Many thanks JonathanH and Gulf1159. Are both these still 7-car - or has 345009 (the eastbound unit) had its additional cars added and is now a 9-car unit?
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kevin_roche
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To expand upon the earlier reply by Horizon22. When ETCS is installed on a train and the train has the capability to use other signalling systems too, it uses messages from the track-mounted balise to work out what signalling systems are available on any particular section of track. There is usually a first and second choice for safety reasons. The first choice is automatically selected.
In the Crossrail System, there are currently two non-ETCS systems available. ETCS refers to both of these as NTC (National Train Control). In the central tunnels, A version of Siemens Trainguard MT ( a wifi-based system) is used and called CBTC for short. On the East and West of the route, the TPWS signalling system applies. Just to add to the alphabet soup, when a train leaves the great western mainline at Stockley junction to go to the airport it briefly gets switched to ETCS L1 which allows the train to get a movement authority via a Balise from the signalling system before the conversation over GSM-R is set up. In Level 2, GSM-R is used to receive new movement authorities. GSM-R is cell phone like system which is used by ETCS L2 for communication and is a standard throughout most of the UK.
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Both will still be 7-car - movements of 9-car units go via the tunnel.
I can confirm that both 345009 and 345011 are 7 cars. Whether 345011 will be converted to a 9 car I don’t know
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18 is the unit in Ley Street Sidings at the back of Ilford Depot - almost certainly the one in this street view from March - seems to tally with being seen between two buildings when travelling from Stratford - it was reported as being there on the ukmodernemu group last week
I'd guess that 01 and 19 are at Ashfordby, rather than Worksop - there is a sighting of both from there on Locoscene in April - I can't find any evidence of a move.
Many thanks.18 is the unit in Ley Street Sidings at the back of Ilford Depot - almost certainly the one in this street view from March - seems to tally with being seen between two buildings when travelling from Stratford - it was reported as being there on the ukmodernemu group last week
I'd guess that 01 and 19 are at Ashfordby, rather than Worksop - there is a sighting of both from there on Locoscene in April - I can't find any evidence of a move.
I can confirm that both 345009 and 345011 are 7 cars. Whether 345011 will be converted to a 9 car I don’t know
Thanks JonathanH & Gulf1159 for confirming - I didn't like to assume!
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I meant to point you towards this presentation, but I could not find it last week.
It goes into a lot of detail for those that want a detailed look at how ETCS works on Crossrail.
L&SE Crossrail Signalling Presentations
Tom Godrey of Bombardier and Rory Mitchell of Crossrail present lectures on Crossrail Signalling & Crossrail Signalling Interfaces
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Does anyone know what has happened to Trial Running? There does not seem to be any activity in the core since last Thursday.
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Not sure Kevin. Was only planned for Tuesday and Wednesday this week but nothing so far today. Will be interesting to see if the three 9 car moves to Gidea Park happen later. They have activated the paths. Next trial running is booked for Sunday 1 August but that’s from Abbey Wood to Acton Main Line. Testing the transition on the westI meant to point you towards this presentation, but I could not find it last week.
It goes into a lot of detail for those that want a detailed look at how ETCS works on Crossrail.
L&SE Crossrail Signalling Presentations
Tom Godrey of Bombardier and Rory Mitchell of Crossrail present lectures on Crossrail Signalling & Crossrail Signalling Interfaces
27/Jul/2021
Does anyone know what has happened to Trial Running? There does not seem to be any activity in the core since last Thursday.
all three Old Oak depot to Gidea Park were cancelled
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Wednesday 26 May - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-345-progress.120221/page-138#post-5146540 - but there have been gaps during tunnel blockades since then.
Thank you for that.
There were two moves Ilford to OOC this week one yesterday and one today. Units involved were 345056 and 345008 respectively. No balancing moves the other way
there is another move just been added for a swap of units between Ilford and OOC tomorrow 29/07/21
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there is another move just been added for a swap of units between Ilford and OOC tomorrow 29/07/21
Realtime Trains - 570G 1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
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Realtime Trains - 505H 1658 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
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Trial running with 12 tph seems to have resumed today. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...21-08-02/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
Does anyone know what the reasons were for recent break in trial running?
Does anyone know what the reasons were for recent break in trial running?
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We were told planned system testing. Trial running will only be Monday to Wednesday this week.
Trains will commence stopping at Bond Street from 8th August 2021.
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Thank you.
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Nine car 345 054 was in service off Liverpool Street on Saturday; as far as I know this particular one has spent most of its time on tunnel testing in recent months.
I believe I saw unit 56 being dragged from OOC back to Ilford earlier.
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Are 001, 018, 019, 032, 041, 045, 060, 067 and 069 all still not in passenger service? 
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On Tuesday 03/08/2021 at 17:30 I noted 345041 at OOC, I think it was on its own in the siding nearest the canal. There were about half a dozen sidings beyond it that were empty then 345068. I could not perceive any other empty sidings. I might be mixed up and 068 might have been nearest to the canal instead. But I assume both might be grouped with or either side of units that are venturing out for service or tunnel testing.Are 001, 018, 019, 032, 041, 045, 060, 067 and 069 all still not in passenger service?
I have not seen any of the others lately. Not even in places that could be for tunnel testing.
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I have been informed by a very kind member with TOPS access that 045 is out today… I’m going out to get it hehe.
I have 060 ticked off as has been in passenger service.Are 001, 018, 019, 032, 041, 045, 060, 067 and 069 all still not in passenger service?
...and 045
Unreported units for passenger service should be 001, 018, 019, 032, 041, 050, 067, 069.
001 and 019 aren't in London
018 is at Ilford
032, 050, 069 were reported in this thread to have testing equipment fitted
which leaves 041 and 067 - do they also have special testing functions?
I noticed some centre cars at the side of the depot last Friday so presumably a unit has been lengthened this week.
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Be interested if anyone has seen 060 recently, when i was in London a fortnight ago there was some talk it had gone to the East side.
9-car units don't go permanently to the 'east side' as they need to return to Old Oak Depot on a cyclic basis. 060 was out west side on Wednesday morning but it is very likely it was east side for a cycle of three days work.
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I was at Ealing broadway on 23rd july . 345060 was in service. Was at paddington this monday did not see it.
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I’ve been on 050.
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