danbarjon
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I wonder what they'll do with the recently wrapped 805s and 807s...
Nothing at all just remove the Avanti logoI wonder what they'll do with the recently wrapped 805s and 807s...
Fair enough, should be pretty simple as long as they don't completely alter the design of the liveries.Nothing at all just remove the Avanti logo
If you were planning to leave anyway, whether that's to retire or moving to another TOC/FOC, you might not take up the offer of TUPE and instead just leave on the day of handover. Saves working out your notice, particularly if your new employer is keen to have you onboard sooner rather than later.
I wonder what they'll do with the recently wrapped 805s and 807s...
Fair enough, should be pretty simple as long as they don't completely alter the design of the liveries.
Following the logic of rebranding the InterCity East Coast Mainline train services to LNER (London North Eastern Railway) after the Big Four railway company that served those routes from 1923 to 1947 they could use LMSR (London Midland and Scottish Railway) as the brand name for InterCity West Coast Mainline train services. We already have GWR (Great Western Railway) as the name of the train operator serving the routes served by the former Great Western Railway from 1923 to 1947.I wonder what branding they'll use... Maybe just InterCity West Coast?
Can't wait for WCML single-leg pricing.Excellent prices but what i was getting at is will such prices disappear if the WCML goes OLR.?
Let's get rid of all those pesky good-value West Mids PTE tickets too that are inconveniently valid on Avanti's services, bin them all off and replace with 50 or so tiers of Advance tickets so that we can do surge pricing without the constraints of a price cap. We can spend a few hundred k on some computer software to fiddle with the availabilities automatically for us and optimise yield.
For people involved in the higher management functions of Avanti, many may want to jump before being pushed. Fairly sure the OLR will be having a close look at where the problems arose from at all levels - middle right to the top of the FirstGroup management.Why on earth would they do that?
Whilst it should be gotten rid of, the Avanti brand could stay under DfT ownership, however it could be anything, even LN... oh ignore thatI wonder what branding they'll use... Maybe just InterCity West Coast?
I hope they don't change the livery, it's one of my favourites.Just re-wrap or paint them eventually. As long as no mention of the parent company or change of company name it doesn’t matter. Will be the usual cool off & changeover period anyway.
If you were planning to leave anyway, whether that's to retire or moving to another TOC/FOC, you might not take up the offer of TUPE and instead just leave on the day of handover. Saves working out your notice, particularly if your new employer is keen to have you onboard sooner rather than later.
I wonder what they'll do with the recently wrapped 805s and 807s...
Fair enough, should be pretty simple as long as they don't completely alter the design of the liveries.
Industrial relations are very sour at the moment.The time lines would have to absolutely align Other than that it makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Oh yes, we're talking single figures. But when you're already cancelling or altering half of the trains you run on certain routes on some days, you really can't afford to lose any more from that depot.Sure, but that's going to be a very small % of the overall workforce.
So the seats are Avanti dark blue ? Doesn’t signify anything really as they’re not intended for passenger service until Summer at the earliestInside the new Hitachis there is no Avanti branding at all. They are all in the same design and colours as the refurbished pendos but the Avanti name is nowhere to be seen.
And also, LNER only became the exception because of convenient timing where their takeover was at a time when the 800/801s had received no proper branding (bar a promotional VTEC Flowing Silk on one) and when the 225s were given an overhaul, and thus there was ample opportunity to apply their own branding and livery. The only difference I can see happening with Avanti is possibly removing the Avanti branding given the poor reputation applied to it, and even then that didn't occur with TransPennine Express who were in the same position when they were taken over by OLR.So far, Every TOC under the OLR (Barring LNER) has kept their original Livery & Logo's from prior to the OLR taking over. LNER is the only exception by creating a distinct livery for the Azuma's as well as reviving a Modern version of the Intercity Swallow for their IC 225 sets (Class 91's, Marks4s &DVTs)
I guess the difference is that TransPennine accurately describes the geographical scope of the operation.And also, LNER only became the exception because of convenient timing where their takeover was at a time when the 800/801s had received no proper branding (bar a promotional VTEC Flowing Silk on one) and when the 225s were given an overhaul, and thus there was ample opportunity to apply their own branding and livery. The only difference I can see happening with Avanti is possibly removing the Avanti branding given the poor reputation applied to it, and even then that didn't occur with TransPennine Express who were in the same position when they were taken over by OLR.
Likewise with LNER. They don't need to reinvent the wheel, just put a sticker that says 'InterCity West Coast' or something on the trains.I guess the difference is that TransPennine accurately describes the geographical scope of the operation.
In contrast, Avanti is simply a brand dreamt up by a marketing consultancy.
Likewise with LNER. They don't need to reinvent the wheel, just put a sticker that says 'InterCity West Coast' or something on the trains.
I suggest "Grand Junction Railway". It has the double merit in marketing terms of being historically relevant to a core part of the route whilst not giving the public any clue where it goes
Not really, TPEs Manchester to Scotland and Newcastle to Edinburgh services don't cross the pennines!!I guess the difference is that TransPennine accurately describes the geographical scope of the operation.
In contrast, Avanti is simply a brand dreamt up by a marketing consultancy.
Why not? It serves London, the Midlands, and Scotland. (Or Liverpool, Manchester, and the Smoke!)As for the LMSR suggestion - neither the old M nor the old S is valid for the ICWC/Avanti network.
None of the old Midland network is run by ICWC, and Scotland is out of bounds politically.
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The former are in the wrong franchise, and the latter used to run through from Liverpool.Not really, TPEs Manchester to Scotland and Newcastle to Edinburgh services don't cross the pennines!!
Indeed. And between them they represent a very small percentage of the overall TransPennine network.The former are in the wrong franchise, and the latter used to run through from Liverpool.