" they claim to be people are going to mix, especially where alcohol is involved. Close the pubs and people will simply meet in homes, and even if we decide to make it illegal with the risk of harsh fines there simply aren't the police resources to enforce it, plus it introduces snitching which leaves a long-term negative legacy which we could do without. Even during the last lockdown this mixing was clearly happening, which may well have contributed to it taking quite a time for infection rates to drop down.
Especially now this has been going on for so long, people are going to be people, and there's probably not a lot that can be done about that.
It almost feels like they're making a hash of it on purpose, to put people off the idea of restrictions. If it wasn't that I don't think Bojo is such an astute political thinker, I'd seriously consider it as an idea.
Yes soft play centres and car boot sales have to close in Lancashire but can remain open in Liverpool though! Madness.
So they're basically actually in tier 2½ then...?
Indeed, although I feel that the tier 3 restrictions are more meaningless than most - given that their ineffectiveness has seemingly been acknowledged by the health experts.
Oh, this is preposterous. They went to the effort of producing extensive SIs for each level to 'standardise' and 'simplify' understanding of the law - which given the state the legislation had got into was a fairly good idea, whether you agree with the concept or not - and within *4 days* they're complicating it.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1131/regulation/3/made
So gyms are fine in Preston but not in Liverpool, but car boot sales are ok in Liverpool but not in Preston?
Every time you think it has got as ridiculous as possible, they find another level of stupidity.
A dire performance from Boris on this afternoon's press conference. Looks very under the weather, and some very shifty answers - not on top of the brief at all, even by his standards.
Perhaps we need a coalition to address Covid, the three tiers and whatever evolves next. Then let the Tories carry on with Brexit ?.
You cannot negotiate with a virus......
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No, but the upside is that it doesn't change its approach based on what it hears you say.
you are saying no bluff calling then.
Um - just a mask then
Croydon goes Tier-2 tonight. This means half the population of the UK are under some tier or more stringent.
Croydon goes Tier-2 tonight.