Arguments could then be made for a 158/170 swap between EMR and Northern for fleet consistency, but that'd be moving rather far from 175s.
Ah great, so effectively they should split it at Piccadilly and send the Liv through to Victoria with TPE. Would 171s off Southern help?
Southern don't have any to give, and we're drifting quite far away now
You evidently aren’t in the loop on this ongoing subject so I’ll explain.
They also know I’m heavily involved in Northern planning, I put nothing in my bio as I wish to remain anonymous to what my actual role within the department is. Nobody needs to know that level of detail about me but I know a hell of a lot more on the subject on here then most and most people accept my explanations. Is it a coincidence that only 1 person constantly ignores these explanations or are they constantly just looking for a rise which I unfortunately keep falling for.
Like everything in life it’s a matter of trust. All I’ll say is that everything I’ve said about the fleet has happened and very little of that was in the public domain. The fact that said member has challenged me over this (that’s how I see it) means that I am no longer prepared to make that information available anymore to anyone.
I believe the last time the split was seriously considered, the two halves would have overlapped between Derby and Nottingham.Southern don't have any to give, and we're drifting quite far away now
You would also split it at Nottingham, Sheffield and/or Derby, not Manchester.
It's the SD section, that's the point.Southern don't have any to give, and we're drifting quite far away now
You would also split it at Nottingham, Sheffield and/or Derby, not Manchester.
Considering the person said Northern are looking at a tender for new units, and now there's a thread about a Northern tender for new units, I'd say people should trust what that person says, as they've proven themselves a reliable source.
That's fair enough, I just wanted to let you know how it came across to those who didn't know the situation.
It's just very, very strange how secretive Angel have been. There's never been such an "under-wraps" situation as this, surely
Chiltern would have seriously looked into the 175s on behalf of the DfT, whether they go there or not is unlikely to appear in the public domain for a while though the tender Chiltern put out suggests they'll carry on as usual till new stock arrives.
It's a commercial matter, they wouldn't make it public until contracts have been signed and both sides are happy for a press release. Same situation as the HSTs travelling to Mexico.
Don't let some forum membners who accuse you of making stuff up prevent you from revealing interesting bits and bobs.
Most companies, public or private do not want to or need to make every part of the decision making process public knowledge.That's fair enough, I just wanted to let you know how it came across to those who didn't know the situation.
It's just very, very strange how secretive Angel have been. There's never been such an "under-wraps" situation as this, surely
Scotrail don't need 100mph stock, they need 125mph intercity stock to replace their HSTs if anything.
Apparently the ScotRail HSTs are limited to 100mph.
Then why do they run 170s and 158s in place of HSTs when there aren't enough HSTs?
Probably not, but there is absolutely no way Scot Rail would take slow commuter stock, when they're likely to be stuck with them until 2030-2035 (according to the decarbonisation plan Transport Scotland have published) and there is the potential for future speed enhancements which would require stock with better acceleration than a 175.
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Except the 175s are not commuter trains a simple look at the interior shows that. They would probably make a good fit at scotrail to allow a cascade of the 158s to replace some 156s I think.
Thank you Neptune for the i for you've been able to provide in the past before it been spoilt sadly by 1 or two members.
It isn't at all. There's this thing called "commercial confidentiality". And trainspotters don't have a right to know what's going on, any more than anyone else.
They don't need 125mph stock. There is precisely no miles where ScotRail HSTs runs that are cleared for 125mph.
It's a moot point, see above about 125mph track where they run.
As above...
I think a more likely destination is somewhere like Worksop, followed by a one-way trip to Newport or Rotherham.
Why do you always feel the need to add contempt to your tone?
Why the hell would Scotrail want to do that when some 156s are being replaced with Barrhead/EK electrification, then Kilmarnock and Carlisle later on?
Scotrail replaced the 170s on the Intercity services for a reason, they are not quite suited for the calibre of Intercity.
Future proofing may be smart as the HST replacement stock will be running until the full electrics arrive in the decarbonisation plan.
It's a speculative suggestion they may wish to depending condition of the 156s and for the routes less likely to see electrification in the next few years
Agreed. Having travelled in 175s on a great many long journeys, they are fine comfortable trains for long distances. Their downside is the door arrangements can cause long dwell times when busy.
Not that that's a issue if replacing stock with end doors anyway.
True.
I agree they have a comfortable interior, but their low density seating makes them unsuitable for InterCity services.
