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BPN2022 said:
Nope, I like the 319s
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I think @AM9 may have been picking up on the mis-spelling of 'soldiering' which I assume is the word you were using. I've no idea what 'soldering' may be as a euphemism as they're querying mind!

I've no gen to answer your question, but I think it is a case of waiting for 323s to move from WMR to Northern, so it probably will be a good while yet.

LNWR 319s finishing soon would not surprise me, and I doubt there will be much if anything of a farewell.
 
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Techniquest said:
I think @AM9 may have been picking up on the mis-spelling of 'soldiering' which I assume is the word you were using. I've no idea what 'soldering' may be as a euphemism as they're querying mind!
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Joining metal components using another alloy, usually with a soldering iron. I was inferring that some might think 319 bodywork might need some remedial work. It was an attempt at a joke so maybe a ittle too niche. ;)
 
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Todays Railways UK have reported that 319429 and 319012 were sent to Sims Newport for scrapping last month
 
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Thought it would be best to create a thread for this rather than clog up other Thameslink related threads about the 319's heading to storage. This thread is also to keep track of both Thameslink and Northern 319's in storage

Sad to see these leaving the Thameslink network, but hopefully they'll all find a new home to go to.

The Class 319's are now all withdrawn from the Thameslink fleet and some withdrawn from the Northern fleet and are in storage in the following locations:
Stored at Long Marston
319001* (converted to Hydrogen FLEX demonstrator, renumbered 799001)
319362
319363
319365
319371
319376
319382
319454* (Porterbrook innovation train)
Stored at Wolverton
None

Stored at Brush Loughborough (for the 319 FLEX Programme)
None
Stored at Crewe
319441 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
Stored at Eastleigh Works
319011*(due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
319377 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
319380 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
Scrapped
319004
319012
319013
319216
319218
319363
319365
319374
319376
319429
319451
319453
319455
319460
Units still in Thameslink service
None
Units still in Northern service
319361
319366
319367
319368
319369
319370
319372
319375
319378
319379
319381
319383
319384
319385
319386

Units still in London Northwestern Railway service
319005
319214
319215
319217
319219
319220
319433
319457
Units marked with an asterisk (*) are non PRM compliant

I will update this list as more are placed into storage or locations of storage are changed

Last Updated: 20/08/2023
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Where is 319012 and 319429?
 
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Class455 said:
Thought it would be best to create a thread for this rather than clog up other Thameslink related threads about the 319's heading to storage. This thread is also to keep track of both Thameslink and Northern 319's in storage

Sad to see these leaving the Thameslink network, but hopefully they'll all find a new home to go to.

The Class 319's are now all withdrawn from the Thameslink fleet and some withdrawn from the Northern fleet and are in storage in the following locations:
Stored at Long Marston
319001* (converted to Hydrogen FLEX demonstrator, renumbered 799001)
319362
319363
319365
319371
319376
319382
319454* (Porterbrook innovation train)
Stored at Wolverton
None

Stored at Brush Loughborough (for the 319 FLEX Programme)
None
Stored at Crewe
319441 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
Stored at Eastleigh Works
319011*(due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
319377 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
319380 (due for Orion Logistics/ROG, to be converted to Class 768)
Scrapped
319004
319012
319013
319216
319218
319363
319365
319374
319376
319429
319451
319453
319455
319460
Units still in Thameslink service
None
Units still in Northern service
319361
319366
319367
319368
319369
319370
319372
319375
319378
319379
319381
319383
319384
319385
319386

Units still in London Northwestern Railway service
319005
319214
319215
319217
319219
319220
319433
319457
Units marked with an asterisk (*) are non PRM compliant

I will update this list as more are placed into storage or locations of storage are changed

Last Updated: 20/08/2023
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Former 319001/769001 is now scrapped I believe.
 
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TT-ONR-NRN said:
Former 319001/769001 is now scrapped I believe.
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It became 799001 as a prototype for the 769 project but yeah it was reported to have been moved to Sims in March 2023 so will already have been recycled into something else by now
 
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childwallblues said:
Whatever you say they came in 2015 to start the Lancashire Triangle electrification and have been good servants for Northern ever since. I personally will miss them.
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At last, a post that doesn't just pillory a 25 year old EMU for being a 25 year old EMU. That shows a certain ignorance of what commuter trains, and the 319s in particular, do. Before the 319s wete put on Chat Moss and Wigan services they worked continuously on both 3rd rail and OLE with full loads at speeds up to their maximum of 100mph. I have been on them many times under peak loads at those speeds on Thameslink services, and even on two Chat Moss trains (at almost 90mph), and they did what it said on the can.
Of course with their less than 8kw/tonne p/w ratio, they weren't as fast off the mark or at top speed as the 331s (11.2 kW/t) or 350s (11.4kW/t), but they performed as required, surpassing their requirements in the NW.
 
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At last, a post that doesn't just pillory a 25 year old EMU for being a 25 year old EMU. That shows a certain ignorance of what commuter trains, and the 319s in particular, do. Before the 319s wete put on Chat Moss and Wigan services they worked continuously on both 3rd rail and OLE with full loads at speeds up to their maximum of 100mph. I have been on them many times under peak loads at those speeds on Thameslink services, and even on two Chat Moss trains (at almost 90mph), and they did what it said on the can.
Of course with their less than 8kw/tonne p/w ratio, they weren't as fast off the mark or at top speed as the 331s (11.2 kW/t) or 350s (11.4kW/t), but they performed as required, surpassing their requirements in the NW.
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But what is going to happen to them now? It was quite a shock to hear that the Northern fleet is going off lease before the end of November, let alone the December timetable change and most of it’s electric services will suffer capacity reductions as a result.

I can’t quite work out when the majority of the 319s could be leaving or the associated scrap moves (or apparent 331 moves with the same loco) could be. What about a 319 farewell tour?
 
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But what is going to happen to them now? It was quite a shock to hear that the Northern fleet is going off lease before the end of November, let alone the December timetable change and most of it’s electric services will suffer capacity reductions as a result.

I can’t quite work out when the majority of the 319s could be leaving or the associated scrap moves (or apparent 331 moves with the same loco) could be. What about a 319 farewell tour?
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Presumably, most of them will become razor blades etc., with a few, like the Channel Tunnel pair preserved. A farewell tour would be subject to your friends in the north (Northern Rail), i.e. Northern Trains.
 
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AM9 said:
At last, a post that doesn't just pillory a 25 year old EMU for being a 25 year old EMU. That shows a certain ignorance of what commuter trains, and the 319s in particular, do. Before the 319s wete put on Chat Moss and Wigan services they worked continuously on both 3rd rail and OLE with full loads at speeds up to their maximum of 100mph. I have been on them many times under peak loads at those speeds on Thameslink services, and even on two Chat Moss trains (at almost 90mph), and they did what it said on the can.
Of course with their less than 8kw/tonne p/w ratio, they weren't as fast off the mark or at top speed as the 331s (11.2 kW/t) or 350s (11.4kW/t), but they performed as required, surpassing their requirements in the NW.
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I plan to do a few farewell runs on BPN-LIV services with some nice fast runs on the 8 mile downhill stretch of WCML between Balshaw Lane and Wigan North Western.
 
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The 319s being withdrawn saddens me, another part of railway history will soon be over. I really need to get up north and enjoy a couple of 319 rides before its too late!
 
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The 319s are getting old, their leases are ending, and there's 323s going spare soon.
Although the 323s won't be around just yet so there's going to be an an unfortunate decrease in 331/0 availability (any Blackpool N - Man Airport 331/1s might be more than a bit crowded)

I don't have much to say about the 319s, despite seeing them a lot in Wigan, I've only got evidence of being on one once and it was disappointing (2+3 seats, no USB ports, low seats) compared to the 331s.
 
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No question of the 319s getting old, and they are getting to the point of needing retirement, but for me personally they're comfortable and form plenty of nostalgia. The day the 319s finish will be a quieter, less exciting day on the railway.

I'm due to be out on Friday, on a trip I haven't got a clue where I'm going to end up, but it looks likely that Blackpool will have to feature on a 319!
 
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No question of the 319s getting old, and they are getting to the point of needing retirement, but for me personally they're comfortable and form plenty of nostalgia. The day the 319s finish will be a quieter, less exciting day on the railway.

I'm due to be out on Friday, on a trip I haven't got a clue where I'm going to end up, but it looks likely that Blackpool will have to feature on a 319!
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I’d rather have a 331 or in the future a 323 to Blackpool North, a lot more comfortable a ride
 
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