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They could. But easier to put one box in one coach to convert than to re-wire the entire fleet.
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Suppose so - although as presumably this would take the 3-phase supply from the adjacent power car and convert it, it would remove the resiliency of being able to supply ETS power from either power car.
 
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Suppose so - although as presumably this would take the 3-phase supply from the adjacent power car and convert it, it would remove the resiliency of being able to supply ETS power from either power car.
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Yes. And both power cars would have to run with ETS on as some power car auxiliaries run off the ETS.
 
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Yes. And both power cars would have to run with ETS on as some power car auxiliaries run off the ETS.
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A 3-phase cable run along the train at the same time as the 36-way might be an answer, allowing each power car to supply the other with ETS, and a switchable input to the converter equipment so that either could supply that?
 
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Hmm, the bit about the 6 power cars being reallocated to the GWR pool is particularly interesting, as I have heard from a fairly good source recently that precisely 6 power cars where to be converted shortly for use on the night riviera to replace the 57s. I discounted it at the time but this makes me wonder......
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Do you have any evidence to back all this up? Otherwise from looking at the next few conversations on to page 5 it's just another rumour or fantasy being created.
 
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Do you have any evidence to back all this up? Otherwise from looking at the next few conversations on to page 5 it's just another rumour or fantasy being created.
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Well, if they have been moved to their loco pool they must want them for something!
 
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4REP said:
Do you have any evidence to back all this up? Otherwise from looking at the next few conversations on to page 5 it's just another rumour or fantasy being created.
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No, as I clearly stated I have heard it second hand from a fairly good internal source within GWR engineering. Make of it what you will.
 
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irish_rail said:
No, as I clearly stated I have heard it second hand from a fairly good internal source within GWR engineering. Make of it what you will.
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Well I posted the information from WNXX that appeared on this thread on a group on social media and was told in one reply that there were (currently) no plans to send those listed PC back into traffic as working PCs, but they were going to have their power units and cooler groups taken out. :(
 
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What are the potential uses (if any) for back to back buffered power cars? Would they effectively be a locomotive, in a similar way to a pair of 20s? (I realise that 20s didn’t HAVE to be paired incidentally, I’m only using them as an example as they were usually paired nose to nose).
 
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What are the potential uses (if any) for back to back buffered power cars? Would they effectively be a locomotive, in a similar way to a pair of 20s? (I realise that 20s didn’t HAVE to be paired incidentally, I’m only using them as an example as they were usually paired nose to nose).
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Main issue is probably the gearing - they are designed for high speeds but not hauling any great weight.
 
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Ah ok thanks, I hadn’t followed developments to be honest.

A railtour using back to back buffered 43s and a rake of MK1s then? ;)
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I used to run Intercity Executive 43s top and tailing Intercity Mk1s on my model railway ten years ago :D
 
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Mentioned on WNXX this morning that one of the SCXL power cars at Eastleigh, 43480, is currently undergoing cosmetic attention, perhaps it's just having the bags under its eyes removed or maybe some sort of livery? what a RailAdventure this all is .......
 
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How lengthy would the process be to remove the buffers and make it original?
 
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I'm far from expert, but I think the reason nobody has tried it already, is the benefits of having buffers/standard drawgear etc in event of needing assistance, far outweigh the cosmetic or aerodynamic benefits of returning them to standard HST style.
 
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I first saw a buffered HST as a young boy in the early 90's and I remember being somewhat traumatised by the experience!

I'll make a dark confession; over the years they've grown on me and I actually think they look OK in some liveries....
 
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I know this probably isn't practical for a variety of reasons, but how about having them as rescue locos? If there are that many of them kicking around, then pair them up and place them strategically around the network for rescuing failed EMUs.

Or... put a 5 carriage 442 in between a pair of HST power cars and give 'em to GWR to supplement their Castle sets! (No, I am not being serious)

(Mods, could we please get the speculation posts moved into a new thread in the correct area?)
 
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Class 43 + Class 442 + Class 43 = Waterloo-Exeter bi-mode!!

Could be a way of disposing both types for further use rather than scrap? :)
 
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reddragon said:
Class 43 + Class 442 + Class 43 = Waterloo-Exeter bi-mode!!

Could be a way of disposing both types for further use rather than scrap?
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This has been done to death many times, the 442s are going for scrap as are a large number of the unwanted power cars, I think we've had enough highly expensive bodge job/re-use ideas already
 
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reddragon said:
Class 43 + Class 442 + Class 43 = Waterloo-Exeter bi-mode!!

Could be a way of disposing both types for further use rather than scrap?
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Please can we stop this 442 nonsense. It’s tiresome and pointless. They are going one place only: scrap.
 
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reddragon said:
No sense of humour this morning clearly!!
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Given that you didn’t put any smileys on it, how are we supposed to know that?

Besides, to quote The Smiths, “That joke isn’t funny anymore.”
 
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