Class 43 disposals

[TrainTrackJack]

Two (43296 and 43308) were acquired only as spare parts donors, so I put them in that list instead. The operational fleet with Rail Adventure will just be the six 43/4s.

There is an option for 43296 and 43308 to be rebuilt with conventional drawgear if demand increases.

 

[DB]

The list is kindly compiled by one of our volunteers whenever they have time and I normally upload it within a few hours of the update landing! It's normally updated every 1-2 months and things aren't changing that quickly nowadays!

Just a suggestion, but would it be possible to add details of those deregistered / scrapped to that list, together with location (or location / date of scrapping if they no longer exist)?

Not a significant number at the moment, but will grow in due course!

 

[TrainTrackJack]

Just a suggestion, but would it be possible to add details of those deregistered / scrapped to that list, together with location (or location / date of scrapping if they no longer exist)?

Not a significant number at the moment, but will grow in due course!

43173 scrapped Serco Shoeburyness Works September 2003
43011 scrapped Crewe Works June 2002
43019 scrapped SIMS Beeston July 2005
43140 scrapped JR Adams Glasgow May 2021
Note that SIMS has only disposed of one power car to date... this is sure to change soon.

 

[DB]

43173 scrapped Serco Shoeburyness Works September 2003
43011 scrapped Crewe Works June 2002
43019 scrapped SIMS Beeston July 2005
43140 scrapped JR Adams Glasgow May 2021
Note that SIMS has only disposed of one power car to date... this is sure to change soon.

Cheers - would be useful if these were added to the 125 group list, along with 43300 (presumably not on there due to being deregistered, although it still exists).

p.s., also, for completeness:

43001 (41002) scrapped Booths, Rotherham Decemeber 1990

 

[Liam L]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K02161/2021-07-13/detailed Any ideas if this is another 43 run tomorrow?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

43173 scrapped Serco Shoeburyness Works September 2003
43011 scrapped Crewe Works June 2002
43019 scrapped SIMS Beeston July 2005
43140 scrapped JR Adams Glasgow May 2021.

Surprised how quick 019 and 140 have been disposed of considering 011 languished at Crewe for 3 years after its altercation with 165119 while 173 survived for 6 years following its involvement at Southall.

Interesting to note 018 the survivor from Ladbroke Grove is preserved at Crewe

 

[TrainTrackJack]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K02161/2021-07-13/detailed Any ideas if this is another 43 run tomorrow?

Yes, its the remaining EMR VP185 PCs going back to store there, plus a couple of coaches.

 

[matt]

Looks like it will run as a loco has arrived from Derby.

 

[warwickshire]

Looks like it will run as a loco has arrived from Derby.

Loco is 37608 43061 43071 43079 and barrier 6344 through droitwich Spa 30 minutes early.
No coaches 2 first great Western livery blue and one east Midlands trains livery.
Nl58 is still at Barton ot Wetmore.
However does anyone have a list off what needs to be moved still from burton ot Wetmore to long marston
43 power car wise.

 

[warwickshire]

Yes, its the remaining EMR VP185 PCs going back to store there, plus a couple of coaches.

Only barrier 6344 no coaches.
Nl58 still remains at burton Wetmore

 

[3973EXL]

Surprised how quick 019 and 140 have been disposed of considering 011 languished at Crewe for 3 years after its altercation with 165119 .

165115

5Q94 Burton - L Marston reported elsewhere as 37608 barrier 43071 43061 43079

 

[AJH2020]

165115

5Q94 Burton - L Marston reported elsewhere as 37608 barrier 43071 43061 43079

Forgive my ignorance but are the Long Marston power cars being stored there for potential re-use in the future?

Likewise are they visible from roads/footpaths currently? I don’t know the site but assume it’s very secure. Many thanks

 

[warwickshire]

Forgive my ignorance but are the Long Marston power cars being stored there for potential re-use in the future?

Likewise are they visible from roads/footpaths currently? I don’t know the site but assume it’s very secure. Many thanks

Yes it is.
Security and part off an old mod secure airfield.
Very close to my home.

 

[AJH2020]

Yes it is.
Security and part off an old mod secure airfield.
Very close to my home.

Thank you, I may try and call in to have a look.

 

[D365]

If you can’t see them from the public road along the north perimeter, you won’t see them at all.

 

[AJH2020]

If you can’t see them from the public road along the north perimeter, you won’t see them at all.

Thank you

 

[Atomix330]

Tangential - but are the Crewe Heritage Centre in line for some more ex-HST stock? Powercars or coaches? Cryptic tweets about March 1978 and #itscominghome on Intercity 125 yellow and blue...

 

[nat67]

43081 is going to be moving to Crewe Heritage centre which will be there second power car. 43081 was the 8000th loco built at Crewe so has a special place in railway history around Crewe at least.

 

[43055]

43081 has passed into preservation joining 43018 at Crewe Heritage Centre. It is on the cover of the September Rail Express which has been posted on the UK HST group on Facebook.

 

[Phil Scott]

There’s a very proportion of the preserved HSTs that are EMT/EMR, with four examples, versus three FGW/GWR and one VTEC (which also spent time on EMR).

Are there any other groups/railways with public plans to preserve power cars?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

4 VP185 HSTs compared to 4 MTU HSTs.....

Mind at least 3 are static displays and may never work again, the 2 at Crewe and one at Margate. I suspect the HST group having VP185s might make it easier for them to drop Valentas in but I think it was more down to the keenness of EMT and porterbrook after the NRM spat their dummy out over 41001

 

[43096]

I suspect the HST group having VP185s might make it easier for them to drop Valentas in

VP to Valenta conversion - which has been done before - is easier than MTU to Valenta.

but I think it was more down to the keenness of EMT and porterbrook after the NRM spat their dummy out over 41001

Not really anything to do with EMT. Discussions with Porterbrook about power cars had been going on well before 41001 was recalled by the NRM. Indeed, the relationship between 125 Group and Porterbrook has been built over many, many years.

 

[Wyrleybart]

VP to Valenta conversion - which has been done before - is easier than MTU to Valenta.

That is interesting "43096". Can you quote examples please ? I was under the impression that once a Valenta was replaced by a VP185, there was no going back to Valenta, although obviously it was and is technically possible..

Thanks

 

[43 302]

That is interesting "43096". Can you quote examples please ? I was under the impression that once a Valenta was replaced by a VP185, there was no going back to Valenta, although obviously it was and is technically possible..

Thanks

43167 - Valenta, Mirless MB190, VP185, Valenta, MTU

 

[43096]

That is interesting "43096". Can you quote examples please ? I was under the impression that once a Valenta was replaced by a VP185, there was no going back to Valenta, although obviously it was and is technically possible..

Thanks

It's only been done once: 43167 was converted to VP185 (from Mirrlees MB190) in 1995/96, and was then converted back to a Valenta in August 2001. This was because it was the only GNER power car with a VP185, so it made sense to standardise the fleet as all Valenta. The surplus VP185 was fitted into FGW's 43165.

 

[43096]

43170 - Valenta, Mirless MB190, VP185, Valenta, MTU

Nope. It was 43167.

 

[Wyrleybart]

43170 - Valenta, Mirless MB190, VP185, Valenta, MTU

Aha. I didn't realise it reverted to Valenta after the VP185.
Did the other three MB190s get reengined with VP185s too ?
Funny how some of us tend to think of the VP185 as an MML power unit.

Thanks

 

[nat67]

43185 has left Haymarket on a low loader today, destination is unknown though.

 

[DBS92042]

43185 has left Haymarket on a low loader today, destination is unknown though.

It doesn't look like much more than the shell is left. https://twitter.com/Stellotape56/status/1431176677762142209/photo/1

 

[SC318250]

Wnxx reported it is Kilmarnock bound