But would that work for reservations?
“Ah yeah, erm, we underordered on white paint”
This isn't going to resolve any sorts of overcrowding issues at all on this route - usually, 1st Class is underused whereas Standard Class is fully used (and pre-pandemic, was overcrowded on some services). So adding more 1st Class will do virtually nothing to resolve this.222104 now out in traffic with 60441 added, and not far off half the train as first class
Photo shows the mish mash of EMR liveries.
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Has EMR resumed seat reservations or is it still a free for all?
Reservations are in operation, except on booked 180 turns.
Couldn't agree more! We was on the 16.35 St Pan to Nott after Kettering. Full in std but very empty in first. All this reforming has done is worsened the ratio of 1st to std seats per train. A better idea would have been to keep the 7 cars as such but declassify one whole first class coach and on the 5 cars reduce the first class to 1/3 of one coach like the 222/1 were.
Isn't the objective to try and make the 4-car 222/1s less awkward to diagram? The only way to do that was to remove coaches from the 7-car units.
It certainly is the objective - in order that the transition to 810s is as smooth as possible. I think it’s a case of short term pain for long term gain - the wild First-to-Standard ratio is the consequence; but, relatively speaking, there isn’t a long time to go until the 810s come in to service.
Let's not forget the words which were trotted out when some eyebrows were raised at the 810s being ordered as 5-car sets:
I swear I'm getting de ja vu.....
This is moving into speculative territory, but I’m hoping that MML electrification + electric intercity units will mitigate this…
It looks as though this has happened as well in all of Coach C (the composite coach), and a portion of coach D, it then results in the standard/first ratio being as close as possible to the other 5 car units
A hand written bit of paper? How unprofessional can they get?
I think that’s already been realised, certainly amongst our community (and also discussed on WNXX) - the rumour mill has it that the 180s are staying a little longer to cover a shortfall in 810 stock.
Overall yes, but in just Standard Class though the 810s have more seats than a 7-car 222.
The 7 car 222's have three whole first class coaches so I'm not surprised that an 810 will have more seats!
That is a fault of deciding not to re-seat one Motor First when the 8-cars (ex-9) were dropped to 7. They just took out another Motor Standard and didn't touch the First Class provision.
To clarify: I mean a larger order of electric units to replace the Class 810s once electrification reaches South Yorkshire.
I presume the 810s are like the 800/802s, you can convert them to pure electrics or primarily electrics with rescue engine. You just remove the genset units.
That's true, but my point was more that if switching to purely electric operation, it would make more sense to convert the 810s than simply replace them given I understand that is a feature of the 80x design.
This is unbelievable. I assume this "notice" is temporary until they can at least have something printed. I appreciate (and fully agree) that having half the train being first class is ridiculous. But how many people are going to enter a first class carriage in the first place to work out that half of it is being used as standard class? Are there external signs?
It doesn’t take much to make the temporary signs look professional: 5 minutes with Word and a printer and it would be sorted.
That’s possibly the most ridiculous and hilarious signage I’ve ever seen. EMR are an absolute joke.
Ah I could have done worse with my handwriting - or even better, get my 3 year old daughter to try to write it
