Goldfish62
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That looks very good!
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Rode a couple of these units the other day - they certainly get off the mark quickly. Now I know for sure they can do STP-LTN in a shade under 22 minutes even when checked somewhat by a Thameslink service switching at Harpenden Jn; could be worth sub-21 with a clear run (unchecked Meridians, in comparison, went sub-20).
Did you scan the QR code on the poster? It may have information that's currently not publicly available elsewhere (I've tried exploring the EMR site, on which some pages are still out of date following the recent timetable change).
weastebusdepot
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The ticket gates are operational all the time so where do you get that idea?
edwin_m
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Not been travelling since Covid, but when I did it was quite common, especially at peak time, for people to be let onto the platform only a few minutes before departure. This may have been when the inward working was late, but it would have got people onto the train more quickly if they had been able to wait on the platform. They certainly kept the ticket gates locked unless they were actively boarding a train.
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The ticket barriers are always operational but the platforms aren’t announced and displayed on screens until a few minutes before departure, similar to what is described as the ‘Euston scrum’
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Best 0 to 60mph acceleration recorded was 44s for both. Never timed a 379 to 100mph but the 387s (similar) get to 100mph in under 2.5min in a similar time to a 360. So virtually no difference
it goes to eastmidlandsrailway.com/our-fleet
As well as that, staff actively deter you from passing the barrier before the train is announced \ displayed. Even if your ticket has opened a gate and let you through, you will often be escorted back to wait. That has been the normal case ever since the MML platforms have been in their current state on rebuilding of STP.
One reason that performance is similar has less to do with how many kW big the motor are and or how heavy or full the unit is, but how much current they can draw. There is a default maximum that applies /almost/ everywhere***; most EMU have traction kit that could exceed this limit, so are capped, and the net effect is to equalise performance since they draw near the capped maximum while acclerating. Often the makers declared maximum acceleration rate is not attainable due to the cap.
*** yes there are some known weak current OLE routes e.g. Kings Lynn, Skipton, to name just two, but it is the very act of limiting the train size or the number of trains that allows that are running to maintain nominal performance
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Had a good hour and half or so at Kettering earlier. Seen 5 out of 6 diagrams. 3 were single sets (360113, 117, 103) with 2 doubles (360102+360116 and 360114 and 360115). Didn't stay long enough for other one but 16.46 Corby would be 8 carriages according to departure board. Staff friendly. I sat on seats at south end of platform 2. Staff asked if I was waiting for a train but said I was watching them. She was friendly and said take care and enjoy (and didn't tell me to wear a nasty mask too). 
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ROG STP
19/06 37611
Realtime Trains - 091X 1109 Wembley H.S. to Cricklewood South Sidings
21/06
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0410 Cricklewood Depot Exit Rd to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg)
19/06 37611
Realtime Trains - 091X 1109 Wembley H.S. to Cricklewood South Sidings
21/06
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0410 Cricklewood Depot Exit Rd to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg)
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Hoping this is for the start of their refurbishment, but could also be for repairs given how unreliable the fleet’s been recently…
Hairy Bear
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Should be for the refurbishment as heard rumour Arlington had the contract for it.
Heavy repairs are done at Northampton.
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Talking of Northampton, 360109 has been returned back to Cricklewood and 360120 has replaced it at Northampton
That’s great news - I’m guessing EMR have realised that they can’t keep the stock as they are for much longer. An overhaul is long overdue…
It is.
ROG’s class 47 “City of Truro” was in Cricklewood sidings earlier for the drag. That loco seems to get a lot of use in that part of the world, looks very smart!
Confirmed it’s for a refurb by an ROG driver - 37611 doing the honours in hauling 360109 to Eastleigh Monday.
Ethan1852
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Excellent news. Can not wait to see the finished result.
Here is the Path for the move - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03382/2021-06-21/detailed
Its 360121 and not sure about refurbishment i believe its paint only
weastebusdepot
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360121 could certainly benefit from a repaint. The white stripes have been scraped off and the First Great Eastern logos are visible in places.
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Eastleigh Works was where the SWR 450 and 444 fleets had their interior conversions, but the announced contract was with Siemens. It’s not really clear (to me at least) who the shop floor workforce were employed by, but I think sometimes Arlington are just providing the building.
BIB - it'll be down to when the contractor can do the scheduled work which will have been planned some months ago (Covid notwithstanding). So it won't be a capricious spur of the moment decision by EMR - that's not how large projects like this work.
Regardless of Covid, they were always planned to enter service in the same condition as when they left Greater Anglia…
Quite - but Covid may have reduced throughput at Eastleigh meaning the refurb is starting later than planned as other jobs have taken longer to complete.
Possibly - the units were originally due to enter service in December last year but got pushed back to May this year as a result of 1) Covid and 2) Greater Anglia’s 720 delays. IMO they should’ve at least done an LNR/SWR and made the interiors more suitable before pressing them into service as the way they currently are does not seem to be working well in EMR’s favour (apart from the HST withdrawal).
But to do such a refresh you need the materials, somebody to do it and somewhere to do it. All of this stuff is planned and scheduled. It isn't done ad-hoc. And all of the factors I mentioned will have been impacted by Covid, be it production of the materials, resources being available as other jobs will have been impacted / delayed.
Have you ever planned or scheduled a project? I'm guessing not, because if you had, you'd realise why your "why didn't they just do 'x' " is you suggesting something which is completely unviable.
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They could have offered reduced fares whist they are still fairly shoddy, suburban units!!
As if!!
As if!!
Yes but EMR had plenty of time before Covid to get all of this sorted… that’s what I was trying to say.
Also I’ll have you know, I organise projects on a daily basis so I will kindly ask you to keep your false assumptions out of this…
Except they didn't because the 360s were released late from GA due to late arrival and problems with their new stock. And for that reason alone EMR couldn't have scheduled any works on them - it's a bit like booking a builder to work on a house you're buying before you've exchanged contracts - if you do that there's a risk your builder won't be able to do the work if the completion gets delayed as it won't be your house, and potentially would have to reschedule you to several months later. And you might also be liable to penalty fees as well.
If you organise projects, you *ought* to understand all these factors, rather than glibly making comments and suggestions which your experience should tell you is unviable.