Class 321 storage/scrapping

[class321]

Yep, the siding next to platform 6

How many platforms are there?

 

[221101 Voyager]

How many platforms are there?

There are 6 at Colchester (aka Colchester North)

 

[typetwos]

57312 with 321355 & 321359 on 5Q76 08:52 CLACTNEMU to NEWPORTDK 23/04/21

 

[nat67]

Is 321321 still active, obviously a renatus machine but it will still go soon.

Thanks, Nat

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Is 321321 still active, obviously a renatus machine but it will still go soon.

Thanks, Nat

All Renatus units are active.

 

[nat67]

All Renatus units are active.

Thanks I still need 321321 for sight. Also is 321445 still active or in warm store?

 

[507021]

I'm intrigued by the large amount of second batch 321/3s (347-366) which have gone for dismantling compared to much the noticeably smaller numbers of first batch (401-430) and second batch (431-448) 321/4s which have also met their doom. Is it just a complete coincidence or is there actually a specific reason behind it?

Is 321321 still active, obviously a renatus machine but it will still go soon.

Thanks, Nat

I expect 321301-330 are the main candidates for Class 600 donor units.

 

[samuelmorris]

Am, I right in thinking the 321/4s are the ones with unit de-select? This may make them more flexible if GA want to continue to operate 12-car 321 formations, so preferable to keep over the non-PRM half of the 321/3 fleet.

 

[Bikeman78]

Am, I right in thinking the 321/4s are the ones with unit de-select? This may make them more flexible if GA want to continue to operate 12-car 321 formations, so preferable to keep over the non-PRM half of the 321/3 fleet.

Yes that makes a lot of sense.

 

[class321]

Am, I right in thinking the 321/4s are the ones with unit de-select? This may make them more flexible if GA want to continue to operate 12-car 321 formations, so preferable to keep over the non-PRM half of the 321/3 fleet.

What do you mean by unit deselect?

I'm intrigued by the large amount of second batch 321/3s (347-366) which have gone for dismantling compared to much the noticeably smaller numbers of first batch (401-430) and second batch (431-448) 321/4s which have also met their doom. Is it just a complete coincidence or is there actually a specific reason behind it?



I expect 321301-330 are the main candidates for Class 600 donor units.

/4s are slightly newer I think.

 

[samuelmorris]

What do you mean by unit deselect?


/4s are slightly newer I think.

321s do not have selective door operating, but some units (I believe only the /4s) were fitted with a means of locking out one whole unit. This is necessary for when 12-car formations run to Braintree (as they do when interworking with Southend) as 12 cars will not fit in the platforms on that branch. Thus, for 12-car peak-time diagrams that include Braintree, at least some of the units in the formation need to be 321/4s. They will therefore be more useful to have around than 321/3s.

 

[43096]

What do you mean by unit deselect?

It’s a limited form of Selective Door Opening that only allows a complete unit to be “de-selected” (ie doors on that unit don’t open).

 

[59CosG95]

Current scrap tally:
/3s: 321344-321360; 321363-364; 321366. (20 units)
/4s: 321422; 321425; 321435; 321437 (only TS no. 72017); 321442; 321446; 321448 (only MS no. 63104)

Hope that keeps things up to date!

 

[class321]

It’s a limited form of Selective Door Opening that only allows a complete unit to be “de-selected” (ie doors on that unit don’t open).

321s do not have selective door operating, but some units (I believe only the /4s) were fitted with a means of locking out one whole unit. This is necessary for when 12-car formations run to Braintree (as they do when interworking with Southend) as 12 cars will not fit in the platforms on that branch. Thus, for 12-car peak-time diagrams that include Braintree, at least some of the units in the formation need to be 321/4s. They will therefore be more useful to have around than 321/3s.

Oh thanks

Current scrap tally:
/3s: 321344-321360; 321363-364; 321366. (20 units)
/4s: 321422; 321425; 321435; 321437 (only TS no. 72017); 321442; 321446; 321448 (only MS no. 63104)

Hope that keeps things up to date!

 

[507021]

/4s are slightly newer I think.

You think? I thought the Class 321 was your favourite train in the entire galaxy?

Seriously though, the oldest 321/4s are only a year newer than the oldest 321/3s, so I'm not really sure that's going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

[class321]

You think? I thought the Class 321 was your favourite train in the entire galaxy?

Seriously though, the oldest 321/4s are only a year newer than the oldest 321/3s, so I'm not really sure that's going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.

It is . I guess it wouldn't but it could be a possibility why less /4's are being withdrawn. To be honest, I prefer the /4's over the /3's

Thanks I still need 321321 for sight. Also is 321445 still active or in warm store?

I have not seen 321445 anywhere at all for the last month or two, so I suspect it is either stored or warm stored.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

The /4s will have to go before the Renatus /3s though, because the Renatus and ex-Northern fleet are the only bins that can stay on beyond May.

 

[amwells]

Current scrap tally:
/3s: 321344-321360; 321363-364; 321366. (20 units)
/4s: 321422; 321425; 321435; 321437 (only TS no. 72017); 321442; 321446; 321448 (only MS no. 63104)

Hope that keeps things up to date!

I have the same except I also have 321438 went to Sims in Feb?

 

[warwickshire]

I have the same except I also have 321438 went to Sims in Feb?

It did with 321356 on the 19th February.

 

[class321]

I have the same except I also have 321438 went to Sims in Feb?

It did

 

[Trains66779]

How many unrefurbished (not Renatus) 321s does Greater Anglia currently have left in service at the moment please?

 

[class321]

How many unrefurbished (not Renatus) 321s does Greater Anglia currently have left in service at the moment please?

332
333
335
336
337
338
339
341
342
406
407
409
419
421 (Not been out recently)
423 (Last time I saw this was on the 1st)
424
427 (In service yesterday)
428
429
432
434
436
Total: 22
It could be lower.
The units in bold are unconfirmed

 

[samuelmorris]

If it's only non-Renatus then also don't forget that would include 901, 902, 903 and the five 322s. Alright, they aren't 321s, but functionally they may as well be.

 

[Class360/1]

I find it amazing how quickly they are being withdrawn- saw a 321 one week then the next week it was at the scrapyard

 

[Neptune]

I find it amazing how quickly they are being withdrawn- saw a 321 one week then the next week it was at the scrapyard

It only takes a second to withdraw a train.

 

[47444]

Current scrap tally:
/3s: 321344-321360; 321363-364; 321366. (20 units)
/4s: 321422; 321425; 321435; 321437 (only TS no. 72017); 321442; 321446; 321448 (only MS no. 63104)

Hope that keeps things up to date!

I have the same except I also have 321438 went to Sims in Feb?

I agree with the list for withdrawals, but don't have scrapyard destinations for: 321350, 321351, 321364, 321425, 72017 and 63104.

My notes say that 364 and 425 are still at Parkeston Quay.

However, it is highly possible that I have missed some scrap moves - can anyone help fill the gaps?

Thanks

 

[warwickshire]

I agree with the list for withdrawals, but don't have scrapyard destinations for: 321350, 321351, 321364, 321425, 72017 and 63104.

My notes say that 364 and 425 are still at Parkeston Quay.

However, it is highly possible that I have missed some scrap moves - can anyone help fill the gaps?

Thanks

364 and 425 went on the 26th March 2021.
However 350 and 351 went on the 05 February 2021

 

[javipena82]

I agree with the list for withdrawals, but don't have scrapyard destinations for: 321350, 321351, 321364, 321425

The four of them were sent to Newport, although I can't help with the exact dates.

 

[warwickshire]

332
333
335
336
337
338
339
341
342
406
407
409
419
421 (Not been out recently)
423 (Last time I saw this was on the 1st)
424
427 (In service yesterday)
428
429
432
434
436
Total: 22
It could be lower.
The units in bold are unconfirmed

421 was out last Friday just gone attached to 322482. 720s had a poor day back end off last week due to new trains not liking the sudden change in temperature from very cold to very warm.
421 was active even rode it to colchester before doubling back to shenfield to ride a extra afternoon unexpected ride on a pair off 315 due to 345 failure

 

[47444]

The four of them were sent to Newport, although I can't help with the exact dates.

Thanks