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Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency

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Don’t worry, he’s now hawking gold lamé Trump branded basketball-type trainers at $399 a pop. He’ll have the money in no time

Grifter’s gotta grift and all that
you can never be surprised with trump, but of course that is a real story! bold move to try to do it in highly democrat controlled Philadelphia (better known as the location of that infamous press conference)

 

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But a slow attrition by non political foes adds up to a lot of adversaries with home truths that the blind lovers of Trump will struggle to ignore..
The only danger is what happens when they realise that he's not the Messiah, but is in fact a very naughty boy?

Not that long ago I got into a discussion in a hostel common room with a Irish guy who was a Trump supporter.

I didn't go over the top, just pointed out repeatedly that the "financial genius" went bankrupt running a casino. After that, he went out, got drunk and came back after midnight and started seriously harassing the staff (to the point that he got kicked out).
 

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The only danger is what happens when they realise that he's not the Messiah, but is in fact a very naughty boy?

Not that long ago I got into a discussion in a hostel common room with a Irish guy who was a Trump supporter.

I didn't go over the top, just pointed out repeatedly that the "financial genius" went bankrupt running a casino. After that, he went out, got drunk and came back after midnight and started seriously harassing the staff (to the point that he got kicked out).
Oh yes I do worry that these court actions are just raising his credibility amongst certain types of less discerning voters, worse still the non-voters who take things into their own hands. I just hope that lots of small cuts are more indicative to people than one single (big) knock out blow. It is also a lot more appeals for him to win.
 

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I just hope that lots of small cuts are more indicative to people than one single (big) knock out blow. It is also a lot more appeals for him to win.
Oh, no doubt that is the case. But not everyone is going to handle leaving the MAGA cult the same.

Some will have the sense of self to be able to deal with it and reestablish connections and relationships based in our reality. But some may see it as just another betrayal and decide that they won't go with a whimper, but a Second Amendment bang.
 

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Oh, no doubt that is the case. But not everyone is going to handle leaving the MAGA cult the same.

Some will have the sense of self to be able to deal with it and reestablish connections and relationships based in our reality. But some may see it as just another betrayal and decide that they won't go with a whimper, but a Second Amendment bang.
Your right. Storming the Capitol is all the proof we need of how these minds work.
 

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Me too!! Mind you, there's probably nothing in the vastly over-rated American Constitution stopping a corpse becoming President.<(
I can see his cult demanding he be the Eternal President or something, similar to how Kim Il-Sung is seen in North Korea.
 

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I am pinning my hopes on death (so to speak) by a thousand cuts. Lots of small law suits with smaller fines etc adding up to a lot of damage to Trump. One big killer shot is going to create a lot of sympathy and conspiracy theories. But a slow attrition by non political foes adds up to a lot of adversaries with home truths that the blind lovers of Trump will struggle to ignore..
This is what I think will happen. Money and estate was Trump's key to power, as these wain so will his support. And by support I don't necessarily mean his core supporters out in the red states buying his NFTs and tacky trainers, but the rich and powerful supports who keep him in place as a useful idiot will quickly throw him under the bus.
 

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The GOP are terrified of Trump and his supporters, which is why they all support him in public. They must all be praying something happens to him to free them of his spell.

I also hope that at some point the Republicans will get the courage to turn on Trump, if the cases mount up. I know everyone says he could be President from jail, but that would be absolutely ridiculous.
 

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The GOP are terrified of Trump and his supporters, which is why they all support him in public. They must all be praying something happens to him to free them of his spell.

I also hope that at some point the Republicans will get the courage to turn on Trump, if the cases mount up. I know everyone says he could be President from jail, but that would be absolutely ridiculous.

In the last couple of days I saw something, possibly only a headline, somewhere saying that the rich Republican-inclined supporters are drifting back to him. I presume that they think he is going to be the candidate and has a reasonable chance of winning, so they want to cuddle up to him. It is not about anything except their money.

Possibly the only remaining chance is that his increasingly odd behaviour will bring out the soft-Democrat and swing voters to vote for Biden (or whoever) and keep the soft-Republicans at home. In my opinion Trump’s behaviour is slowly becoming even less rational than it was before: the suggestion that he may be in the early stages of dementia are becoming more and more plausible.
 

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In the last couple of days I saw something, possibly only a headline, somewhere saying that the rich Republican-inclined supporters are drifting back to him. I presume that they think he is going to be the candidate and has a reasonable chance of winning, so they want to cuddle up to him. It is not about anything except their money.

Possibly the only remaining chance is that his increasingly odd behaviour will bring out the soft-Democrat and swing voters to vote for Biden (or whoever) and keep the soft-Republicans at home. In my opinion Trump’s behaviour is slowly becoming even less rational than it was before: the suggestion that he may be in the early stages of dementia are becoming more and more plausible.
I think if Trump is declining mentally it could equally be the pressure of all the home truths he has been evading catching up with him. I think it will be a quite dramatic decline when it becomes obvious. Of course his loyal supporters will say it was all the opposition ganging up on him. A bit like Hitler at the end blaming those around him for letting him down.

Biden of course is not 100% but i would say he is under plenty of pressure - he is running the US after all. Some of his stumbling speech can be put down to jet lag. He of course has a well controlled stammer which will come out occasionally and is not an illness or deficiency - just a feature.
 

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I wonder if some of his supporters will see his inflation of his wealth the way some men inflate their "size" to try and impress women, basically lots of people must do it so it's not an issue.
 

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Is that you speaking from first hand experience there? :)
Ha!, nope.
There was a great Top Gear segment once when they were talking about how a flashy car is to make up for lack of size, of course they made comparisons to the cars they had come down in, the joke was on Jeremy and Richard as James had come down in his Fiat Panda!
 

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Ha!, nope.
There was a great Top Gear segment once when they were talking about how a flashy car is to make up for lack of size, of course they made comparisons to the cars they had come down in, the joke was on Jeremy and Richard as James had come down in his Fiat Panda!
My brother had a similar experience. As a very qualified self employed engineer he had regular meetings with some big-wigs from the American aviation industry re. air-to-air refueling systems. One day the car park was filling with the usual very exotic machinery when he arrived.

His hobby was car restoration and he had just completed a 2CV so he took it along for a run. Several of the Americans looked at the car and said 'we are paying you £lots and lots aren't we?" "yep'" says my brother. "So what's with the kiddie car? "Well" says bro "fortunately I have a massive penis"

He said it was a real tumbleweed moment.

Not a titter.

He discovered the Americans have a different culture from the Brits that day. :lol:

He was offered a job in the States at the end of the contract but couldn't face it. Turned them down flat after several similar humour clashes.
 

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Don’t worry, he’s now hawking gold lamé Trump branded basketball-type trainers at $399 a pop. He’ll have the money in no time

Grifter’s gotta grift and all that
I've just seen the pictures of said trainers, my aesthetic expectations were very low to start off with but they look even worse than I imagined, they're truly hideous.
 

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I've just seen the pictures of said trainers, my aesthetic expectations were very low to start off with but they look even worse than I imagined, they're truly hideous.
But the trainers match Trumps hair, and tie ;).

Dodgey garment salesman o_O.
 

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I think it becomes a question of willingness. If the US declined to renew the agreement (it's up for renewal this year in fact) then we would be faced with the decision as to whether we wished to maintain the missiles on our own or not. I think we could do it but the costs would be significant compared to the present sharing arrangement where we piggyback off the US. For instance France spends in the region of 12.5% of it's defence budget on maintaining the nuclear deterrent (though they do maintain a limited air launched capability which we ditched in the 1990s) whilst we spend in the region of 6% of our defence budget on the nuclear deterrent. We were to have to pick up the full costs of maintaining and modernising the Trident missiles you can assume that the costs would increase to more in line with France (if not more seeing as they have a well established missile programme!). With consequent implications for our wider defence posture.
On theother hand, that money on building/maintaining our own deterrent would be staying in our economy, rather than going to the US.
 

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Yes. But he may find issues getting $1bn for it. He even admitted in some of the hearings that the valuation was based on what he thought it was worth as he wasn't going to sell it, so getting an actual valuation wasn't necessary.

There's significant restrictions on what can be done with the mar-a-largo property, which means few (informed persons) believe it could actually be worth what he says. Even if he got a donor to bail him out because he's Trump, they'd likely be just setting themselves up for a multi million loss.
 

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Alabama has gone with such a controversial policy that Trump has taken the same side as his opponents and spoken out against it:


Donald Trump has said he supports the availability of IVF treatment, joining a growing number of Republicans seeking to distance themselves from an Alabama court ruling on the issue.
The state's top court ruled last week that frozen embryos have the same rights as children and people can be held liable for destroying them.
At least three clinics paused IVF treatment in the wake of the ruling.
On Friday, Mr Trump called on lawmakers to find "an immediate solution".
"We want to make it easier for mothers and fathers to have babies, not harder! That includes supporting the availability of fertility treatments like IVF in every State in America," the former president wrote on his Truth Social platform.
"[Like] the VAST MAJORITY of Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, and Pro-Life Americans, I strongly support the availability of IVF for couples who are trying to have a precious baby," he added.
His comments were his first on the issue, and signalled his opposition to a ruling which some Republicans fear could harm them electorally and hinder plans to win back suburban women as well as swing voters.
Mr Trump is the front-runner to win the Republican nomination for November's election and arguably the leading voice in the party.
In a further sign of the party's efforts to distance itself from the Alabama ruling, the National Republican Senate Committee, which helps members get elected to Congress, sent out a memo to candidates on Friday which directed them to express support for IVF and "campaign on increasing access" to the treatment.
"There are zero Republican Senate candidates who support efforts to restrict access to fertility treatments," the committee's executive director, Jason Thielman, wrote in the memo which was obtained by the BBC's US partner CBS.
Other Republicans, including Senate candidates such as Kari Lake in Arizona, came out to support access to IVF on Friday.
While the Alabama ruling does not ban or restrict IVF, several medical providers in the state cited fears of legal repercussions as they paused fertility services in recent days.
It was made by the state's Supreme Court, and all of its justices are Republican.
Democrats are already depicting the Alabama case as what they see as a portent of further assaults on women's rights if their rivals make headway in the coming general election.
Mr Biden said in a post on X, formerly Twitter, that the Alabama decision was only possible because of the 2022 ruling by the US Supreme Court - which has three Trump appointees - to nullify abortion rights.
While many conservatives celebrated the end of Roe v Wade, it proved a potent get-out-the-vote motivator for Democrats and a messaging nightmare for Republicans.

To put into context how messed up Alabama can be, the Top gear trio visited literal war zones on their travels, but Alabama was the closest they came to being killed.
 

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I can believe just about any madness happening in Alabama. As Tom Lehrer rounded off his 1965 song about nuclear proliferation:

We’ll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb.
 

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