Class 707 to Southeastern Dates

[Juniper Driver]

707025 in City Beam noticed in Wimbledon Yard today waiting to go into the maintenance shed or wheel lathe.

 

[spark001uk]

707025 in City Beam noticed in Wimbledon Yard today waiting to go into the maintenance shed or wheel lathe.

Going by RTT, looks like the unit you saw may have actually been just leaving to go back to SE (5Z50, departed 1208). There was an arrival at Wim last Thursday from SE, could've been the inbound.

Edit: confirmed elsewhere by eyeball 707025 is indeed on 5Z50, en route to Slade Green.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Going by RTT, looks like the unit you saw may have actually been just leaving to go back to SE (5Z50, departed 1208). There was an arrival at Wim last Thursday from SE, could've been the inbound.

Edit: confirmed elsewhere by eyeball 707025 is indeed on 5Z50, en route to Slade Green.

Oh, sorry looked like it was lined up to go on the wheel lathe…Could have been going out of the Earlsfield exit, although I don't know the best way to Slade Green.

Never thought of the fact it would be on its way out from Wimbledon Depot.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Oh, sorry looked like it was lined up to go on the wheel lathe…Could have been going out of the Earlsfield exit, although I don't know the best way to Slade Green.

Never thought of the fact it would be on its way out from Wimbledon Depot.

The usual 707 to LSER from the park on a Friday night goes via East Putney to Waterloo which might have thrown you.

 

[swt_passenger]

Going by RTT, looks like the unit you saw may have actually been just leaving to go back to SE (5Z50, departed 1208). There was an arrival at Wim last Thursday from SE, could've been the inbound.

Edit: confirmed elsewhere by eyeball 707025 is indeed on 5Z50, en route to Slade Green.

Although RTT shows this as “operated by Southeastern” presumably someone else still drives the Waterloo via East Putney section?

 

[Juniper Driver]

The usual 707 to LSER from the park on a Friday night goes via East Putney to Waterloo which might have thrown you.

Ah thanks.

 

[Bigfoot]

Although RTT shows this as “operated by Southeastern” presumably someone else still drives the Waterloo via East Putney section?

An SWR pilot driver is hired by South Eastern for the moves.

 

[swt_passenger]

An SWR pilot driver is hired by South Eastern for the moves.

Thanks, makes a lot of sense, will SE still have a few drivers who were originally trained up for the diversions into Waterloo a few years ago, so they can cover the 2nd leg to the Eurostar curve themselves?

 

[43066]

Thanks, makes a lot of sense, will SE still have a few drivers who were originally trained up for the diversions into Waterloo a few years ago, so they can cover the 2nd leg to the Eurostar curve themselves?

Highly doubtful.

A few DMs/instructors were trained up to route conduct the services into the old Waterloo international, joining/leaving the trains at Denmark Hill.

The knowledge would have long since lapsed by now anyway; typically six months is enough for something to be removed from route cards if not driven in that time.

 

[Bigfoot]

Highly doubtful.

A few DMs/instructors were trained up to route conduct the services into the old Waterloo international, joining/leaving the trains at Denmark Hill.

The knowledge would have long since lapsed by now anyway; typically six months is enough for something to be removed from route cards if not driven in that time.

Unless that knowledge is kept up to date with route learning days, which is the more sensible answer. SE drive to Waterloo and then onto Wimbledon Park being piloted from wat to wim.

 

[Class 466]

The bit from Waterloo into Kent is driven by a Southeastern Driver as some have route knowledge currently.

 

[43066]

Unless that knowledge is kept up to date with route learning days, which is the more sensible answer. SE drive to Waterloo and then onto Wimbledon Park being piloted from wat to wim.

Except that there’s nothing going round the Eurostar curve in normal running is there?… So not sure what people would do with “route learning days”…

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Yeah, Southeastern do have a few drivers who sign the Nine Elms flyover.

They started route learning it so they could drive the 707 stock moves themselves and so that the 707 stock moves could go via Waterloo.

 

[pompeyfan]

Except that there’s nothing going round the Eurostar curve in normal running is there?… So not sure what people would do with “route learning days”…

I’d imagine it’s off of a forward facing camera.

 

[ComUtoR]

The bit from Waterloo into Kent is driven by a Southeastern Driver as some have route knowledge currently.

Is the right answer.

 

[swt_passenger]

I’d imagine it’s off of a forward facing camera.

I think the video had been linked in a previous thread about the SE diversions. Didn’t they only learn one platform back then?

 

[43066]

Is the right answer.

I think the video had been linked in a previous thread about the SE diversions. Didn’t they only learn one platform back then?

Thanks - hadn’t appreciated that had been retained. As well they have done so I suppose!

 

[Juniper Driver]

Except that there’s nothing going round the Eurostar curve in normal running is there?… So not sure what people would do with “route learning days”…

I haven't seen anything run round there in years.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

So is the expectation that the remaining 12 707's are sent over in August or will they progressively be transferred by August?

 

[43096]

So is the expectation that the remaining 12 707's are sent over in August or will they progressively be transferred by August?

The transfer of the 707s should be blocked until such time as sufficient 701s are in service. SWR’s need is by far the greater.

 

[Class 466]

So is the expectation that the remaining 12 707's are sent over in August or will they progressively be transferred by August?

All on hold now because of the 701 issues

 

[dorsetdesiro]

What if the 701 cluster-fook doesn't improve and the DfT, potentially embarrassing for them, could order for the remaining 707s to return to SWR?

Then to be possibly followed by a massive order for more new 707s for both SWR and SE?

Interesting times!

 

[Goldfish62]

All on hold now because of the 701 issues

Well that's a relief. Don't know how SWR would have coped if they went as scheduled.

 

[brad465]

What if the 701 cluster-fook doesn't improve and the DfT, potentially embarrassing for them, could order for the remaining 707s to return to SWR?

Then to be possibly followed by a massive order for more new 707s for both SWR and SE?

Interesting times!

SE would either have to bring the 465/2s back and somehow get them back into working order, or do without, or try and persuade Southern to keep the 377/5s a bit longer (although Southern have enough shortages themselves after the 455s left). I can't see more 707s being ordered, regardless who for, given the financial state of play.

 

[XAM2175]

All on hold now because of the 701 issues

My attention's been elsewhere of late so I apologise if I've missed anything, but has there been any sort of public release of information to this effect yet?

 

[Class 466]

My attention's been elsewhere of late so I apologise if I've missed anything, but has there been any sort of public release of information to this effect yet?

Nothing beyond what someone else posted further up. I imagine if they do stay beyond August, SWR will make a song and dance about it in a press release like it’s somehow a good thing.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

SE would either have to bring the 465/2s back and somehow get them back into working order, or do without, or try and persuade Southern to keep the 377/5s a bit longer (although Southern have enough shortages themselves after the 455s left). I can't see more 707s being ordered, regardless who for, given the financial state of play.

the suggestion on other threads was 707's unlocked the 377/5's to return to Southern allowing the 313's to be withdrawn so they may rollover into there 47th year.

 

[43102EMR]

the suggestion on other threads was 707's unlocked the 377/5's to return to Southern allowing the 313's to be withdrawn so they may rollover into there 47th year.

Apparently this is also dependent on the 465/2s being reactivated from their “warm” storage to release the /9s to cover Mainline routes again that would have otherwise been covered by a 375 or 377.

 

[Snow1964]

The transfer of the 707s should be blocked until such time as sufficient 701s are in service. SWR’s need is by far the greater.

But I thought they had all been transferred to SE in 2021, and those still with SWR were being leased back short term.

Doesn’t that rather make it SEs choice regarding extending their stay (presumably it would have been SWR choice if they were sub leasing them out).

I do rather wonder if SWR can dictate a block on transfers rather than politely beg for a postponement

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Apparently this is also dependent on the 465/2s being reactivated from their “warm” storage to release the /9s to cover Mainline routes again that would have otherwise been covered by a 375 or 377.

the 701 debacle has second order impacts all the over place along with a cost